Re: Is Unicode support so hard...

2013-04-21 Thread Mark Lawrence
On 21/04/2013 10:02, Terry Jan Reedy wrote: On 4/20/2013 9:37 PM, rusi wrote: I believe that the recent correction in unicode performance followed jmf's grumbles No, the correction followed upon his accurate report of a regression, last August, which was unfortunately mixed in with grumbles a

Re: Is Unicode support so hard...

2013-04-21 Thread Terry Jan Reedy
On 4/20/2013 9:37 PM, rusi wrote: I believe that the recent correction in unicode performance followed jmf's grumbles No, the correction followed upon his accurate report of a regression, last August, which was unfortunately mixed in with grumbles and inaccurate claims. Others separated out

Re: Is Unicode support so hard...

2013-04-20 Thread 88888 Dihedral
jmfauth於 2013年4月21日星期日UTC+8上午1時12分43秒寫道: > In a previous post, > > > > http://groups.google.com/group/comp.lang.python/browse_thread/thread/6aec70817705c226# > > , > > > > Chris “Kwpolska” Warrick wrote: > > > > “Is Unicode su

Re: Is Unicode support so hard...

2013-04-20 Thread Chris Angelico
On Sun, Apr 21, 2013 at 1:36 PM, Steven D'Aprano wrote: > On Sat, 20 Apr 2013 18:37:00 -0700, rusi wrote: > >> According to jmf python sucks up to ASCII (those big bad Americans… of >> whom Steven is the first…) > > Watch who you're calling an American, mate. I think he knows, and that's why he s

Re: Is Unicode support so hard...

2013-04-20 Thread Steven D'Aprano
On Sat, 20 Apr 2013 18:37:00 -0700, rusi wrote: > According to jmf python sucks up to ASCII (those big bad Americans… of > whom Steven is the first…) Watch who you're calling an American, mate. -- Steven -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Is Unicode support so hard...

2013-04-20 Thread rusi
On Apr 21, 4:03 am, Neil Hodgson wrote: >     Hi jmf, > > > This gives me plenty of ideas to test the "flexible string > > representation" (FSR). I should recognize this FSR is failing > > particulary very well... > >     This is too vague for me. > >     Which string representation should Python

Re: Is Unicode support so hard...

2013-04-20 Thread Ethan Furman
On 04/20/2013 11:14 AM, Chris Angelico wrote: Flash forward to current date, and jmf has hijacked so many threads to moan about PEP 393 that I'm actually happy about this one, simply because he gave it a new subject line and one appropriate to a discussion about Unicode. +1000 -- http://mail.py

Re: Is Unicode support so hard...

2013-04-20 Thread Neil Hodgson
Hi jmf, This gives me plenty of ideas to test the "flexible string representation" (FSR). I should recognize this FSR is failing particulary very well... This is too vague for me. Which string representation should Python use? 1) UTF-32 2) UTF-8 3) Python 3.3 -- 1, 2, or 4 bytes per

Re: Is Unicode support so hard...

2013-04-20 Thread Mark Lawrence
Unicode support so hard, especially in the 21st century?” -- Unicode is not really complicate and it works very well (more than two decades of development if you take into account iso-14). But, - I can say, "as usual" - people prefer to spend their time to make a "better Unicode th

Re: Is Unicode support so hard...

2013-04-20 Thread Chris “Kwpolska” Warrick
up/comp.lang.python/browse_thread/thread/6aec70817705c226# >>> , >>> >>> Chris “Kwpolska” Warrick wrote: >>> >>> “Is Unicode support so hard, especially in the 21st century?” >>> >>> -- >>> >>> Unicode is not really complicate and

Re: Is Unicode support so hard...

2013-04-20 Thread Chris Angelico
On Sun, Apr 21, 2013 at 3:22 AM, Ned Batchelder wrote: > I'm totally confused about what you are saying. What does "make a better > Unicode than Unicode" mean? Are you saying that Python is guilty of this? > In what way? Can you provide specifics? Or are you saying that you like > how Python h

Re: Is Unicode support so hard...

2013-04-20 Thread Benjamin Kaplan
On Sat, Apr 20, 2013 at 10:22 AM, Ned Batchelder wrote: > On 4/20/2013 1:12 PM, jmfauth wrote: >> >> In a previous post, >> >> >> http://groups.google.com/group/comp.lang.python/browse_thread/thread/6aec70817705c226# >> , >> >> Chris “Kwpolsk

Re: Is Unicode support so hard...

2013-04-20 Thread Ned Batchelder
On 4/20/2013 1:12 PM, jmfauth wrote: In a previous post, http://groups.google.com/group/comp.lang.python/browse_thread/thread/6aec70817705c226# , Chris “Kwpolska” Warrick wrote: “Is Unicode support so hard, especially in the 21st century?” -- Unicode is not really complicate and it works

Is Unicode support so hard...

2013-04-20 Thread jmfauth
In a previous post, http://groups.google.com/group/comp.lang.python/browse_thread/thread/6aec70817705c226# , Chris “Kwpolska” Warrick wrote: “Is Unicode support so hard, especially in the 21st century?” -- Unicode is not really complicate and it works very well (more than two decades of