Re: Guido van Rossum resigns as Python leader

2018-07-14 Thread Etienne Robillard
I'm really sad to hear that news! Python is the language which made me gain the most skills in modern software programming ever! I have not encountered a better programming language than Python for quickly becoming a mature developer! I just hope the Python software foundation will continue

Re: Guido van Rossum resigns as Python leader

2018-07-14 Thread Tim Daneliuk
On 07/14/2018 10:16 AM, Skip Montanaro wrote: >> Is it irrational to wonder whether projects should be looking to migrate to >> new languages? This kind of announcement makes me worry for the future. > > Umm, yeah. The language is stable, widely used packages are stable. > Guido actually has littl

Re: Guido van Rossum resigns as Python leader

2018-07-14 Thread Skip Montanaro
> Is it irrational to wonder whether projects should be looking to migrate to > new languages? This kind of announcement makes me worry for the future. Umm, yeah. The language is stable, widely used packages are stable. Guido actually has little involvement in the larger Python ecosystem. It's not

Re: Guido van Rossum resigns as Python leader

2018-07-14 Thread Thomas Jollans
On 13/07/18 00:20, Roel Schroeven wrote: > Yes, you read that right: Guido van Rossum resigns as Python leader. > > See his mail: > (https://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-committers/2018-July/005664.html) Thanks for posting this here, Roel. Much appreciated. Guido has been fanta

Re: OT Why Germany? [was Re: Guido van Rossum resigns as Python leader]

2018-07-14 Thread Larry Martell
On Sat, Jul 14, 2018 at 3:11 AM Steven D'Aprano < steve+comp.lang.pyt...@pearwood.info> wrote: > On Sat, 14 Jul 2018 07:41:43 +, Bob Martin wrote: > > > in 796624 20180714 064331 Gregory Ewing > > wrote: > >>Larry Martell wrote: > >>> And while we're talking about the Dutch, why is the countr

Re: Guido van Rossum resigns as Python leader

2018-07-14 Thread Jan van den Broek
On 2018-07-13, Larry Martell wrote: [Schnipp] > And while we're talking about the Dutch, why is the country called > Holland, but then also The Netherlands, but the people are Dutch? Be careful here, this is a somewhat delicate matter. Strictly speaking Holland is part of Nederland (the Netherl

Re: Guido van Rossum resigns as Python leader

2018-07-14 Thread Jan van den Broek
On 2018-07-13, ElChino wrote: >> The important question we should ask ourselves: Do we have a replacement >> Dutch person to figure out the one obvious way to do things that may not >> be obvious at first? > > Skybuck?! Also Dutch. We try to deny that. It'll probably lead to ending every statemen

Re: Guido van Rossum resigns as Python leader

2018-07-14 Thread Marko Rauhamaa
Bob Martin : > in 796624 20180714 064331 Gregory Ewing wrote: >>Larry Martell wrote: >>> And while we're talking about the Dutch, why is the country called >>> Holland, but then also The Netherlands, but the people are Dutch? >> >>And Germany is called Deutchland? > > The real question is why do

OT Why Germany? [was Re: Guido van Rossum resigns as Python leader]

2018-07-14 Thread Steven D'Aprano
On Sat, 14 Jul 2018 07:41:43 +, Bob Martin wrote: > in 796624 20180714 064331 Gregory Ewing > wrote: >>Larry Martell wrote: >>> And while we're talking about the Dutch, why is the country called >>> Holland, but then also The Netherlands, but the people are Dutch? >> >>And Germany is called D

Re: Guido van Rossum resigns as Python leader

2018-07-13 Thread Bob Martin
in 796624 20180714 064331 Gregory Ewing wrote: >Larry Martell wrote: >> And while we're talking about the Dutch, why is the country called >> Holland, but then also The Netherlands, but the people are Dutch? > >And Germany is called Deutchland? The real question is why do English speakers refer t

Re: Guido van Rossum resigns as Python leader

2018-07-13 Thread Gregory Ewing
Larry Martell wrote: And while we're talking about the Dutch, why is the country called Holland, but then also The Netherlands, but the people are Dutch? And Germany is called Deutchland? -- Greg -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Guido van Rossum resigns as Python leader

2018-07-13 Thread Gregory Ewing
Chris Angelico wrote: and eventually a 99.99% Dutch solution will be produced. Does this mean we need an is_probably_dutch() function? -- Greg -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Guido van Rossum resigns as Python leader

2018-07-13 Thread Terry Reedy
On 7/13/2018 9:54 AM, Nicholas Cole wrote: Is it irrational to wonder whether projects should be looking to migrate to new languages? At this point, I would say yes. The immediate effect is no more PEP approvals for maybe 3 months. This kind of announcement makes me worry for the future.

Re: Guido van Rossum resigns as Python leader

2018-07-13 Thread Rich Shepard
On Fri, 13 Jul 2018, Marko Rauhamaa wrote: The Netherlands is a latter-day innovation. Holland is the central region of the Netherlands. Compare that with the UK and England. As for why they are called Dutch, see https://www.etymonline.com/word/Dutch> Generally Germanic peoples called thems

Re: Guido van Rossum resigns as Python leader

2018-07-13 Thread Marko Rauhamaa
Larry Martell : > And while we're talking about the Dutch, why is the country called > Holland, but then also The Netherlands, but the people are Dutch? The Netherlands is a latter-day innovation. Holland is the central region of the Netherlands. Compare that with the UK and England. As for why t

Re: Guido van Rossum resigns as Python leader

2018-07-13 Thread Larry Martell
On Fri, Jul 13, 2018 at 2:26 PM, Chris Angelico wrote: > On Sat, Jul 14, 2018 at 4:14 AM, Larry Martell > wrote: >> On Fri, Jul 13, 2018 at 2:05 PM, Chris Angelico wrote: >>> On Sat, Jul 14, 2018 at 3:37 AM, Alexandre Brault >>> wrote: The important question we should ask ourselves: Do w

Re: Guido van Rossum resigns as Python leader

2018-07-13 Thread Chris Angelico
On Sat, Jul 14, 2018 at 4:14 AM, Larry Martell wrote: > On Fri, Jul 13, 2018 at 2:05 PM, Chris Angelico wrote: >> On Sat, Jul 14, 2018 at 3:37 AM, Alexandre Brault >> wrote: >>> The important question we should ask ourselves: Do we have a replacement >>> Dutch person to figure out the one obvio

Re: Guido van Rossum resigns as Python leader

2018-07-13 Thread Larry Martell
On Fri, Jul 13, 2018 at 2:05 PM, Chris Angelico wrote: > On Sat, Jul 14, 2018 at 3:37 AM, Alexandre Brault > wrote: >> The important question we should ask ourselves: Do we have a replacement >> Dutch person to figure out the one obvious way to do things that may not >> be obvious at first? >> >

Re: Guido van Rossum resigns as Python leader

2018-07-13 Thread Chris Angelico
On Sat, Jul 14, 2018 at 3:37 AM, Alexandre Brault wrote: > The important question we should ask ourselves: Do we have a replacement > Dutch person to figure out the one obvious way to do things that may not > be obvious at first? > We'll use distributed computing.. I, for example, had two Dutch g

Re: Guido van Rossum resigns as Python leader

2018-07-13 Thread Alexandre Brault
The important question we should ask ourselves: Do we have a replacement Dutch person to figure out the one obvious way to do things that may not be obvious at first? Alex -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Guido van Rossum resigns as Python leader

2018-07-13 Thread Mark Lawrence
On 13/07/18 16:16, Bart wrote: On 13/07/2018 13:33, Steven D'Aprano wrote: On Fri, 13 Jul 2018 11:37:41 +0100, Bart wrote: (** Something so radical I've been using them elsewhere since forever.) And you just can't resist making it about you and your language. And you can't resist having a

Re: Guido van Rossum resigns as Python leader

2018-07-13 Thread Mark Lawrence
On 13/07/18 17:14, Mario R. Osorio wrote: On Friday, July 13, 2018 at 11:16:44 AM UTC-4, Bart wrote: On 13/07/2018 13:33, Steven D'Aprano wrote: On Fri, 13 Jul 2018 11:37:41 +0100, Bart wrote: You've made it a current affair issue... Please don't feed the troll, it's obvious that he's clu

Re: Guido van Rossum resigns as Python leader

2018-07-13 Thread Mario R. Osorio
On Friday, July 13, 2018 at 11:16:44 AM UTC-4, Bart wrote: > On 13/07/2018 13:33, Steven D'Aprano wrote: > > On Fri, 13 Jul 2018 11:37:41 +0100, Bart wrote: > > > >> (** Something so radical I've been using them elsewhere since forever.) > > > > And you just can't resist making it about you and y

Re: Guido van Rossum resigns as Python leader

2018-07-13 Thread Bart
On 13/07/2018 13:33, Steven D'Aprano wrote: On Fri, 13 Jul 2018 11:37:41 +0100, Bart wrote: (** Something so radical I've been using them elsewhere since forever.) And you just can't resist making it about you and your language. And you can't resist having a personal dig. You and others ha

Re: Guido van Rossum resigns as Python leader

2018-07-13 Thread Nicholas Cole
On Fri, 13 Jul 2018 at 10:31, Jim Oberholtzer wrote: > Nicholas: > > I am relatively new to Python, and my system of choice, IBM i on POWER, > now supports Python directly. The open source movement is so strong that I > think Python will be just fine. I've been a system programmer for 35 > yea

Re: Guido van Rossum resigns as Python leader

2018-07-13 Thread Nicholas Cole
On Fri, 13 Jul 2018 at 10:04, Chris Angelico wrote: > On Fri, Jul 13, 2018 at 11:54 PM, Nicholas Cole > wrote: > > Is it irrational to wonder whether projects should be looking to migrate > to > > new languages? This kind of announcement makes me worry for the future. > > > > The Python committe

Re: Guido van Rossum resigns as Python leader

2018-07-13 Thread Steven D'Aprano
On Fri, 13 Jul 2018 11:37:41 +0100, Bart wrote: > (** Something so radical I've been using them elsewhere since forever.) And you just can't resist making it about you and your language. "Hey Bart, did you hear? Nuclear war just broke out between Russia and Britain. Dozens of cities are aflame

RE: Guido van Rossum resigns as Python leader

2018-07-13 Thread Jim Oberholtzer
Python-list [mailto:python-list-bounces+midrangel=agiletecharch@python.org] On Behalf Of Nicholas Cole Sent: Friday, July 13, 2018 8:54 AM To: python-list@python.org Subject: Re: Guido van Rossum resigns as Python leader On Fri, 13 Jul 2018 at 08:51, Steven D'Aprano < steve+comp.lang.pyt

Re: Guido van Rossum resigns as Python leader

2018-07-13 Thread Chris Angelico
On Fri, Jul 13, 2018 at 11:54 PM, Nicholas Cole wrote: > Is it irrational to wonder whether projects should be looking to migrate to > new languages? This kind of announcement makes me worry for the future. > The Python committers are currently in charge. If you don't trust them, you should have

Re: Guido van Rossum resigns as Python leader

2018-07-13 Thread Nicholas Cole
On Fri, 13 Jul 2018 at 08:51, Steven D'Aprano < steve+comp.lang.pyt...@pearwood.info> wrote: > On Fri, 13 Jul 2018 22:29:29 +1000, Chris Angelico wrote: > > > To be quite frank, the proposal would have quietly died on python-ideas > > if it hadn't been for Guido's explicit support early on. (I kno

Re: Guido van Rossum resigns as Python leader

2018-07-13 Thread Steven D'Aprano
On Fri, 13 Jul 2018 22:29:29 +1000, Chris Angelico wrote: > To be quite frank, the proposal would have quietly died on python-ideas > if it hadn't been for Guido's explicit support early on. (I know this > for sure because the same proposal HAS quietly died, more than once.) > The controversy came

Re: Guido van Rossum resigns as Python leader

2018-07-13 Thread Chris Angelico
On Fri, Jul 13, 2018 at 8:37 PM, Bart wrote: > On 13/07/2018 01:44, MRAB wrote: >> >> On 2018-07-12 23:20, Roel Schroeven wrote: >>> >>> Yes, you read that right: Guido van Rossum resigns as Python leader. >>> >>> See his mail: >>> &

Re: Guido van Rossum resigns as Python leader

2018-07-13 Thread Bart
On 13/07/2018 01:44, MRAB wrote: On 2018-07-12 23:20, Roel Schroeven wrote: Yes, you read that right: Guido van Rossum resigns as Python leader. See his mail: (https://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-committers/2018-July/005664.html) [snip] That's very sad news. And all over PE

Re: Guido van Rossum resigns as Python leader

2018-07-12 Thread MRAB
On 2018-07-12 23:20, Roel Schroeven wrote: Yes, you read that right: Guido van Rossum resigns as Python leader. See his mail: (https://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-committers/2018-July/005664.html) [snip] That's very sad news. I believe the usual practice in a dictatorship is fo

Re: Guido van Rossum resigns as Python leader

2018-07-12 Thread Abdur-Rahmaan Janhangeer
if linux boasts commits, python boasts community in any sphere, the human aspect of things reoccurs. python has not it's parallel in languages, for it has set up the pattern for rapid and effective amelioration besides those words, the core-devs said all what i had to say leader or not, you rema

Guido van Rossum resigns as Python leader

2018-07-12 Thread Roel Schroeven
Yes, you read that right: Guido van Rossum resigns as Python leader. See his mail: (https://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-committers/2018-July/005664.html) Now that PEP 572 is done, I don't ever want to have to fight so hard > for a PEP and find that so many people despise my d