On 2013-07-12, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
> On Thu, 11 Jul 2013 09:45:33 -0400, Roy Smith wrote:
>
>> In article <2fdf282e-fd28-4ba3-8c83-ce120...@googlegroups.com>,
>> jus...@zeusedit.com wrote:
>>
>>> On Wednesday, July 10, 2013 2:17:12 PM UTC+10, Xue Fuqiao wrote:
>>>
>>> > * It is especiall
On Fri, 12 Jul 2013 18:34:30 -0400, Dennis Lee Bieber
wrote:
Sounds like you might have liked an accessory I had on my Amiga.
Basically a proportional joystick feeding an interface box which
converted
the position value into a sequence of mouse movements --
sounds very cool. Alt
On Fri, 12 Jul 2013 00:24:26 -0400, Steven D'Aprano
wrote:
Frankly, nothing comes even close to a real mouse for feedback and ease
of use. Maybe a stylus. But that's it.
before tremors, I would agree with you. Stylus is amazingly good tool for
user interaction in a GUI. After tremors, not
On Fri, Jul 12, 2013 at 2:24 PM, Steven D'Aprano
wrote:
> On Fri, 12 Jul 2013 01:50:17 +1000, Chris Angelico wrote:
>
>> On Fri, Jul 12, 2013 at 1:42 AM, Paul Rudin
>> wrote:
>>> Text selection with a mouse is a different thing. Sometimes it's more
>>> convenient, sometimes it's not.
>>
>> As scr
On Fri, 12 Jul 2013 01:50:17 +1000, Chris Angelico wrote:
> On Fri, Jul 12, 2013 at 1:42 AM, Paul Rudin
> wrote:
>> Text selection with a mouse is a different thing. Sometimes it's more
>> convenient, sometimes it's not.
>
> As screens get larger and the amount of text on them increases, it's
>
On Fri, Jul 12, 2013 at 12:39 PM, Steven D'Aprano
wrote:
> Big deal. I am utterly unconvinced that raw typing speed is even close to
> a bottleneck when programming. Data entry and transcribing from (say)
> dictated text, yes. Coding, not unless you are a one-fingered hunt-and-
> peek typist. The
On Thu, 11 Jul 2013 09:45:33 -0400, Roy Smith wrote:
> In article <2fdf282e-fd28-4ba3-8c83-ce120...@googlegroups.com>,
> jus...@zeusedit.com wrote:
>
>> On Wednesday, July 10, 2013 2:17:12 PM UTC+10, Xue Fuqiao wrote:
>>
>> > * It is especially handy for selecting and deleting text.
>>
>>
On Fri, Jul 12, 2013 at 1:42 AM, Paul Rudin wrote:
> Text selection with a mouse is a different thing. Sometimes it's
> more convenient, sometimes it's not.
As screens get larger and the amount of text on them increases, it's
likely to get more and more useful to use a mouse... but personally, I
Roy Smith writes:
> This is why I never understood the attraction of something like
> xemacs, where you use the mouse to make text selections and run
> commands out of menus.
Menus are good for learning the functionality, and you have them just as
much in Gnu emacs as in xemacs. You can even us
In article <2fdf282e-fd28-4ba3-8c83-ce120...@googlegroups.com>,
jus...@zeusedit.com wrote:
> On Wednesday, July 10, 2013 2:17:12 PM UTC+10, Xue Fuqiao wrote:
>
> > * It is especially handy for selecting and deleting text.
>
> When coding I never use a mouse to select text regions or to dele
On Wednesday, July 10, 2013 2:17:12 PM UTC+10, Xue Fuqiao wrote:
> * It is especially handy for selecting and deleting text.
When coding I never use a mouse to select text regions or to delete text.
These operations I do using just the keyboard.
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On Mon, Jul 8, 2013 at 2:54 PM, Giorgos Tzampanakis
wrote:
> On 2013-07-06, Skip Montanaro wrote:
>> * movement between the mouse and the keyboard
>
> Avoid at all costs. Use an editor that never needs the mouse (emacs or
> vim).
I don't use vim often, but for Emacs, I think mouse is often needed
On 7/9/2013 8:12 AM, Neil Cerutti wrote:
On 2013-07-09, Jason Friedman wrote:
I am right-handed and use a lefty-mouse about 50% of the time.
It was difficult at first, now I'm almost as fast lefty as
righty. As has been stated by others, changing the muscles
being used reduces the impact on any
On 2013-07-09, Jason Friedman wrote:
> I am right-handed and use a lefty-mouse about 50% of the time.
> It was difficult at first, now I'm almost as fast lefty as
> righty. As has been stated by others, changing the muscles
> being used reduces the impact on any one of them.
That's the system I'v
I am right-handed and use a lefty-mouse about 50% of the time.
It was difficult at first, now I'm almost as fast lefty as righty.
As has been stated by others, changing the muscles being used reduces the
impact on any one of them.
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On Sat, 06 Jul 2013 16:04:00 +0100, rusi wrote:
On Saturday, July 6, 2013 7:40:39 PM UTC+5:30, Skip Montanaro wrote:
* a lot of typing,
* use of modifier keys (ctrl, alt, command, etc)
* movement between the mouse and the keyboard
My own experience: The second 2 are the worse culprits.
And w
> Wasn't it C-x ( ? From the manual
>
>In addition to the and commands described above, Emacs
> also supports an older set of key bindings for defining and executing
> keyboard macros. To begin a macro definition, type `C-x ('
> (`kmacro-start-macro'); as with , a prefix argument appends th
On Mon, Jul 08 2013,Skip Montanaro wrote:
>>> I couldn't live without the keyboard macro record and playback.
>>
>> I used to work with a programmer who couldn't live without his insulin
>> injections.
>
> Hyperbole aside, two of my most common "crutches" are Emacs macros and
> bash history. Give
>> I couldn't live without the keyboard macro record and playback.
>
> I used to work with a programmer who couldn't live without his insulin
> injections.
Hyperbole aside, two of my most common "crutches" are Emacs macros and
bash history. Given how useful macros are, I find it very odd that
rec
On Sun, 07 Jul 2013 22:34:46 -0700, jussij wrote:
> On Sunday, July 7, 2013 12:41:02 PM UTC+10, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
>
>> I am not an ergonomic expert, but I understand that moving from mouse
>> to keyboard actually helps prevent RSI, because it slows down the rate
>> of keystrokes and uses dif
On 2013-07-06, Skip Montanaro wrote:
> More likely, rms ignored the problem and had bad personal ergomonics:
> ignorance or lack of understanding of the problem, poor posture,
> wrists not in a neutral position, lack of breaks, etc. If you stop to
> think about it, all text editors probably prese
On Sun, 07 Jul 2013 23:16:39 -0700, jussij wrote:
> I couldn't live without the keyboard macro record and playback.
I used to work with a programmer who couldn't live without his insulin
injections.
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On Thursday, July 4, 2013 5:32:59 PM UTC+10, cutems93 wrote:
> I am researching on editors for my own reference.
On the Windows platform there is the Zeus editor:
http://www.zeusedit.com/python.html
It does the standard syntax highlighting, code folding and smarting indent etc
etc.
It's also
On Sunday, July 7, 2013 12:41:02 PM UTC+10, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
> I am not an ergonomic expert, but I understand that moving from mouse to
> keyboard actually helps prevent RSI, because it slows down the rate of
> keystrokes and uses different muscle groups.
After 20+ years of coding using t
On Sat, 06 Jul 2013 09:10:39 -0500, Skip Montanaro wrote:
>> The fact that rms has crippling RSI should indicate that emacs'
>> ergonomics is not right.
>
> Kind of a small sample size, don't you think?
Yes, but RMS is worth 1000 ordinary programmers!!!
*wink*
[...]
> More likely, rms ignore
On Sat, Jul 6, 2013 at 9:04 AM, rusi wrote:
> On Saturday, July 6, 2013 7:40:39 PM UTC+5:30, Skip Montanaro wrote:
>> > The fact that rms has crippling RSI should indicate that
>> > emacs' ergonomics is not right.
>>
>> Kind of a small sample size, don't you think? Hopefully we can kill
>> this me
On Saturday, July 6, 2013 7:40:39 PM UTC+5:30, Skip Montanaro wrote:
> > The fact that rms has crippling RSI should indicate that
> > emacs' ergonomics is not right.
>
> Kind of a small sample size, don't you think? Hopefully we can kill
> this meme that Emacs is somehow worse for your wrists than
On Sun, Jul 7, 2013 at 12:10 AM, Skip Montanaro wrote:
> If you stop to
> think about it, all text editors probably present similar issues for
> their users. They all involve:
>
> * a lot of typing,
> * use of modifier keys (ctrl, alt, command, etc)
> * movement between the mouse and the keyboard
> The fact that rms has crippling RSI should indicate that
> emacs' ergonomics is not right.
Kind of a small sample size, don't you think? Hopefully we can kill
this meme that Emacs is somehow worse for your wrists than other text
editors before it goes any further than your one unsupported
assert
On Fri, 05 Jul 2013 23:13:24 -0400, Rustom Mody wrote:Yes...The fact that rms has crippling RSI should indicate that emacs' ergonomics is not right.
As someone crippled by Emacs ( actual cause not known), I should also point out that RMS, instead of doing the responsible thing and using speech re
On Sat, Jul 6, 2013 at 12:22 PM, Eric S. Johansson wrote:
> **
> On Fri, 05 Jul 2013 23:13:24 -0400, Rustom Mody
> wrote:
>
> Yes...
> The fact that rms has crippling RSI should indicate that emacs' ergonomics
> is not right.
>
>
>
> As someone crippled by Emacs ( actual cause not known), I shou
On 6 July 2013 06:19, rusi wrote:
> On Saturday, July 6, 2013 10:05:14 AM UTC+5:30, Joshua Landau wrote:
>> I never got why Vi doesn't support Ctrl-C by default -- it's not like
>> it's a used key-combination and it would have helped me so many times
>> when I was younger.
>
> Dunno what you are r
On Saturday, July 6, 2013 10:05:14 AM UTC+5:30, Joshua Landau wrote:
> I never got why Vi doesn't support Ctrl-C by default -- it's not like
> it's a used key-combination and it would have helped me so many times
> when I was younger.
Dunno what you are referring to.
Out here C-c gets vi out of in
On 6 July 2013 04:25, Roy Smith wrote:
> In article ,
> Rustom Mody wrote:
>
>> > I'm a vi user. Once I mastered "hit ESC by reflex when you pause
>> > typing an insert" I was never confused above which mode I was in.
>> >
>> > And now my fingers know vi.
>
> All the vi you need to know:
>
> :
In article ,
Rustom Mody wrote:
> > I'm a vi user. Once I mastered "hit ESC by reflex when you pause
> > typing an insert" I was never confused above which mode I was in.
> >
> > And now my fingers know vi.
All the vi you need to know:
: q !
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On Sat, Jul 6, 2013 at 4:36 AM, Cameron Simpson wrote:
> While I started with vi just slightly before encountering emacs
> (mid-to-late 1980s, both), my main trouble with choosing emacs was
> the heavy use of control keys. Vi's modal nature means that in
> "edit" mode, all the keystrokes are avai
On 05Jul2013 05:12, rusi wrote:
| On Thursday, July 4, 2013 1:37:10 PM UTC+5:30, Göktuğ Kayaalp wrote:
| > Programmability comes to my mind, before anything else. I'd suggest
| > to find out about designs of Emacs and Vi(m).
|
| There's one reason I prefer emacs -- and I guess some people
| pref
On 2013-07-04, Ferrous Cranus wrote:
> 4/7/2013 9:40 , ??/?? Grant Edwards :
>> On 2013-07-04, ?? wrote:
>>>
>>> If you guys want to use it i can send you a patch for it. I know its
>>> illegal thing to say but it will help you use it without buying it.
>>
>> A ne
On Thursday, July 4, 2013 1:37:10 PM UTC+5:30, Göktuğ Kayaalp wrote:
> Programmability comes to my mind, before anything else. I'd suggest
> to find out about designs of Emacs and Vi(m).
There's one reason I prefer emacs -- and I guess some people prefer Idle -- the
interpreter and editor are ti
Am Donnerstag, 4. Juli 2013 11:14:38 UTC+2 schrieb Νίκος Gr33k:
> ...
>> On 07/04/2013 03:59 AM, Νίκος wrote:
>>> ...
>>> Download Sublime Text v3
>>> Is a great editor
>>> ...
>
> If you guys want to use it i can send you a patch for it.
> I know its illegal thing to say but it will help you use
Στις 4/7/2013 10:59 πμ, ο/η Νίκος έγραψε:
Στις 4/7/2013 10:32 πμ, ο/η cutems93 έγραψε:
I am researching on editors for my own reference. I found that each of
them has some features that other don't, but I am not sure which
features are significant/necessary for a GOOD editor. What features do
yo
Programmability comes to my mind, before anything else. I'd suggest
to find out about designs of Emacs and Vi(m).
On Thu, Jul 4, 2013 at 10:32 AM, cutems93 wrote:
> I am researching on editors for my own reference. I found that each of them
> has some features that other don't, but I am not sur
On 7/4/2013 2:52 PM, Ferrous Cranus wrote:
Like you never downloaded serials/keygens/patch/cracks for warez and
torrents websites.
Morality aside, why would I? Today I bought 8 games on GOG.com for about
$22 - drm and virus free and easy download and install. If I get 10
hours of fun from 2
[ Digressing to tuning remote access. Sorry. - Cameron ]
On 04Jul2013 21:50, Roy Smith wrote:
| Does Sublime have some sort of remote mode? We've got one guy who loves
| it, but needs to work on a remote machine (i.e. in AWS). I got X11
| working for him (he has a Mac desktop), so he can run
In article ,
Joshua Landau wrote:
[talking about Sublime Text]
> There's, instead of a scrollbar, a little "bird's-eye-view" of the
> whole code on the RHS.
I've never used it myself, but there's a couple of guys in the office
who do. I have to admit, this feature looks pretty neat.
Does Sub
On 07/04/2013 08:38 PM, Joshua Landau wrote:
On 4 July 2013 08:32, cutems93 wrote:
I am researching on editors for my own reference. I found that each of them has
some features that other don't, but I am not sure which features are
significant/necessary for a GOOD editor. What features do you
On 4 July 2013 08:32, cutems93 wrote:
> I am researching on editors for my own reference. I found that each of them
> has some features that other don't, but I am not sure which features are
> significant/necessary for a GOOD editor. What features do you a good editor
> should have? Keyboard sh
On Thu, Jul 4, 2013 at 2:52 PM, Ferrous Cranus wrote:
> Στις 4/7/2013 9:40 μμ, ο/η Grant Edwards έγραψε:
>
> On 2013-07-04, ?? wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> If you guys want to use it i can send you a patch for it. I know its
>>> illegal thing to say but it will help you use it without buying it.
>
On Fri, Jul 5, 2013 at 4:52 AM, Ferrous Cranus wrote:
> Στις 4/7/2013 9:40 μμ, ο/η Grant Edwards έγραψε:
>
>> On 2013-07-04, ?? wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> If you guys want to use it i can send you a patch for it. I know its
>>> illegal thing to say but it will help you use it without buying it.
>
On 2013-07-04 15:24, MRAB wrote:
> On 04/07/2013 14:22, Tim Chase wrote:
> > Other nice-to-haves include
> >
> > - Unicode support (including various encodings)
>
> It's 2013, yet Unicode support is merely a "nice-to-have"?
Yeah, while I use Vim and it's got support, most of what I do
interacts w
Στις 4/7/2013 9:40 μμ, ο/η Grant Edwards έγραψε:
On 2013-07-04, ?? wrote:
If you guys want to use it i can send you a patch for it. I know its
illegal thing to say but it will help you use it without buying it.
A new low. Now he's offering to help people steal others' work.
Like y
On 2013-07-04, ?? wrote:
>
> If you guys want to use it i can send you a patch for it. I know its
> illegal thing to say but it will help you use it without buying it.
A new low. Now he's offering to help people steal others' work.
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To Rurpy and cutems93,
My apologies too. I reacted before I thought about creating a new thread.
To your question: One thing that I don't use daily but find very useful to
have in an editor is 'Hex View' (or better yet a 'Hex Editor').
Whilst it has been 'dissed' recently on this list, I like
On 07/04/2013 08:24 AM, MRAB wrote:
> On 04/07/2013 14:22, Tim Chase wrote:
>> On 2013-07-04 05:02, Dave Angel wrote:
>> [snip an excellent list of things to look for in an editor]
> It's 2013, yet Unicode support is merely a "nice-to-have"?
I agree that this is pretty important. Even if you do
On Thu, 04 Jul 2013 07:02:26 -0700, rusi wrote:
> On Thursday, July 4, 2013 7:03:19 PM UTC+5:30, Steve Simmons wrote:
>> Boy oh boy! You really are a slow learner Nicos. You have just offered
>> to commit a crime and to include dozens of others in that crime ON A
>> PUBLIC FORUM. Please think befo
On Thu, 04 Jul 2013 12:01:26 +0100, Robert Kern wrote:
> On 2013-07-04 10:14, Νίκος wrote:
>
>> If you guys want to use it i can send you a patch for it. I know its
>> illegal thing to say but it will help you use it without buying it.
>
> Please do not use this forum to make such offers.
Than
rusi wrote:
>On Thursday, July 4, 2013 7:03:19 PM UTC+5:30, Steve Simmons wrote:
>> Boy oh boy! You really are a slow learner Nicos. You have just
>offered to
>> commit a crime and to include dozens of others in that crime ON A
>PUBLIC
>> FORUM. Please think before you post.
>
>For the record
On Jul 4, 2013, at 9:22 AM, Tim Chase wrote:
> On 2013-07-04 05:02, Dave Angel wrote:
> [snip an excellent list of things to look for in an editor]
>
> Also,
>
> - the ability to perform changes in bulk, especially across files.
> Often, this is done with the ability to record/playback macros
On 04/07/2013 14:22, Tim Chase wrote:
On 2013-07-04 05:02, Dave Angel wrote:
[snip an excellent list of things to look for in an editor]
Also,
- the ability to perform changes in bulk, especially across files.
Often, this is done with the ability to record/playback macros,
though some edi
On Thursday, July 4, 2013 7:03:19 PM UTC+5:30, Steve Simmons wrote:
> Boy oh boy! You really are a slow learner Nicos. You have just offered to
> commit a crime and to include dozens of others in that crime ON A PUBLIC
> FORUM. Please think before you post.
For the record Steve, let me say, I f
Am Donnerstag, 4. Juli 2013 15:36:02 UTC+2 schrieb Νίκος Γκρ33κ:
> Στις 4/7/2013 4:33 μμ, ο/η Steve Simmons έγραψε:
>> "Νίκος" wrote:
>>> Στις 4/7/2013 11:34 πμ, ο/η Dave Angel έγραψε:
On 07/04/2013 03:59 AM, Νίκος wrote:
> ...
> Download Sublime Text v3
>
Στις 4/7/2013 4:33 μμ, ο/η Steve Simmons έγραψε:
"Νίκος" wrote:
Στις 4/7/2013 11:34 πμ, ο/η Dave Angel έγραψε:
On 07/04/2013 03:59 AM, Νίκος wrote:
Στις 4/7/2013 10:32 πμ, ο/η cutems93 έγραψε:
I am researching on editors for my own reference. I
"Νίκος" wrote:
>Στις 4/7/2013 11:34 πμ, ο/η Dave Angel έγραψε:
>> On 07/04/2013 03:59 AM, Νίκος wrote:
>>> Στις 4/7/2013 10:32 πμ, ο/η cutems93 έγραψε:
I am researching on editors for my own reference. I found that each
>of
them has some features that other don't, but I am not sure whic
On 2013-07-04 05:02, Dave Angel wrote:
[snip an excellent list of things to look for in an editor]
Also,
- the ability to perform changes in bulk, especially across files.
Often, this is done with the ability to record/playback macros,
though some editors have multiple insertion/edit cursors
On 2013-07-04 10:14, Νίκος wrote:
If you guys want to use it i can send you a patch for it.
I know its illegal thing to say but it will help you use it without buying it.
Please do not use this forum to make such offers.
--
Robert Kern
"I have come to believe that the whole world is an enigm
On Thu, Jul 4, 2013 at 7:14 PM, Νίκος wrote:
> If you guys want to use it i can send you a patch for it.
> I know its illegal thing to say but it will help you use it without buying
> it.
Considering that there are plenty of free text editors around, I don't
see any reason to steal one. If you wa
Στις 4/7/2013 11:34 πμ, ο/η Dave Angel έγραψε:
On 07/04/2013 03:59 AM, Νίκος wrote:
Στις 4/7/2013 10:32 πμ, ο/η cutems93 έγραψε:
I am researching on editors for my own reference. I found that each of
them has some features that other don't, but I am not sure which
features are significant/neces
On 07/04/2013 03:32 AM, cutems93 wrote:
I am researching on editors for my own reference. I found that each of them has
some features that other don't, but I am not sure which features are
significant/necessary for a GOOD editor. What features do you a good editor
should have? Keyboard shortcu
On 07/04/2013 03:59 AM, Νίκος wrote:
Στις 4/7/2013 10:32 πμ, ο/η cutems93 έγραψε:
I am researching on editors for my own reference. I found that each of
them has some features that other don't, but I am not sure which
features are significant/necessary for a GOOD editor. What features do
you a g
Στις 4/7/2013 10:32 πμ, ο/η cutems93 έγραψε:
I am researching on editors for my own reference. I found that each of them has
some features that other don't, but I am not sure which features are
significant/necessary for a GOOD editor. What features do you a good editor
should have? Keyboard sh
I am researching on editors for my own reference. I found that each of them has
some features that other don't, but I am not sure which features are
significant/necessary for a GOOD editor. What features do you a good editor
should have? Keyboard shortcuts? Extensions?
Thanks!
Min
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