Re: Important features for editors

2013-07-08 Thread Skip Montanaro
> Wasn't it C-x ( ? From the manual > >In addition to the and commands described above, Emacs > also supports an older set of key bindings for defining and executing > keyboard macros. To begin a macro definition, type `C-x (' > (`kmacro-start-macro'); as with , a prefix argument appends th

Re: Important features for editors

2013-07-08 Thread Sivaram Neelakantan
On Mon, Jul 08 2013,Skip Montanaro wrote: >>> I couldn't live without the keyboard macro record and playback. >> >> I used to work with a programmer who couldn't live without his insulin >> injections. > > Hyperbole aside, two of my most common "crutches" are Emacs macros and > bash history. Give

Re: Important features for editors

2013-07-08 Thread Skip Montanaro
>> I couldn't live without the keyboard macro record and playback. > > I used to work with a programmer who couldn't live without his insulin > injections. Hyperbole aside, two of my most common "crutches" are Emacs macros and bash history. Given how useful macros are, I find it very odd that rec

Re: Important features for editors

2013-07-07 Thread Steven D'Aprano
On Sun, 07 Jul 2013 23:16:39 -0700, jussij wrote: > I couldn't live without the keyboard macro record and playback. I used to work with a programmer who couldn't live without his insulin injections. -- Steven -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Important features for editors

2013-07-07 Thread jussij
On Thursday, July 4, 2013 5:32:59 PM UTC+10, cutems93 wrote: > I am researching on editors for my own reference. On the Windows platform there is the Zeus editor: http://www.zeusedit.com/python.html It does the standard syntax highlighting, code folding and smarting indent etc etc. It's also

Re: Important features for editors

2013-07-06 Thread Eric S. Johansson
On Fri, 05 Jul 2013 23:13:24 -0400, Rustom Mody wrote:Yes...The fact that rms has crippling RSI should indicate that emacs' ergonomics is not right. As someone crippled by Emacs ( actual cause not known), I should also point out that RMS, instead of doing the responsible thing and using speech re

Re: Important features for editors

2013-07-06 Thread Rustom Mody
On Sat, Jul 6, 2013 at 12:22 PM, Eric S. Johansson wrote: > ** > On Fri, 05 Jul 2013 23:13:24 -0400, Rustom Mody > wrote: > > Yes... > The fact that rms has crippling RSI should indicate that emacs' ergonomics > is not right. > > > > As someone crippled by Emacs ( actual cause not known), I shou

Re: Important features for editors

2013-07-05 Thread Joshua Landau
On 6 July 2013 06:19, rusi wrote: > On Saturday, July 6, 2013 10:05:14 AM UTC+5:30, Joshua Landau wrote: >> I never got why Vi doesn't support Ctrl-C by default -- it's not like >> it's a used key-combination and it would have helped me so many times >> when I was younger. > > Dunno what you are r

Re: Important features for editors

2013-07-05 Thread rusi
On Saturday, July 6, 2013 10:05:14 AM UTC+5:30, Joshua Landau wrote: > I never got why Vi doesn't support Ctrl-C by default -- it's not like > it's a used key-combination and it would have helped me so many times > when I was younger. Dunno what you are referring to. Out here C-c gets vi out of in

Re: Important features for editors

2013-07-05 Thread Joshua Landau
On 6 July 2013 04:25, Roy Smith wrote: > In article , > Rustom Mody wrote: > >> > I'm a vi user. Once I mastered "hit ESC by reflex when you pause >> > typing an insert" I was never confused above which mode I was in. >> > >> > And now my fingers know vi. > > All the vi you need to know: > > :

Re: Important features for editors

2013-07-05 Thread Roy Smith
In article , Rustom Mody wrote: > > I'm a vi user. Once I mastered "hit ESC by reflex when you pause > > typing an insert" I was never confused above which mode I was in. > > > > And now my fingers know vi. All the vi you need to know: : q ! -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python

Re: Important features for editors

2013-07-05 Thread Rustom Mody
On Sat, Jul 6, 2013 at 4:36 AM, Cameron Simpson wrote: > While I started with vi just slightly before encountering emacs > (mid-to-late 1980s, both), my main trouble with choosing emacs was > the heavy use of control keys. Vi's modal nature means that in > "edit" mode, all the keystrokes are avai

Re: Important features for editors

2013-07-05 Thread Cameron Simpson
On 05Jul2013 05:12, rusi wrote: | On Thursday, July 4, 2013 1:37:10 PM UTC+5:30, Göktuğ Kayaalp wrote: | > Programmability comes to my mind, before anything else. I'd suggest | > to find out about designs of Emacs and Vi(m). | | There's one reason I prefer emacs -- and I guess some people | pref

Re: Important features for editors

2013-07-05 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2013-07-04, Ferrous Cranus wrote: > 4/7/2013 9:40 , ??/?? Grant Edwards : >> On 2013-07-04, ?? wrote: >>> >>> If you guys want to use it i can send you a patch for it. I know its >>> illegal thing to say but it will help you use it without buying it. >> >> A ne

Re: Important features for editors

2013-07-05 Thread rusi
On Thursday, July 4, 2013 1:37:10 PM UTC+5:30, Göktuğ Kayaalp wrote: > Programmability comes to my mind, before anything else. I'd suggest > to find out about designs of Emacs and Vi(m). There's one reason I prefer emacs -- and I guess some people prefer Idle -- the interpreter and editor are ti

Re: Important features for editors

2013-07-05 Thread feedthetroll
Am Donnerstag, 4. Juli 2013 11:14:38 UTC+2 schrieb Νίκος Gr33k: > ... >> On 07/04/2013 03:59 AM, Νίκος wrote: >>> ... >>> Download Sublime Text v3 >>> Is a great editor >>> ... > > If you guys want to use it i can send you a patch for it. > I know its illegal thing to say but it will help you use

Re: Important features for editors

2013-07-05 Thread Νίκος Gr33k
Στις 4/7/2013 10:59 πμ, ο/η Νίκος έγραψε: Στις 4/7/2013 10:32 πμ, ο/η cutems93 έγραψε: I am researching on editors for my own reference. I found that each of them has some features that other don't, but I am not sure which features are significant/necessary for a GOOD editor. What features do yo

Re: Important features for editors

2013-07-05 Thread Terry Reedy
On 7/4/2013 2:52 PM, Ferrous Cranus wrote: Like you never downloaded serials/keygens/patch/cracks for warez and torrents websites. Morality aside, why would I? Today I bought 8 games on GOG.com for about $22 - drm and virus free and easy download and install. If I get 10 hours of fun from 2

Re: Important features for editors

2013-07-04 Thread Cameron Simpson
[ Digressing to tuning remote access. Sorry. - Cameron ] On 04Jul2013 21:50, Roy Smith wrote: | Does Sublime have some sort of remote mode? We've got one guy who loves | it, but needs to work on a remote machine (i.e. in AWS). I got X11 | working for him (he has a Mac desktop), so he can run

Re: Important features for editors

2013-07-04 Thread Roy Smith
In article , Joshua Landau wrote: [talking about Sublime Text] > There's, instead of a scrollbar, a little "bird's-eye-view" of the > whole code on the RHS. I've never used it myself, but there's a couple of guys in the office who do. I have to admit, this feature looks pretty neat. Does Sub

Re: Important features for editors

2013-07-04 Thread Dave Angel
On 07/04/2013 08:38 PM, Joshua Landau wrote: On 4 July 2013 08:32, cutems93 wrote: I am researching on editors for my own reference. I found that each of them has some features that other don't, but I am not sure which features are significant/necessary for a GOOD editor. What features do you

Re: Important features for editors

2013-07-04 Thread Joshua Landau
On 4 July 2013 08:32, cutems93 wrote: > I am researching on editors for my own reference. I found that each of them > has some features that other don't, but I am not sure which features are > significant/necessary for a GOOD editor. What features do you a good editor > should have? Keyboard sh

Re: Important features for editors

2013-07-04 Thread Jason Swails
On Thu, Jul 4, 2013 at 2:52 PM, Ferrous Cranus wrote: > Στις 4/7/2013 9:40 μμ, ο/η Grant Edwards έγραψε: > > On 2013-07-04, ?? wrote: >> >>> >>> If you guys want to use it i can send you a patch for it. I know its >>> illegal thing to say but it will help you use it without buying it. >

Re: Important features for editors

2013-07-04 Thread Chris Angelico
On Fri, Jul 5, 2013 at 4:52 AM, Ferrous Cranus wrote: > Στις 4/7/2013 9:40 μμ, ο/η Grant Edwards έγραψε: > >> On 2013-07-04, ?? wrote: >>> >>> >>> If you guys want to use it i can send you a patch for it. I know its >>> illegal thing to say but it will help you use it without buying it. >

Re: Important features for editors

2013-07-04 Thread Tim Chase
On 2013-07-04 15:24, MRAB wrote: > On 04/07/2013 14:22, Tim Chase wrote: > > Other nice-to-haves include > > > > - Unicode support (including various encodings) > > It's 2013, yet Unicode support is merely a "nice-to-have"? Yeah, while I use Vim and it's got support, most of what I do interacts w

Re: Important features for editors

2013-07-04 Thread Ferrous Cranus
Στις 4/7/2013 9:40 μμ, ο/η Grant Edwards έγραψε: On 2013-07-04, ?? wrote: If you guys want to use it i can send you a patch for it. I know its illegal thing to say but it will help you use it without buying it. A new low. Now he's offering to help people steal others' work. Like y

Re: Important features for editors

2013-07-04 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2013-07-04, ?? wrote: > > If you guys want to use it i can send you a patch for it. I know its > illegal thing to say but it will help you use it without buying it. A new low. Now he's offering to help people steal others' work. -- Grant -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo

Re: Important features for editors

2013-07-04 Thread Steve Simmons
To Rurpy and cutems93, My apologies too. I reacted before I thought about creating a new thread. To your question: One thing that I don't use daily but find very useful to have in an editor is 'Hex View' (or better yet a 'Hex Editor'). Whilst it has been 'dissed' recently on this list, I like

Re: Important features for editors

2013-07-04 Thread rurpy
On 07/04/2013 08:24 AM, MRAB wrote: > On 04/07/2013 14:22, Tim Chase wrote: >> On 2013-07-04 05:02, Dave Angel wrote: >> [snip an excellent list of things to look for in an editor] > It's 2013, yet Unicode support is merely a "nice-to-have"? I agree that this is pretty important. Even if you do

Re: Important features for editors

2013-07-04 Thread Steven D'Aprano
On Thu, 04 Jul 2013 07:02:26 -0700, rusi wrote: > On Thursday, July 4, 2013 7:03:19 PM UTC+5:30, Steve Simmons wrote: >> Boy oh boy! You really are a slow learner Nicos. You have just offered >> to commit a crime and to include dozens of others in that crime ON A >> PUBLIC FORUM. Please think befo

Re: Important features for editors

2013-07-04 Thread Steven D'Aprano
On Thu, 04 Jul 2013 12:01:26 +0100, Robert Kern wrote: > On 2013-07-04 10:14, Νίκος wrote: > >> If you guys want to use it i can send you a patch for it. I know its >> illegal thing to say but it will help you use it without buying it. > > Please do not use this forum to make such offers. Than

Re: Important features for editors

2013-07-04 Thread Steve Simmons
rusi wrote: >On Thursday, July 4, 2013 7:03:19 PM UTC+5:30, Steve Simmons wrote: >> Boy oh boy! You really are a slow learner Nicos. You have just >offered to >> commit a crime and to include dozens of others in that crime ON A >PUBLIC >> FORUM. Please think before you post. > >For the record

Re: Important features for editors

2013-07-04 Thread William Ray Wing
On Jul 4, 2013, at 9:22 AM, Tim Chase wrote: > On 2013-07-04 05:02, Dave Angel wrote: > [snip an excellent list of things to look for in an editor] > > Also, > > - the ability to perform changes in bulk, especially across files. > Often, this is done with the ability to record/playback macros

Re: Important features for editors

2013-07-04 Thread MRAB
On 04/07/2013 14:22, Tim Chase wrote: On 2013-07-04 05:02, Dave Angel wrote: [snip an excellent list of things to look for in an editor] Also, - the ability to perform changes in bulk, especially across files. Often, this is done with the ability to record/playback macros, though some edi

Re: Important features for editors

2013-07-04 Thread rusi
On Thursday, July 4, 2013 7:03:19 PM UTC+5:30, Steve Simmons wrote: > Boy oh boy! You really are a slow learner Nicos. You have just offered to > commit a crime and to include dozens of others in that crime ON A PUBLIC > FORUM. Please think before you post. For the record Steve, let me say, I f

Re: Important features for editors

2013-07-04 Thread feedthetroll
Am Donnerstag, 4. Juli 2013 15:36:02 UTC+2 schrieb Νίκος Γκρ33κ: > Στις 4/7/2013 4:33 μμ, ο/η Steve Simmons έγραψε: >> "Νίκος" wrote: >>> Στις 4/7/2013 11:34 πμ, ο/η Dave Angel έγραψε: On 07/04/2013 03:59 AM, Νίκος wrote: > ... > Download Sublime Text v3 >

Re: Important features for editors

2013-07-04 Thread Νίκος Γκρ33κ
Στις 4/7/2013 4:33 μμ, ο/η Steve Simmons έγραψε: "Νίκος" wrote: Στις 4/7/2013 11:34 πμ, ο/η Dave Angel έγραψε: On 07/04/2013 03:59 AM, Νίκος wrote: Στις 4/7/2013 10:32 πμ, ο/η cutems93 έγραψε: I am researching on editors for my own reference. I

Re: Important features for editors

2013-07-04 Thread Steve Simmons
"Νίκος" wrote: >Στις 4/7/2013 11:34 πμ, ο/η Dave Angel έγραψε: >> On 07/04/2013 03:59 AM, Νίκος wrote: >>> Στις 4/7/2013 10:32 πμ, ο/η cutems93 έγραψε: I am researching on editors for my own reference. I found that each >of them has some features that other don't, but I am not sure whic

Re: Important features for editors

2013-07-04 Thread Tim Chase
On 2013-07-04 05:02, Dave Angel wrote: [snip an excellent list of things to look for in an editor] Also, - the ability to perform changes in bulk, especially across files. Often, this is done with the ability to record/playback macros, though some editors have multiple insertion/edit cursors

Re: Important features for editors

2013-07-04 Thread Robert Kern
On 2013-07-04 10:14, Νίκος wrote: If you guys want to use it i can send you a patch for it. I know its illegal thing to say but it will help you use it without buying it. Please do not use this forum to make such offers. -- Robert Kern "I have come to believe that the whole world is an enigm

Re: Important features for editors

2013-07-04 Thread Chris Angelico
On Thu, Jul 4, 2013 at 7:14 PM, Νίκος wrote: > If you guys want to use it i can send you a patch for it. > I know its illegal thing to say but it will help you use it without buying > it. Considering that there are plenty of free text editors around, I don't see any reason to steal one. If you wa

Re: Important features for editors

2013-07-04 Thread Νίκος
Στις 4/7/2013 11:34 πμ, ο/η Dave Angel έγραψε: On 07/04/2013 03:59 AM, Νίκος wrote: Στις 4/7/2013 10:32 πμ, ο/η cutems93 έγραψε: I am researching on editors for my own reference. I found that each of them has some features that other don't, but I am not sure which features are significant/neces

Re: Important features for editors

2013-07-04 Thread Dave Angel
On 07/04/2013 03:32 AM, cutems93 wrote: I am researching on editors for my own reference. I found that each of them has some features that other don't, but I am not sure which features are significant/necessary for a GOOD editor. What features do you a good editor should have? Keyboard shortcu

Re: Important features for editors

2013-07-04 Thread Dave Angel
On 07/04/2013 03:59 AM, Νίκος wrote: Στις 4/7/2013 10:32 πμ, ο/η cutems93 έγραψε: I am researching on editors for my own reference. I found that each of them has some features that other don't, but I am not sure which features are significant/necessary for a GOOD editor. What features do you a g

Re: Important features for editors

2013-07-04 Thread Νίκος
Στις 4/7/2013 10:32 πμ, ο/η cutems93 έγραψε: I am researching on editors for my own reference. I found that each of them has some features that other don't, but I am not sure which features are significant/necessary for a GOOD editor. What features do you a good editor should have? Keyboard sh