Re: Fortran vs Python - Newbie Question

Terry Reedy wrote: > "Tim Roberts" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > | Once upon a time, > | Basic enthusiasts would have used the word "tokenized" to describe .pyc > files. > > Perhaps, but they would, I think, have been wrong. Tokenized Basic to the > best of my

Re: Fortran vs Python - Newbie Question

"Tim Roberts" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | Well, I'm being a bit argumentative here, but it's hard to deny that the | use of "compiled" in the context of .pyc (or .javac) is very different from | the use of "compiled" in the context of running gcc. Besides the f

Re: Fortran vs Python - Newbie Question

I feel obligated to fan the flames a bit by pointing to http://www.fortranstatement.com/ a site which advocates discontinuing development of Fortran and does a good job of summarizing the problems with the contemporary development of that language. I am not convinced that a new high performance la

Re: Fortran vs Python - Newbie Question

"Beliavsky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > On Mar 26, 10:16 am, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Cameron Laird) wrote: >> In article >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,[EMAIL PROTECTED] >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> >Is there a mac version?? >> >Thanks >> >Chris >> >> Yes. >> >> Sever

Re: Fortran vs Python - Newbie Question

Steven D'Aprano <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >On Mon, 26 Mar 2007 06:40:49 -0700, kyosohma wrote: > >> Fortran also appears to be a compiled language, whereas Python is an >> interpreted language. > >Sheesh. Do Java developers go around telling everybody that Java is an >interpreted language? I don'

Re: Fortran vs Python - Newbie Question

On Tue, 27 Mar 2007 12:11:01 -0600, Erik Johnson wrote: > But seriously... I'm not a language or architecture guru. Is there any > real difference between a JVM and an interpreter? I mean, I have some > general feel that bytecode is a lower-level, more direct and more efficient > thing to be

Re: Fortran vs Python - Newbie Question

On Mar 27, 6:32 am, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Cameron Laird) wrote: > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,Beliavsky <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > . > . > . > > > > >Your experience with Fortran is dated -- see below. > > >> I'll be more c

Re: Fortran vs Python - Newbie Question

In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Mark Morss wrote: > Well, the discussion was about Python vs. Fortran, and Pyrex, as I > understand it, is a tool for linking C to Python. I think it's more than that. It's more a subset of Python with a little static typing. Ciao, Marc 'BlackJack' Rintsch -- ht

Re: Fortran vs Python - Newbie Question

"Steven D'Aprano" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sheesh. Do Java developers go around telling everybody that Java is an > interpreted language? I don't think so. > > What do you think the "c" in ".pyc" files stands for? "Cheese"? On the contrary... Sun is very care

Re: Fortran vs Python - Newbie Question

On Mar 27, 12:55 pm, Jaap Spies <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Mark Morss wrote: > > > Maybe somebody reading this will be able to convince me to look again > > at Numpy/Scipy, but for the time being I will continue to do my > > serious numerical computation in Fortran. > > What I am missing in this

Re: Fortran vs Python - Newbie Question

Mark Morss wrote: > > Maybe somebody reading this will be able to convince me to look again > at Numpy/Scipy, but for the time being I will continue to do my > serious numerical computation in Fortran. > What I am missing in this discussion is a link to Pyrex to speed up Python: Pyrex is almost

Re: Fortran vs Python - Newbie Question

On Mar 26, 12:59 pm, "Erik Johnson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message > > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > OK... > > I've been told that Both Fortran and Python are easy to read, and are > > quite useful in creating scientific apps for the number crunching, but > > then

Re: Fortran vs Python - Newbie Question

In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Beliavsky <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: . . . >Your experience with Fortran is dated -- see below. > >> >> I'll be more clear: Fortran itself is a distinguished >> language with many meritorious im

Re: Fortran vs Python - Newbie Question

Carl Banks wrote: > On Mar 26, 10:11 am, "Andy Dingley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >>On 26 Mar, 14:20, "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> >>>what are the advantages of using Python for >>>creating number crunching apps over Fortran?? >> >>If you have to ask, you've not experien

Re: Fortran vs Python - Newbie Question

[EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I've been told that Both Fortran and Python are easy to read, and are > quite useful in creating scientific apps for the number crunching, but Incidentally, and a bit outside what you asked: if your "number crunching" involves anything beyond linear

Re: Fortran vs Python - Newbie Question

Cameron Laird <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: ... > >If you're just trying to learn and check things out, it might be better > >to get a more recent Python from python.org (2.5 or 2.4.4) and the > >various other packages as and when you need them (you can use the > >MacEnthon list as a guide:-). You

Re: Fortran vs Python - Newbie Question

On Mar 26, 10:16 am, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Cameron Laird) wrote: > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,[EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >Is there a mac version?? > >Thanks > >Chris > > Yes. > > Several, in fact--all available at no charge. The Python > world is different from what experienc

Re: Fortran vs Python - Newbie Question

On Mar 26, 10:31 am, "Carl Banks" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > You can write programs in Python that do usefully complicated things, > > and you can get them to work in a reasonable time. Fortran can't do > > this, for anything more than the trivial. "Classic" Fortran tasks of > > the past are

Re: Fortran vs Python - Newbie Question

On Mar 26, 9:06 am, stef <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > As said by others, "Portability, scalability & RAD" as an advantage of > Python are probably far more important. All of those claimed advantages can be debated, although they may exist for some tasks. (1) Portability. Fortran has been run on

Re: Fortran vs Python - Newbie Question

On Mon, 26 Mar 2007 15:53:56 -0700, sturlamolden wrote: > Python is a very high-level language. That means there are certain > things that put constraint on the attained speed. Most importantly: > keep the number of interpreter evals as scarce as possible. If you > make a for loop, the interpreter

Re: Fortran vs Python - Newbie Question

On Mar 26, 8:42 am, Jean-Paul Calderone <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > You can get the speed of fortran in Python by using libraries like > Numeric without losing the readability of Python. Numeric and Numpy will faster than raw Python for array operations, but I don't think they will match well-

Re: Fortran vs Python - Newbie Question

On Mar 26, 7:13 pm, "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Thanks you all for giving a little insight into what Python can > actually do, I think I've read enough to convince me that Python is > generally a very flexible, fast, powerful language that can be used in > a wide variety of ap

Re: Fortran vs Python - Newbie Question

On Mar 26, 8:40 am, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > On Mar 26, 8:20 am, "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > OK... > > I've been told that Both Fortran and Python are easy to read, and are > > quite useful in creating scientific apps for the number crunching, but > > then Python is a tad

Re: Fortran vs Python - Newbie Question

On Mar 26, 3:20 pm, "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > OK... > I've been told that Both Fortran and Python are easy to read, and are > quite useful in creating scientific apps for the number crunching, but > then Python is a tad slower than Fortran because of its a high level > langua

Re: Fortran vs Python - Newbie Question

On Mon, 26 Mar 2007 06:40:49 -0700, kyosohma wrote: > Fortran also appears to be a compiled language, whereas Python is an > interpreted language. Sheesh. Do Java developers go around telling everybody that Java is an interpreted language? I don't think so. What do you think the "c" in ".pyc" fi

RE: Fortran vs Python - Newbie Question

1. Python is fun! 2. Python is cool! 3. Most of the time you can google a solution, i.e. somebody has already done nearly everything you can think of. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 26, 2007 8:21 AM To: p

Re: Fortran vs Python - Newbie Question

On 26 Mar, 17:59, "Erik Johnson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message > > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > OK... > > I've been told that Both Fortran and Python are easy to read, and are > > quite useful in creating scientific apps for the number crunching, but > > then Pyt

Re: Fortran vs Python - Newbie Question

<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > OK... > I've been told that Both Fortran and Python are easy to read, and are > quite useful in creating scientific apps for the number crunching, but > then Python is a tad slower than Fortran because of its a high level > language nat

Re: Fortran vs Python - Newbie Question

On Mar 26, 9:42 am, Jean-Paul Calderone <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 26 Mar 2007 06:20:32 -0700, "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >OK... > >I've been told that Both Fortran and Python are easy to read, and are > > Python is hugely easier to read. > > >quite useful in creating s

Re: Fortran vs Python - Newbie Question

Alex Martelli wrote: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >... >>> So I'ld suggest to start with downloading the Enthought edition of Python, >>> and you can judge for yourself within 10 minutes, >>> if it's fast enough. >>> >>> cheers, >>> Stef Mientki >> Is there a mac version?? >

Re: Fortran vs Python - Newbie Question

In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Alex Martelli <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >[EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > ... >> > So I'ld suggest to start with downloading the Enthought edition of Python, >> > and you can judge for yourself within 10 minutes, >> > if it's fast enough. >> > >> > c

Re: Fortran vs Python - Newbie Question

In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: . . . >Is there a mac version?? >Thanks >Chris > Yes. Several, in fact--all available at no charge. The Python world is different from what experie

Re: Fortran vs Python - Newbie Question

In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: . . . >> You can get the speed of fortran in Python by using libraries like >> Numeric without losing the readability of Python. >> > >Can you back th

Re: Fortran vs Python - Newbie Question

[EMAIL PROTECTED] a écrit : > On Mar 26, 8:20 am, "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> OK... >> I've been told that Both Fortran and Python are easy to read, and are >> quite useful in creating scientific apps for the number crunching, but >> then Python is a tad slower than Fortran be

Re: Fortran vs Python - Newbie Question

On Mar 26, 3:20 pm, "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I've been told that Both Fortran and Python are easy to read, and are > quite useful in creating scientific apps for the number crunching, but > then Python is a tad slower than Fortran because of its a high level > language natu

Re: Fortran vs Python - Newbie Question

On Mar 26, 10:11 am, "Andy Dingley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 26 Mar, 14:20, "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > what are the advantages of using Python for > > creating number crunching apps over Fortran?? > > If you have to ask, you've not experienced enough Fortran to know

Re: Fortran vs Python - Newbie Question

On 26 Mar 2007 06:20:32 -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > OK... > I've been told that Both Fortran and Python are easy to read, and are > quite useful in creating scientific apps for the number crunching, but > then Python is a tad slower than Fortran because of its a high level

Re: Fortran vs Python - Newbie Question

In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Jean-Paul Calderone <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >On 26 Mar 2007 06:20:32 -0700, "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>OK... >>I've been told that Both Fortran and Python are easy to read, and are > >Python is hugely easier to read. > >>quite useful in crea

Re: Fortran vs Python - Newbie Question

[EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: ... > > So I'ld suggest to start with downloading the Enthought edition of Python, > > and you can judge for yourself within 10 minutes, > > if it's fast enough. > > > > cheers, > > Stef Mientki > > Is there a mac version??

Re: Fortran vs Python - Newbie Question

On Mar 26, 4:47 pm, "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > You can get the speed of fortran in Python by using libraries like > > Numeric without losing the readability of Python. > > Can you back this up with some source?? > Chris If you execute one command in Python which tells a sup

Re: Fortran vs Python - Newbie Question

On 26 Mar, 15:06, stef <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> You can get the speed of fortran in Python by using libraries like > >> Numeric without losing the readability of Python. > > > Can you back this up with some source?? > > Chris > > Is this really the most important issue in your choice ? > > A

Re: Fortran vs Python - Newbie Question

On 26 Mar, 14:20, "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > what are the advantages of using Python for > creating number crunching apps over Fortran?? If you have to ask, you've not experienced enough Fortran to know its sheer horror. You can write programs in Python that do usefully com

Re: Fortran vs Python - Newbie Question

> > >> You can get the speed of fortran in Python by using libraries like >> Numeric without losing the readability of Python. >> >> > > Can you back this up with some source?? > Chris > > Is this really the most important issue in your choice ? As said by others, "Portability, scalabi

Re: Fortran vs Python - Newbie Question

On 26 Mar 2007 06:47:18 -0700, "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >On Mar 26, 2:42 pm, Jean-Paul Calderone <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> On 26 Mar 2007 06:20:32 -0700, "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> >OK... >> >I've been told that Both Fortran and Python are easy to

Re: Fortran vs Python - Newbie Question

On Mar 26, 2:42 pm, Jean-Paul Calderone <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 26 Mar 2007 06:20:32 -0700, "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >OK... > >I've been told that Both Fortran and Python are easy to read, and are > > Python is hugely easier to read. > > >quite useful in creating s

Re: Fortran vs Python - Newbie Question

On Mar 26, 3:20 pm, "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > OK... > I've been told that Both Fortran and Python are easy to read, and are > quite useful in creating scientific apps for the number crunching, but > then Python is a tad slower than Fortran because of its a high level > langua

Re: Fortran vs Python - Newbie Question

On Mar 26, 9:20 am, "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > OK... > I've been told that Both Fortran and Python are easy to read, and are > quite useful in creating scientific apps for the number crunching, but > then Python is a tad slower than Fortran because of its a high level > langua

Re: Fortran vs Python - Newbie Question

On Mar 26, 8:20 am, "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > OK... > I've been told that Both Fortran and Python are easy to read, and are > quite useful in creating scientific apps for the number crunching, but > then Python is a tad slower than Fortran because of its a high level > langua

Re: Fortran vs Python - Newbie Question

On 26 Mar 2007 06:20:32 -0700, "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >OK... >I've been told that Both Fortran and Python are easy to read, and are Python is hugely easier to read. >quite useful in creating scientific apps for the number crunching, but >then Python is a tad slower than Fo