Re: Developing a network protocol with Python

2005-12-15 Thread Irmen de Jong
Laszlo Zsolt Nagy wrote: > "Mobile objects. Clients and servers can pass objects around - even when > the server has never known them before. Pyro will then automatically > transfer the needed Python bytecode." > > I believe that using cPickle and transferring data (but not the code) is > stil

Re: Developing a network protocol with Python

2005-12-15 Thread Laszlo Zsolt Nagy
Paul Rubin wrote: >Laszlo Zsolt Nagy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > >>But how can I transfer pure python objects otherwise? Pyro also uses >>Pickle and it also transfers bytecode. >> >> >Pyro in the past used pickle in an insecure way. I'd heard it had >been fixed and I didn't realize it s

Re: Developing a network protocol with Python

2005-12-14 Thread Paul Rubin
Laszlo Zsolt Nagy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > But how can I transfer pure python objects otherwise? Pyro also uses > Pickle and it also transfers bytecode. Pyro in the past used pickle in an insecure way. I'd heard it had been fixed and I didn't realize it still uses pickle. > I read somewhere

Re: Developing a network protocol with Python

2005-12-14 Thread Laszlo Zsolt Nagy
Paul Rubin wrote: >Laszlo Zsolt Nagy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > >>I already have my own classes. My objects are in object ownership >>trees, and they are referencing to each other (weakly and >>strongly). These classes have their own streaming methods, and they >>can be pickled safely. >>

Re: Developing a network protocol with Python

2005-12-14 Thread Paul Rubin
Laszlo Zsolt Nagy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I already have my own classes. My objects are in object ownership > trees, and they are referencing to each other (weakly and > strongly). These classes have their own streaming methods, and they > can be pickled safely. Standard warning: if you're a

Re: Developing a network protocol with Python

2005-12-14 Thread Laszlo Zsolt Nagy
>Try Pyro http://pyro.sourceforge.net >before rolling your own Python-specific protocol. > > You are right. I wanted to use pyro before, because it is well tested and it has nice features. Unfortunately, it is not good for me. :-( I already have my own classes. My objects are in object owners

Re: Developing a network protocol with Python

2005-12-13 Thread Irmen de Jong
Laszlo Zsolt Nagy wrote: >> > I need to send Python objects too. They are too elaborate to convert > them to XML. (They are using cyclic weak references and other Python > specific stuff.) I can be sure that on both sides, there are Python > programs. Is there any advantage in using XML if I al

Re: Developing a network protocol with Python

2005-12-13 Thread Lawrence Oluyede
Il 2005-12-13, Laszlo Zsolt Nagy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ha scritto: > I need to send Python objects too. They are too elaborate to convert > them to XML. (They are using cyclic weak references and other Python > specific stuff.) I can be sure that on both sides, there are Python > programs. Is ther

Re: Developing a network protocol with Python

2005-12-13 Thread Lawrence Oluyede
Il 2005-12-12, Laszlo Zsolt Nagy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ha scritto: > > Hello, > > I would like to develop a new network protocol, where the server and the > clients are Python programs. You should use Twisted for this: Writing clients http://twistedmatrix.com/projects/core/documentation/howto/cl

Re: Developing a network protocol with Python

2005-12-13 Thread Laszlo Zsolt Nagy
Tom Anderson wrote: >>I think to be effective, I need to use TCP_NODELAY, and manually >>buffered transfers. >> >> >Why? > Because of the big delays when sending small messages (size < 1500 bytes). >Personally, i'd steer clear of doing it like this, and try to use an >existing, language-ne

Re: Developing a network protocol with Python

2005-12-12 Thread Tom Anderson
On Mon, 12 Dec 2005, Laszlo Zsolt Nagy wrote: > I think to be effective, I need to use TCP_NODELAY, and manually > buffered transfers. Why? > I would like to create a general messaging object that has methods like > > sendinteger > recvinteger > sendstring > recvstring Okay. So you're really d

Re: Developing a network protocol with Python

2005-12-12 Thread Diez B. Roggisch
> Am I on the right way to develop a new protocol? > Are there any common mistakes that programmers do? > Is there a howto where I can read more about this? If you _must_ develop your own protocol, use at least twisted. But I'd go for an existing solutions out there - namely pyro. No need to inve