On Sun, 7 Aug 2005 23:52:40 -0400, "Terry Reedy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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>"Bengt Richter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
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>> I think the relationship of abstract entities and their concrete
>> representations
>> is very interesting.
>
>ditto
>
>> BTW, maybe this
"Bengt Richter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
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> I think the relationship of abstract entities and their concrete
> representations
> is very interesting.
ditto
> BTW, maybe this is a place to mention the concept of an AST decorator,
> that works like
> a function
On Sun, 7 Aug 2005 18:37:42 -0400, "Terry Reedy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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>"John Roth" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
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>> http://martinfowler.com/articles/languageWorkbench.html
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>This clarified your proposal for Python considerably. So I note that now
>and esp
"John Roth" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
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> http://martinfowler.com/articles/languageWorkbench.html
This clarified your proposal for Python considerably. So I note that now
and especially once the AST compiler is completed, you are quite free to
start a Python AS
"Mike Meyer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
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>> http://martinfowler.com/articles/languageWorkbench.html
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> Um - I see no mention of "AST" in that article at all. He's mostly
> talking about "Language Oriented Programming" (seems to be another
> term to describe DSLs)
Dennis Lee Bieber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> On Sat, 06 Aug 2005 21:37:54 -0400, Mike Meyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> declaimed
> the following in comp.lang.python:
>> "The concensus of this group" is a *long* way from "the debate has
>> moved on". I agree that it's the concensus of this group - but t
Quoth Mike Meyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
| "John Roth" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
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|> It seems to be the concensus on this group anyway: declarative typing
|> does not give enough improvement in program correctness to override
|> more concise programs and TDD. That may, of course, be wishful
|> t
Mike Meyer wrote:
> "John Roth" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>>"Mike Meyer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>>>I find it hilarious that this arrived at my news server the same day
>>>that Peter Hansens rant (look for the subject "Syntax error after
>>>upgrading to Python 2.4") about Python chan
Peter Hansen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Mike Meyer wrote:
>> "John Roth" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>>>The world is moving on, in ways that I think you're not seeing.
>>>And Python is standing still in many of those same ways.
>> I find it hilarious that this arrived at my news server the same
"Mike Meyer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
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> "John Roth" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>> However. I see nothing in the existing Python 3000 PEP that does
>> anything other than inspire a yawn. Sure, it's a bunch of cleanup, and
>> some of it is definitely needed.
>
> A
"John Roth" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> "Mike Meyer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>>> What I want to see in Python 3000 is an AST based language
>>> that lets the editors do the pretty printing. Do you want automatic
>>> indenting or would you prefer end statements? It's an editor formatt
Mike Meyer wrote:
> "John Roth" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>>The world is moving on, in ways that I think you're not seeing.
>>And Python is standing still in many of those same ways.
>
> I find it hilarious that this arrived at my news server the same day
> that Peter Hansens rant (look for the
"John Roth" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
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> Maybe "fat and happy" wasn't the best choice of words
Depends on the reaction you wanted ;-)
> However. I see nothing in the existing Python 3000 PEP that does
> anything other than inspire a yawn. Sure, it's a bunch of c
"John Roth" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> However. I see nothing in the existing Python 3000 PEP that does
> anything other than inspire a yawn. Sure, it's a bunch of cleanup, and
> some of it is definitely needed.
Actually, that's pretty much *all* it is. I always figured it was a
warning about t
John Roth wrote:
> Another thing that stands out: the explicit versus dynamic typing debate
> has moved on from program correctness (which is a wash) to
> other areas that explicit (or derived) type information can be used
> for. I see this in PyFit: the languages where explicit type information
>
On Sat, 6 Aug 2005 11:53:04 -0600,
"John Roth" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> What I want to see in Python 3000 is an AST based language that lets
> the editors do the pretty printing. Do you want automatic indenting or
> would you prefer end statements? It's an editor formatting option. The
> AST n
John Roth wrote:
> "Peter Hansen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
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> > John Roth wrote:
> >> It's not going to happen because the Python community is fat and happy,
> >> and is not seeing the competition moving up on the outside.
> >> Characteristics
> >> that make a gr
"Peter Hansen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
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> John Roth wrote:
>> It's not going to happen because the Python community is fat and happy,
>> and is not seeing the competition moving up on the outside.
>> Characteristics
>> that make a great language one day make a m
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