Well, I admit the remark was off the cuff because I was thinking of
conventional waterfall development cycles in the aerospace industry
in that context someone who wasn't there during an entire development
cycle is not even a junior member, but is rather a recruit under
training to begin actua
Rocco Moretti <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Alex Martelli wrote:
> > The Eternal Squire <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >...
> >
> >>2) Consider what he really wants for a supervisor of software
> >>engineers. Ideally such a person should be a software engineer with
> >>at least 3 times the ex
And me, I'm a 15 to 20 year veteran, I started *very* young
I think Alex has it right. Too many of us elders are like he says.. I
try not to be, to the point where I accepted a promotion from my
captain (wife) from chief engineer of the family to executive officer
(as in, I am now my daughter
Alex Martelli wrote:
> The Eternal Squire <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>...
>
>>2) Consider what he really wants for a supervisor of software
>>engineers. Ideally such a person should be a software engineer with
>>at least 3 times the experience of the most junior member. Such a
>
>
> I li
Alex Martelli wrote:
> The Eternal Squire <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>...
>
>>2) Consider what he really wants for a supervisor of software
>>engineers. Ideally such a person should be a software engineer with
>>at least 3 times the experience of the most junior member. Such a
>
>
> I li
The Eternal Squire <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
...
> 2) Consider what he really wants for a supervisor of software
> engineers. Ideally such a person should be a software engineer with
> at least 3 times the experience of the most junior member. Such a
I like the general idea but not your fo
I like the Python website just fine. It has exactly what it needs to
document and advocate Python, no more and no less. Plus, it loads
quite fast. Two suggestions for the OP:
1) Go to Barnes and Noble or Amazon and read or buy the book "Web
Sites That Suck". It is a fully detailed and annotat
On 02/11/05, Fredrik Lundh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> a version of Paint that works on a Mac, an obstreperous mentality,
> and a sense of humour. what else do you need?
Biscuits. You need biscuits.
Treating-this-thread-as-seriously-as-it-deserves-ly y'rs,
Simon B.
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"CppNewB" wrote:
> But the logos look like they were done in Paint
that's probably why the designers won a prestigious design award
for their:
"...innovative letter designs and typographic experiments,
which are testimony to their unconventional thinking about,
and use of, existing s
Björn Lindström wrote:
> Actually it does set some fonts ("avantgarde" and
> "lucidasomethignorother") as first choices. I guess you, like me, and
> probably most people in here, doesn't have those installed.
As far as I can tell, those fonts are only set for 'pre' and 'h' tags.
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Things, which can be done better are:
- seperate content and layout (no table design, no font tags, ...)
- blue links on blue background are nearly as ugly as visited-purple
links on blue background
- he frontpage is overloaded. Ok this is worth a discussion: poweruser
vs. marketing
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"Ben Sizer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> I can't believe you think the font there is unreadable. It's left to
> the browser default, which is usually set to a simple serif font,
> which in turn is presumably the default because the majority of all
> books, magazines, and newspapers in existence u
CppNewB wrote:
> But the logos look like they were done in Paint and maybe a
> readable default font is in order.
I can't believe you think the font there is unreadable. It's left to
the browser default, which is usually set to a simple serif font, which
in turn is presumably the default because t
I think I'm going to back you up a little bit here.
You've gone about this in a bit of a half-assed way (and pissed off a
fair few people in the process) but you are right that the site needs
a redesign.
It uses tables for layout with inline styles and font tags and doesn't
really use CSS. It ha
On Tuesday 01 November 2005 09:45, CppNewB wrote:
> First comment; "I hope the language is designed better than the site."
The website is beautiful. I just looked. Its the logo that is a little
off-putting. It makes a pretty bad first impression. Compare it to java's.
Even the php logo looks bet
On 2005-11-01, Benjamin Niemann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Steven D'Aprano wrote:
>
>> http://www.python.com/ perhaps?
>
> Yep, let's make this the new official python site ;)
Well, I have to admit that I think the scheme they use to get
you load the large flash chunk is pretty clever. Most sit
Steven D'Aprano wrote:
> http://www.python.com/ perhaps?
Yep, let's make this the new official python site ;)
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"CppNewB" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> My thoughts weren't to add a flash demo or develop some 500K logo or fixing
> the font size. But the logos look like they were done in Paint and maybe a
> readable default font is in order.
So what's wrong with the fonts they use - where they didn't let yo
On Tue, 01 Nov 2005 17:45:11 +, CppNewB wrote:
> I was trying to advocate using Python for an upcoming prototype, so my boss
> went out to take a look at the documentation and try and get a feel for what
> the language is all about.
>
> First comment; "I hope the language is designed better
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> CppNewB>and maybe a readable default font is in order.<
>
> That font looks fine to me, maybe there's a problem in the default font
> of your browser, you can probably fix your problem...
>
"Explicit is better than implicit"
I know ho
CppNewB>and maybe a readable default font is in order.<
That font looks fine to me, maybe there's a problem in the default font
of your browser, you can probably fix your problem...
Bye,
bearophile
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Steve Holden wrote:
>
> [Thinks: wonder if it's time to release a sneak preview].
>
It is! It is!
/David
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"John J. Lee" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
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> Robert Boyd <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> [...]
>> rounded corners. The Python site is clean and to-the-point. I guess I
>> could
>> admin that the various Python logos look dated, but that's about it. Oh,
>> and
> [...]
"Fredrik Lundh" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
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> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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> to post a "can we round up a couple of designers?" message with an in-
> flammatory subject line. that algorithm is rather simplistic, and can be
If it's any consolation, I did check Google
Robert Boyd <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
[...]
> rounded corners. The Python site is clean and to-the-point. I guess I could
> admin that the various Python logos look dated, but that's about it. Oh, and
[...]
I love the logos!
python.org looks simple to me, not amateurish. But that just goes to
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> So the first thing you do when you go to a web page is to google if
> they are going to redesign it?
I think the implication was "The first thing to do before *suggesting
that a redesign is nessasary* is to Google to see if such a redesign is
taking place."
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Grant Edwards wrote:
>> May God save us from "professional" looking web sites.
>> I like the Python web site. It's simple, easy to read, and easy to
>> use.
>
> I strongly agree with you, the web is full of web sites that are nice
> "looking" but have microscopic fixed
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> So the first thing you do when you go to a web page is to google if
> they are going to redesign it?
the first thing he did was to go to the page, the next thing he did was
to post a "can we round up a couple of designers?" message with an in-
flammatory subject line.
On Tuesday 01 November 2005 01:32 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> So the first thing you do when you go to a web page is to google if
> they are going to redesign it?
No, but it might be wise before posting a potentially inflammatory and
insulting comment about in on the mailing list. ;-)
Seriousl
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> So the first thing you do when you go to a web page is to google if
> they are going to redesign it?
No one is suggesting that it should be. However, Googling before coming
to a newsgroup to complain about anything is usually a good idea.
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So the first thing you do when you go to a web page is to google if
they are going to redesign it?
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] enlightened us with:
> I strongly agree with you, the web is full of web sites that are
> nice "looking" but have microscopic fixed fonts (against the very
> spirit of Html), are full of useless flash, have lots of html
> structures nested inside other ones (PHP sites are often li
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Grant Edwards wrote:
> May God save us from "professional" looking web sites.
> I like the Python web site. It's simple, easy to read, and easy to
> use.
I strongly agree with you, the web is full of web sites that are nice
"looking" but have microscopic fixed fonts (against the very spirit of
Ht
On 11/1/05, CppNewB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
...First comment; "I hope the language is designed better than the site." Thesite is readable, but is amateurish. If I had an ounce of design skills inme, I would take a stab at it.
Does boss have a problem with java.sun.com as well? The main visual
"CppNewB" wrote:
> I was trying to advocate using Python for an upcoming prototype, so my boss
> went out to take a look at the documentation and try and get a feel for what
> the language is all about.
>
> First comment; "I hope the language is designed better than the site."
so your boss is a t
On Nov 01, CppNewB wrote:
> First comment; "I hope the language is designed better than the
> site." The site is readable, but is amateurish.
That's flaim bait if I ever saw it!
I find the site quite lovely: very readable, no ads, well organized,
nice colors, simple, easy to maintain (uses ht2ht
Good news Steve.
It's definitely time for a sneak preview. Let's see it!
"Steve Holden" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
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> CppNewB wrote:
>> I was trying to advocate using Python for an upcoming prototype, so my
>> boss went out to take a look at the documentation an
CppNewB wrote:
> I was trying to advocate using Python for an upcoming prototype, so my boss
> went out to take a look at the documentation and try and get a feel for what
> the language is all about.
>
> First comment; "I hope the language is designed better than the site." The
> site is read
On 2005-11-01, CppNewB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I was trying to advocate using Python for an upcoming
> prototype, so my boss went out to take a look at the
> documentation and try and get a feel for what the language is
> all about.
>
> First comment; "I hope the language is designed better t
I was trying to advocate using Python for an upcoming prototype, so my boss
went out to take a look at the documentation and try and get a feel for what
the language is all about.
First comment; "I hope the language is designed better than the site." The
site is readable, but is amateurish. I
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