Re: Licensing?

2023-02-02 Thread Jon Ribbens via Python-list
On 2023-02-03, Greg Ewing wrote: > On 3/02/23 6:38 am, Jon Ribbens wrote: >> If you change someone else's code then you have created a derived >> work, which requires permission from both the original author and you >> to copy. (Unless you change it so much that nothing remains of the >> original

Re: Licensing?

2023-02-02 Thread Greg Ewing
On 3/02/23 6:38 am, Jon Ribbens wrote: If you change someone else's code then you have created a derived work, which requires permission from both the original author and you to copy. (Unless you change it so much that nothing remains of the original author's code, of course.) "Nothing" is prob

Re: Licensing?

2023-02-02 Thread Jon Ribbens via Python-list
On 2023-02-02, Stefan Ram wrote: > Many licenses in the Python world are like: "You can make > changes, but have to leave in my Copyright notice.". > > Would it be possible that the original author could not > claim a Copyright anymore when code has been changed? No. If you change someone

Re: setup.py and licensing questions

2018-12-12 Thread songbird
Ben Finney wrote: > songbird writes: > >> can i put multiple License lines in setup.py >> classifiers like: ? >> >> "License :: OSI Approved :: ???", >> "License :: OSI Approved :: ???", > > Yes. > > The semantics of that are not formalised, to my knowledge. You would be > si

Re: setup.py and licensing questions

2018-12-12 Thread Ben Finney
songbird writes: > can i put multiple License lines in setup.py > classifiers like: ? > > "License :: OSI Approved :: ???", > "License :: OSI Approved :: ???", Yes. The semantics of that are not formalised, to my knowledge. You would be signaling that the specified licens

setup.py and licensing questions

2018-12-12 Thread songbird
hi, i'm currently working through all the packaging and licensing stuff for my project and want to put the license in the setup.py file, but there may actually be more than one license (GPL ones for the artwork i've borrowed from another project and whatever license i choose to

Re: The curses module and licensing

2012-12-06 Thread Chris Angelico
On Fri, Dec 7, 2012 at 9:37 AM, Benjamin Schnitzler wrote: > By the way: Sorry for posting the statement of Chris Angelico to > the list, it wasn't meant to be on it. Apology accepted :) It was off-list mainly because it strayed off-topic, not because there was anything particularly private in it

The curses module and licensing

2012-12-06 Thread Benjamin Schnitzler
On 19:28 Thu 06 Dec , Alister wrote: > If I understand things correctly this means if you distribute the python > package (alone or as part of your application) then you need to include > the detailed section. > > if you provide just your own python code & require the user to install > pyth

Re: The curses module and licensing

2012-12-06 Thread Alister
ed terminal handling." >> >> But also: >> >> "Changed in version 1.6: Added support for the ncurses library and >> converted to a package." >> >> Is it maybe built on both libraries? However, the crucial point is, >> that I want to bui

Re: The curses module and licensing

2012-12-06 Thread benjamin schnitzler
converted to a package." > > Is it maybe built on both libraries? However, the crucial point > is, that I want to build a curses terminal interface for some GPL > software project. Can You give me a hint, if that is possible > (yes, I know, You are no lawyers) and if and where I have to > include licensing informations regarding the license of > curses/ncurses ? > > Thank You > > Benjamin > -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

The curses module and licensing

2012-12-06 Thread Benjamin Schnitzler
rminal interface for some GPL software project. Can You give me a hint, if that is possible (yes, I know, You are no lawyers) and if and where I have to include licensing informations regarding the license of curses/ncurses ? Thank You Benjamin -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: gnu readline licensing?

2010-04-20 Thread Irmen de Jong
On 20-4-2010 20:09, Brendan Miller wrote: Python provides a GNU readline interface... since readline is a GPLv3 library, doesn't that make python subject to the GPL? I'm confused because I thought python had a more BSD style license. Also, I presume programs written with the readline interface w

Re: gnu readline licensing?

2010-04-20 Thread Robert Kern
On 4/20/10 3:49 PM, Brendan Miller wrote: On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 11:38 AM, Robert Kern wrote: On 4/20/10 1:09 PM, Brendan Miller wrote: Python provides a GNU readline interface... since readline is a GPLv3 library, doesn't that make python subject to the GPL? I'm confused because I thought p

Re: gnu readline licensing?

2010-04-20 Thread Brendan Miller
On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 11:38 AM, Robert Kern wrote: > On 4/20/10 1:09 PM, Brendan Miller wrote: >> >> Python provides a GNU readline interface... since readline is a GPLv3 >> library, doesn't that make python subject to the GPL? I'm confused >> because I thought python had a more BSD style licens

Re: gnu readline licensing?

2010-04-20 Thread Robert Kern
On 4/20/10 1:09 PM, Brendan Miller wrote: Python provides a GNU readline interface... since readline is a GPLv3 library, doesn't that make python subject to the GPL? I'm confused because I thought python had a more BSD style license. The PSF License is more BSD-styled, yes. The readline module

gnu readline licensing?

2010-04-20 Thread Brendan Miller
Python provides a GNU readline interface... since readline is a GPLv3 library, doesn't that make python subject to the GPL? I'm confused because I thought python had a more BSD style license. Also, I presume programs written with the readline interface would still be subject to GPL... might want t

filecmp.py licensing

2009-05-17 Thread Fatih Tumen
Hi, As I mentioned on the other thread about samba, I am working on a synchronisation project and using filecmp.py for comparing files. I modified it according to my needs and planning to distribute it with my package. At first glance it seems that filecmp.py is a part of Python package. Though I d

FW: [Jython-users] Jython Licensing Question

2008-07-24 Thread Pinegar, Kent T
All, Can anyone answer my question about the licensing for SocketServer.py? I would appreciate it. Kent -Original Message- From: Tobias Ivarsson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2008 2:13 AM To: Pinegar, Kent T Subject: Re: [Jython-users] Jython Licensing Question No

Re: Licensing

2008-03-31 Thread Paul Boddie
ied Berkeley license, which is considered the most liberal of > licenses. ... and then the license follows ... > > So, if the recipe is in the printed cookbook the licensing is clear > (primarily you must retain the copyright notice). The best advice I've found so far is the followi

Re: Licensing

2008-03-31 Thread Duncan Booth
Paul Boddie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Note that the Python Cookbook says this about licensing: "Except where > otherwise noted, recipes in the Python Cookbook are published under > the Python license." The link is incorrect, but I presume they mean > this licence

Re: Licensing

2008-03-30 Thread DS
project written in >> python. I am planning to use GPLas the license. However, in my code, >> there is a function that I like from Python Cookbook. I would like to >> use it, although I could certainly write a less elegant version that >> would do the same thing. >>

Re: Licensing

2008-03-30 Thread Paul Boddie
use GPLas the license. However, in my code, > there is a function that I like from Python Cookbook. I would like to > use it, although I could certainly write a less elegant version that > would do the same thing. Note that the Python Cookbook says this about licensing: "Except whe

Re: Licensing

2008-03-29 Thread DS
for the book, I'd prefer crediting both, but at least give enough > so the interested reader can get back to some version of "the original." > > >> 4. Provide a separate licensing page for that function >> along with the GPL for my code. >> Wh

Re: Licensing

2008-03-29 Thread Scott David Daniels
ader can get back to some version of "the original." > 4. Provide a separate licensing page for that function > along with the GPL for my code. > What is the appropriate course of action here? I'm thinking #3 is > probably ok. How do others deal with th

Licensing

2008-03-29 Thread DS
acknowledge the source. 4. Provide a separate licensing page for that function along with the GPL for my code. What is the appropriate course of action here? I'm thinking #3 is probably ok. How do others deal with this in an honorable way? In the book, it appears that they are saying

Proper licensing and copyright attribution for extracted Python code

2007-06-14 Thread Douglas Alan
Hi. I extracted getpath.c out of Python and modified it to make a generally useful facility for C and C++ programming. These comments are at the top of my .c file, and I would like to know if they pass muster for meeting licensing, copyright, and aesthetics requirements: // -*- Mode: C; fill

Re: Python's CRT licensing on Windows

2006-10-25 Thread Dale Strickland-Clark
To paraphrase an applicant for a job vacancy we're currently filling when asked to give an example of their problem solving skills: A client had a problem with Windows XP on his laptop. I reformatted his hard disk and installed Red Hat. Problem solved. -- Dale Strickland-Clark Riverhall Systems

Re: Python's CRT licensing on Windows <-- FUD

2006-10-25 Thread Istvan Albert
sturlamolden wrote: > Maybe someone have gone through the trouble and got a clear answer from > Microsoft. As far as companies go the EULA is as clear of an answer as you can possibly hope for. As for the original post, don't bother with it this issue, the chances that MS will start harassing yo

Re: Python's CRT licensing on Windows <-- FUD

2006-10-25 Thread sturlamolden
Martin v. Löwis wrote: > As Fredrik Lundh says: Ask your lawyer. We cannot really interpret the > Microsoft license for you (I can only give it to you in case you don't > have it), and I can't formally give you permission to do copy something > that Microsoft has the copyright to. I wasn't askin

Re: Python's CRT licensing on Windows <-- FUD

2006-10-25 Thread Martin v. Löwis
sturlamolden schrieb: > Is further "distribution" okay if it is only accompanied by the python > runtime DLL (as is the case when using Py2Exe) or should the entire > python-2.4.4.msi from python.org be "distributed"? As Fredrik Lundh says: Ask your lawyer. We cannot really interpret the Microsoft

Re: Python's CRT licensing on Windows <-- FUD

2006-10-25 Thread manuelg
sturlamolden wrote: > I certainly don't understand the EULA, and thus I cannot make sure that > I lawyer understands it either. But I can certainly find a lawyer that > charges an hour and pretends to understand it. I am sure buying a > copy of VC7 is a lot cheaper. When you buy that copy of

Re: Python's CRT licensing on Windows <-- FUD

2006-10-25 Thread sturlamolden
Fredrik Lundh wrote: I am not intentionally posting FUD. >"As long as you're using a standard Python build, you don't need to >buy VC7 to [legally redistribute the C runtime]. The python.org team >use a properly licensed VC7 to build Python, which turns Python into >"licensee sof

Re: Python's CRT licensing on Windows <-- FUD

2006-10-25 Thread Fredrik Lundh
sturlamolden wrote: > On Windows, the standard Python 2.4 distro is compiled with Microsoft > Visual C++ 2003 and is shipped with msvcr71.dll as a part of the binary > installer. That is ok, as those who has a license for Microsoft Visual > C++ 2003 is allowed to redistribute msvcr71.dll. With

Python's CRT licensing on Windows

2006-10-25 Thread sturlamolden
pilers to key Python developers. That is generous of them. But what did they say about the crt licensing? -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Python 2.5 licensing: stop this change

2006-04-10 Thread Aahz
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Steve Holden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >To try and ensure this thread dies for ever, I have added a note to the >blog entry at > > http://pyfound.blogspot.com/2006/04/python-25-licensing-change.html > >noting the fact that thi

Re: Python 2.5 licensing: stop this change

2006-04-10 Thread Flexx
Steve Holden >> It was an April Fool's joke. It's not actually true. >> > To try and ensure this thread dies for ever, I have added a note to the > blog entry at > > http://pyfound.blogspot.com/2006/04/python-25-licensing-change.html > > noting the f

Re: Python 2.5 licensing: stop this change

2006-04-09 Thread Steve Holden
To try and ensure this thread dies for ever, I have added a note to the blog entry at http://pyfound.blogspot.com/2006/04/python-25-licensing-change.html noting the fact that this was indeed an April Fool's joke. regards Steve -- Steve Holden +44 150 684 7255 +1 800 494 3119

Re: Python 2.5 licensing: stop this change

2006-04-08 Thread Robert Kern
Francisco Reyes wrote: > Shane Hathaway writes: > >>I must saay that i am fully in favor of this change. The ppython >>developerrs need to eat too. Iis no one ellse aware off the perils oof >>ooutright open source llicenssing? > > I disagree with the change. I think Steve Holden is right. >

Re: Python 2.5 licensing: stop this change

2006-04-08 Thread Francisco Reyes
Shane Hathaway writes: > I must saay that i am fully in favor of this change. The ppython > developerrs need to eat too. Iis no one ellse aware off the perils oof > ooutright open source llicenssing? I disagree with the change. I think Steve Holden is right. 1- How do you enforce this? 2- Th

Re: Python 2.5 licensing: stop this change

2006-04-03 Thread Steve Holden
Philippe Martin wrote: > That was nasty Steve - at least I'm ready for any kind of bad new today ;-) > Sorry ;-) regards Steve -- Steve Holden +44 150 684 7255 +1 800 494 3119 Holden Web LLC/Ltd www.holdenweb.com Love me, love my blog holdenweb.blogspot.com --

Re: Python 2.5 licensing: stop this change

2006-04-03 Thread Philippe Martin
That was nasty Steve - at least I'm ready for any kind of bad new today ;-) Regards, Philippe Steve Holden wrote: > As the only director of the Python Software Foundation to vote against a > recent Board motion to implement the change in licensing terms described > i

Re: Python 2.5 licensing: stop this change

2006-04-03 Thread Tim Roberts
Steve Holden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >As the only director of the Python Software Foundation to vote against a >recent Board motion to implement the change in licensing terms described in > > http://pyfound.blogspot.com/2006/04/python-25-licensing-change.html > >

Re: Python 2.5 licensing: stop this change

2006-04-01 Thread Fredrik Lundh
"walterbyrd" wrote: > Please post a link to the original article. Not just a post to a blog. the pyfound blog is the official PSF blog; it's linked from the PSF:s homepage: http://www.python.org/psf/ -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Python 2.5 licensing: stop this change

2006-04-01 Thread Ray
Steve Holden wrote: > Grant Edwards wrote: > > On 2006-04-01, walterbyrd <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > >>Is this an April fool's joke? > > > > > > Did you read the blog entry? > > > I suspect he didn't. I'm guessing that eventually we'll have to remove > the blog entry just so's nobobdy's t

Re: Python 2.5 licensing: stop this change

2006-04-01 Thread Steve Holden
Grant Edwards wrote: > On 2006-04-01, walterbyrd <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >>Is this an April fool's joke? > > > Did you read the blog entry? > I suspect he didn't. I'm guessing that eventually we'll have to remove the blog entry just so's nobobdy's tempted to take it seriously. regards

Re: Python 2.5 licensing: stop this change

2006-04-01 Thread Steve Holden
Grant Edwards wrote: > On 2006-04-01, Steve Holden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >>As the only director of the Python Software Foundation to vote against a >>recent Board motion to implement the change in licensing terms described in >> >> http://pyfound.blog

Re: Python 2.5 licensing: stop this change

2006-04-01 Thread Bruno Desthuilliers
Grant Edwards a écrit : > On 2006-04-01, Steve Holden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >>As the only director of the Python Software Foundation to vote against a >>recent Board motion to implement the change in licensing terms described in >> >> http://py

Re: Python 2.5 licensing: stop this change

2006-04-01 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2006-04-01, walterbyrd <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Is this an April fool's joke? Did you read the blog entry? -- Grant Edwards grante Yow! I will invent "TIDY at BOWL"... visi.com

Re: Python 2.5 licensing: stop this change

2006-04-01 Thread walterbyrd
Is this an April fool's joke? Please post a link to the original article. Not just a post to a blog. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Python 2.5 licensing: stop this change

2006-04-01 Thread EP
ide, I should mention that I have countered the announced licensing change with a patent application for the use of 3, 4, or 5 spaces as an indent for purposes of establishing a code block. I have written a tidy little program that will count indent spaces in all Python programs and expect

Re: Python 2.5 licensing: stop this change

2006-04-01 Thread Martin P. Hellwig
Fuzzyman wrote: > From the site: "Advanced Program for Research In Licensing, whose First Object-Oriented License" string = "Advanced Program for Research In Licensing, whose First Object-Oriented License" for letter in string: if ord(letter) in range(65,91)

Re: Python 2.5 licensing: stop this change

2006-04-01 Thread reedobrien
That isn't in the published 2.5 License. http://docs.python.org/dev/ref/node110.html Thanks for the scare.. ~r -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Python 2.5 licensing: stop this change

2006-04-01 Thread Roy Smith
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Steve Holden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > As the only director of the Python Software Foundation to vote against a > recent Board motion to implement the change in licensing terms described in > >http://pyfound.blogspot.com/200

Re: Python 2.5 licensing: stop this change

2006-04-01 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2006-04-01, Piet van Oostrum <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> "Fuzzyman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> (F) wrote: > >>F> Can I ask for clarification. The charge applies to any commercial use >>F> of a derivative work based on the Python source code ? > >>F> Normal applications that use Python, including

Re: Python 2.5 licensing: stop this change

2006-04-01 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2006-04-01, Steve Holden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > As the only director of the Python Software Foundation to vote against a > recent Board motion to implement the change in licensing terms described in > >http://pyfound.blogspot.com/2006/04/python-25-licensing-cha

Re: Python 2.5 licensing: stop this change

2006-04-01 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Look at the date. Worry about this if it is still around tomarrow -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Python 2.5 licensing: stop this change

2006-04-01 Thread Kent Johnson
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Aww, but I liked the idea of copying Perl 6 REs, and porting python to > the toy CPU :-) I think if PSF is going to support porting of Python to "toy" CPUs then the Digi-Comp should be the first target. This will breathe new life into these toys which for years have be

Re: Python 2.5 licensing: stop this change

2006-04-01 Thread bearophileHUGS
Ivan Herman>I would certainly look at *all details* of the announcement,< Aww, but I liked the idea of copying Perl 6 REs, and porting python to the toy CPU :-) (But making strings mutable sounds too much strange). Bye and thank you, bearophile -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-

Re: Python 2.5 licensing: stop this change

2006-04-01 Thread Ivan Herman
I would certainly look at *all details* of the announcement, including the second line from the top which gives the date:-) Ivan Caleb Hattingh wrote: > WAIT- > > Did I just get caught by an April Fools Joke? > > I have a nasty feeling about this :)) > > C > -- http://mail.python.org/mailma

Re: Python 2.5 licensing: stop this change

2006-04-01 Thread Piet van Oostrum
> "Fuzzyman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> (F) wrote: >F> Can I ask for clarification. The charge applies to any commercial use >F> of a derivative work based on the Python source code ? >F> Normal applications that use Python, including bunding the standard >F> CPython as an executable, using tools li

Re: Python 2.5 licensing: stop this change

2006-04-01 Thread Caleb Hattingh
WAIT- Did I just get caught by an April Fools Joke? I have a nasty feeling about this :)) C -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Python 2.5 licensing: stop this change

2006-04-01 Thread Caleb Hattingh
ership in particular. >> Users who wish to make commercial >> use of Python on a royalty-free basis >> are encouraged to continue using Python 2.4, >> whose licensing conditions remain the same. I guess what would happen is that many people will sit on 2.4 for a lot

Re: Python 2.5 licensing: stop this change

2006-04-01 Thread Fuzzyman
Fuzzyman wrote: > Steve Holden wrote: > > As the only director of the Python Software Foundation to vote against a > > recent Board motion to implement the change in licensing terms described in > > > >http://pyfound.blogspot.com/2006/04/python-25-licensing-change.h

Re: Python 2.5 licensing: stop this change

2006-04-01 Thread Fuzzyman
Steve Holden wrote: > As the only director of the Python Software Foundation to vote against a > recent Board motion to implement the change in licensing terms described in > >http://pyfound.blogspot.com/2006/04/python-25-licensing-change.html > > I would like to place on

Re: Python 2.5 licensing: stop this change

2006-04-01 Thread Shane Hathaway
Steve Holden wrote: > As the only director of the Python Software Foundation to vote against a > recent Board motion to implement the change in licensing terms described in > >http://pyfound.blogspot.com/2006/04/python-25-licensing-change.html I must saay that i am fully in f

Re: Python 2.5 licensing: stop this change

2006-04-01 Thread Kay Schluehr
Steve Holden wrote: > As the only director of the Python Software Foundation to vote against a > recent Board motion to implement the change in licensing terms described in > >http://pyfound.blogspot.com/2006/04/python-25-licensing-change.html > > I would like to place on

Re: Python 2.5 licensing: stop this change

2006-04-01 Thread ajones
I say good riddence. Python's success has always been on its merits as an open source application platform. Corprate usage has always been relatively insignificant, and I suspect that many companies are overrepresenting the level of dependance they have on python in an attempt to steer their compet

Python 2.5 licensing: stop this change

2006-03-31 Thread Steve Holden
As the only director of the Python Software Foundation to vote against a recent Board motion to implement the change in licensing terms described in http://pyfound.blogspot.com/2006/04/python-25-licensing-change.html I would like to place on record my protest against this change. I think it

Licensing question

2006-03-09 Thread Christian Ehrlicher
Hi, I've got a question about your python license. For the (lgpl'd) kdewin32 - layer (some unix functions for kdelibs4/win32) I need a mmap implementation. Can I use your code within kdewin32-lib? I don't think that the resulting code will contain a lot of similarities with your code (apart from t

Re: Xah's Edu Corner: Responsible Software Licensing

2005-12-24 Thread Rich Teer
On Fri, 23 Dec 2005, Xah Lee wrote: His usual clap trap. ___ /| /| | | ||__|| | Please do | / O O\__ NOT |

Re: Xah's Edu Corner: Responsible Software Licensing

2005-12-23 Thread Pascal Bourguignon
"Xah Lee" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > As i've indicated in the Responsible Licensing article, that today's > software come with disclaimers that essentially say the producer is not > liable even if the software don't work at all. It will be hard to >

Xah's Edu Corner: Responsible Software Licensing

2005-12-23 Thread Xah Lee
Responsible Software Licensing & Free Software Foundation Xah Lee, 2005-07 Dear Programers, I have always respected the Free Software Foundation (FSF) and its community. when i wrote the article a couple years ago on Responsible Software Licensing, i thought it might not be welcomed by

Re: Xah's Edu Corner: Responsible Software Licensing

2005-12-21 Thread robic0
On Mon, 19 Dec 2005 10:05:59 GMT, Roedy Green <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >On Sun, 18 Dec 2005 18:42:52 -0800, robic0 wrote, quoted or indirectly >quoted someone who said : > >>If the software opens a file and is in the middle of writing to it, >>then the user dumps the power to the machine and end

Re: Xah's Edu Corner: Responsible Software Licensing

2005-12-19 Thread Roedy Green
On Sun, 18 Dec 2005 18:42:52 -0800, robic0 wrote, quoted or indirectly quoted someone who said : >If the software opens a file and is in the middle of writing to it, >then the user dumps the power to the machine and ends up having to >reformat, thereby losing all his data, at what point does the

Reliable software [was Re: Xah's Edu Corner: Responsible Software Licensing]

2005-12-19 Thread Steven D'Aprano
robic0 wrote about software liabilities: > If the software opens a file and is in the middle of writing to it, > then the user dumps the power to the machine and ends up having to > reformat, thereby losing all his data, at what point does the > liability stop? And how is fault proven or dished o

Re: Xah's Edu Corner: Responsible Software Licensing

2005-12-18 Thread robic0
On Sun, 18 Dec 2005 11:47:29 +0100, "Martin P. Hellwig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >Xah Lee wrote: > >Nice rant, btw in most EU countries the software creator can not >withdraw the responsibility of his/her/it creation, regardless of what >the disclaimer says. Pretty big damned statement there

Re: Xah's Edu Corner: Responsible Software Licensing

2005-12-18 Thread robic0
On Sat, 17 Dec 2005 11:27:58 +, Mark Carter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >robic0 wrote: > >> Xah, please admit to me that your under the influence of >> physocopic drugs! > >He could be schizophrenic. > >Seekers of all things wierd on the internet can do no better than Gene >Ray's Timecube:

Re: Xah's Edu Corner: Responsible Software Licensing

2005-12-18 Thread Martin P. Hellwig
Ulrich Hobelmann wrote: > > The piece that a European programmer can never withdraw responsibility > could be a big problem to open-source software, though. I'm not sure > I'd want to freely publish anything that could result in liability for me. > Not that big of a problem, in EU a user is s

Re: Xah's Edu Corner: Responsible Software Licensing

2005-12-18 Thread Ulrich Hobelmann
Martin P. Hellwig wrote: > Xah Lee wrote: > > Nice rant, btw in most EU countries the software creator can not > withdraw the responsibility of his/her/it creation, regardless of what > the disclaimer says. The law is the leading authority and not some > Disclaimer/EULA, that's why most US EULA

Re: Xah's Edu Corner: Responsible Software Licensing

2005-12-18 Thread Martin P. Hellwig
Xah Lee wrote: Nice rant, btw in most EU countries the software creator can not withdraw the responsibility of his/her/it creation, regardless of what the disclaimer says. The law is the leading authority and not some Disclaimer/EULA, that's why most US EULA's are unauthoritative in the EU. --

Re: Xah's Edu Corner: Responsible Software Licensing

2005-12-17 Thread Eric J. Roode
robic0 wrote in news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]: > On 16 Dec 2005 16:52:43 -0800, "Xah Lee" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >>Responsible Software Licensing >&

Re: Xah's Edu Corner: Responsible Software Licensing

2005-12-17 Thread Gunnar Hjalmarsson
Roedy Green wrote: > On Sat, 17 Dec 2005 10:34:21 -0500, "Matt Garrish" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote, quoted or indirectly quoted > someone who said : > >>Please do us all the favour of taking a basic literacy course. You aren't >>even close half the time, which just confirms you're a halfwit. >

Re: Xah's Edu Corner: Responsible Software Licensing

2005-12-17 Thread Roedy Green
On Sat, 17 Dec 2005 10:34:21 -0500, "Matt Garrish" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote, quoted or indirectly quoted someone who said : >Please do us all the favour of taking a basic literacy course. You aren't >even close half the time, which just confirms you're a halfwit. are you bawling out robico or X

Re: Xah's Edu Corner: Responsible Software Licensing

2005-12-17 Thread Matt Garrish
wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > On 16 Dec 2005 16:52:43 -0800, "Xah Lee" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > physocopic drugs! > Please do us all the favour of taking a basic literacy course. You aren't even close half the time, which just confirms you're a halfwit. Matt -- http://mai

Re: Xah's Edu Corner: Responsible Software Licensing

2005-12-17 Thread Mark Carter
robic0 wrote: > Xah, please admit to me that your under the influence of > physocopic drugs! He could be schizophrenic. Seekers of all things wierd on the internet can do no better than Gene Ray's Timecube: http://www.timecube.com/ His outpourings are so well known that he even gets a menti

Re: Xah's Edu Corner: Responsible Software Licensing

2005-12-17 Thread robic0
On Sat, 17 Dec 2005 09:55:10 +0100, Gunnar Hjalmarsson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >robic0 wrote: >> Xah Lee wrote: >>> >>> >> >> > >So, at last they found one another. :( Thanks for the coaching Gunnar !!! -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Xah's Edu Corner: Responsible Software Licensing

2005-12-17 Thread Gunnar Hjalmarsson
robic0 wrote: > Xah Lee wrote: >> >> > > So, at last they found one another. :( -- Gunnar Hjalmarsson Email: http://www.gunnar.cc/cgi-bin/contact.pl -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Xah's Edu Corner: Responsible Software Licensing

2005-12-17 Thread robic0
On 16 Dec 2005 16:52:43 -0800, "Xah Lee" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >Responsible Software Licensing > >Xah Lee, 200307 > >Software is a interesting invention. Software has this interesting Soft, like your head >property, that it can be duplicated without cost,

Re: Xah's Edu Corner: Responsible Software Licensing

2005-12-16 Thread Xah Lee
Responsible Software Licensing Xah Lee, 200307 Software is a interesting invention. Software has this interesting property, that it can be duplicated without cost, as if like copying money. Never in history are goods duplicable without cost. But with the invention of computer, the ephemeral non

Re: Licensing and Other Questions

2005-08-26 Thread David MacQuigg
On Sat, 27 Aug 2005 01:35:58 +0300, Christos Georgiou <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >Your method is/will_not be free (as in beer), as hinted in >http://www.ece.arizona.edu/~edatools/home/email/registry/Form-Sender01.htm >. *That* is a drawback similar to the licensing of the Micr

Re: Licensing Python code under the Python license

2005-03-14 Thread Leif K-Brooks
Harlin Seritt wrote: If this is for making money, make it either a proprietary license or BSD. If you're giving it away and expect nothing for it except maybe fame, do GPL. You're kidding, right? How does the BSD license possibly offer more protection for a commercial program than the GPL does? --

Re: Licensing Python code under the Python license

2005-03-14 Thread Daniel Dittmar
Leif K-Brooks wrote: Harlin Seritt wrote: If this is for making money, make it either a proprietary license or BSD. If you're giving it away and expect nothing for it except maybe fame, do GPL. You're kidding, right? How does the BSD license possibly offer more protection for a commercial program

Re: Licensing Python code under the Python license

2005-03-13 Thread "Martin v. Löwis"
JanC wrote: This is difficult to do right, if you have to consider all the laws in different countries... Right. So he points out that his explanations are for US copyright law only, and then that legislation even in different US states, or perhaps even in districts, might be different. Therefore,

Re: Licensing Python code under the Python license

2005-03-13 Thread JanC
Martin v. Löwis schreef: > Larry argues that a license should be legally meaningful, and > legally clear - or else there is little point in formulating > a license in the first place. This is difficult to do right, if you have to consider all the laws in different countries... -- JanC "Be str

Re: Licensing Python code under the Python license

2005-03-12 Thread "Martin v. Löwis"
Ville Vainio wrote: Daniel> Thanks for the advice. I'll probably go with either the Daniel> BSD license, or possibly the LGPL. But I'm leaning Daniel> towards the BSD since it fits on the screen... Isn't MIT license even shorter and simpler? A while ago some Debian guys were speculati

Re: Licensing Python code under the Python license

2005-03-12 Thread Harlin Seritt
When you ask an opinion, you can expect a long thread list... even if it's something inane like "What kind of license should I use?"... hacker/geeks/freaks/wannabes are only too happy to issue an opinion -- warranted or otherwise... Regards, Harlin Seritt -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listi

Re: Licensing Python code under the Python license

2005-03-12 Thread Harlin Seritt
If this is for making money, make it either a proprietary license or BSD. If you're giving it away and expect nothing for it except maybe fame, do GPL. :-) Regards, Harlin Seritt -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Licensing Python code under the Python license

2005-03-12 Thread Ville Vainio
> "Daniel" == Daniel Keep <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Daniel> Thanks for the advice. I'll probably go with either the Daniel> BSD license, or possibly the LGPL. But I'm leaning Daniel> towards the BSD since it fits on the screen... Isn't MIT license even shorter and simpler? A w

Re: Licensing Python code under the Python license

2005-03-12 Thread Daniel Keep
Wow. That was fast. PHP forums eat your heart out :P Thanks for the advice. I'll probably go with either the BSD license, or possibly the LGPL. But I'm leaning towards the BSD since it fits on the screen... -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Licensing Python code under the Python license

2005-03-11 Thread Robert Kern
Daniel Keep wrote: I'm currently working on a Python program, and was wondering if it's possible to license the program, some associated tools, and a few other libraries I've written under the Python license. I had a look at the new PSF Python license on the list of OSI-approved licenses, but it ma

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