On 8/19/20 3:29 PM, Ethan Furman wrote:
> On 8/19/20 12:40 PM, Tim Daneliuk wrote:
>> On 8/19/20 2:00 PM, Karen Shaeffer wrote:
>
>>> Considering all your posts on this thread, it is reasonable to infer you
>>> have some ideological motivations.
>>
>> My motivation was to demonstrate that if peop
This thread is now closed.
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Tim,
Technology is political. Deal with it.
Signed,
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On Wed, Aug 19, 2020 at 4:02 PM Tim Daneliuk wrote:
> On 8/19/20 1:10 PM, J. Pic wrote:
> > Tim, don't you also think that statements should be backed by
> > evidence, even more if they are particularly accusatory ?
> >
>
On 8/19/20 12:40 PM, Tim Daneliuk wrote:
On 8/19/20 2:00 PM, Karen Shaeffer wrote:
Considering all your posts on this thread, it is reasonable to infer you have
some ideological motivations.
My motivation was to demonstrate that if people of your ilk are free to
peddle their worldview,
Un
On 8/19/20 1:10 PM, J. Pic wrote:
> Tim, don't you also think that statements should be backed by
> evidence, even more if they are particularly accusatory ?
>
> We'll be lucky if S&W's editor doesn't sue the PSF for slandering for
> publishing that S&W "upholds white supremacy".
>
As a general
On 8/19/20 2:00 PM, Karen Shaeffer wrote:
> Where you conclude with: "Methinks there is an ideological skunk in the
> parlor …”
>
> Considering all your posts on this thread, it is reasonable to infer you have
> some ideological motivations.
My motivation was to demonstrate that if people of yo
On Wed, Aug 19, 2020 at 3:33 AM Tim Daneliuk wrote:
> On 8/18/20 6:34 PM, rmli...@riseup.net wrote:
> > I would kindly recommend that folks just educate themselves on what
> > ...
> > Resources:
> > The Invention of the White Race: Volume II:
> http://ouleft.org/wp-content/uploads/Invention-White
> On Aug 19, 2020, at 8:47 AM, Tim Daneliuk wrote:
>
> On 8/19/20 8:35 AM, Alexandre Brault wrote:
>> I've not seen anyone objecting to the idea of removing the reference to
>> Strunk and White in favour of the underlying message of "be understandable
>> by others who may read your comments"
Tim, don't you also think that statements should be backed by
evidence, even more if they are particularly accusatory ?
We'll be lucky if S&W's editor doesn't sue the PSF for slandering for
publishing that S&W "upholds white supremacy".
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On 8/18/20 12:18 PM, gia wrote:
> That's why I picked Math, it is also universally accepted, it's very
> strict, and it leaves the reader to decide its color based on themselves
> (it's not white btw :)
Sorry, but when it comes to the demands of the woke, you are not
immune. Reported widely ear
On 8/19/20 8:35 AM, Alexandre Brault wrote:
> I've not seen anyone objecting to the idea of removing the reference to
> Strunk and White in favour of the underlying message of "be understandable by
> others who may read your comments" (there were at most a few philosophical
> "what is understand
On Wed, Aug 19, 2020 at 4:06 PM Ethan Furman wrote:
> The purported issue is that Strunk and White itself is doing the upholding.
Still trying to find some actual evidence.
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On 8/19/20 6:35 AM, Alexandre Brault wrote:
What people *are* complaining about is the use of a commit message to
stand on a soapbox and preach. The time to preach was when debating the
change; commit messages, in many people's opinions, is not the time to
espouse non-technical opinions
An e
On 2020-08-18 7:34 p.m., rmli...@riseup.net wrote:
There are many reasons Elements is a terrible English style guide:
https://www.pure.ed.ac.uk/ws/files/8520953/PULLUM_2010_The_land_of_the_free_and_the_elements_of_style.pdf
I would kindly recommend that folks just educate themselves on what
whit
On 8/19/20 2:55 AM, J. Pic wrote:
[...] but still, I
don't understand how this sentence (changed by the patch):
When writing English, follow Strunk and White.
Does "uphold relics of white supremacy" (as per the commit message).
Thanks in advance for your simple explanation (I'm not a native
On Wed, Aug 19, 2020 at 3:33 AM Tim Daneliuk wrote:
>
> I would also like to help you become educated. Be sure to check
> out these literary treasures - they are the foundation of the
> worldview you are espousing:
>
>
> The_Origin of the Family, Private Property, and the State - Engels
>
> Das K
My origins are Jewish Algerian which is just hated by just all parties
you could think off, but can not be considered as white.
Nonetheless, I'm not angry in any way, rather amused, but still, I
don't understand how this sentence (changed by the patch):
> When writing English, follow Strunk and W
On 18/08/2020 19:45, Tim Daneliuk wrote:
On 8/18/20 12:28 PM, justin walters wrote:
I apologize for being ageist earlier as well. That was out of line.
I am likely older than you and there is no reason to apologise.
Only the profoundly undeveloped psyche takes every opportunity to
find offense
> On Aug 18, 2020, at 6:13 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
>
> On 8/18/20 7:34 PM, rmli...@riseup.net wrote:
>> I would also caution against relying on the idea of human rights when
>> defending against accusations of being political, since they too are
>> political. Life is political. We continue to
On 8/18/20 6:34 PM, rmli...@riseup.net wrote:
> I would kindly recommend that folks just educate themselves on what
Speaking of being educated ... Could you please do an exposition
for all us ignorant types on the books that really animate
your worldview:
The_Origin of the Family, Private P
On 8/18/20 6:34 PM, rmli...@riseup.net wrote:
> I would kindly recommend that folks just educate themselves on what
I would also like to help you become educated. Be sure to check
out these literary treasures - they are the foundation of the
worldview you are espousing:
The_Origin of the Famil
On 8/18/20 7:34 PM, rmli...@riseup.net wrote:
> I would also caution against relying on the idea of human rights when
> defending against accusations of being political, since they too are
> political. Life is political. We continue to this day trying to
> redefine, as a society, what human rights
thon-list-ow...@python.org
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> > Today's Topics:
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> >1. why the connection set with ?keep live? in urllib.req
n set with ?keep live? in urllib.request
> always set to be?closed, thanks (xuanwu348)
> 2. Final statement from Steering Council on politically-charged
> commit messages (Chris Angelico)
> 3. Re: Final statement from Steering Council on
> politically-charged
On Wed, Aug 19, 2020 at 7:11 AM Kyle Stanley wrote:
>
> On Mon, Aug 17, 2020 at 2:37 PM Chris Angelico wrote:
>>
>> Yes. I was hoping for "we should rewrite that commit", and would have
>> been content with "we won't rewrite it, but we don't want that
>> repeated". But the SC said that it is abso
On Mon, Aug 17, 2020 at 2:37 PM Chris Angelico wrote:
> Yes. I was hoping for "we should rewrite that commit", and would have
> been content with "we won't rewrite it, but we don't want that
> repeated". But the SC said that it is absolutely fine to write commit
> messages like that.
>
While I'm
On 8/18/20 12:28 PM, justin walters wrote:
> I apologize for being ageist earlier as well. That was out of line.
I am likely older than you and there is no reason to apologise.
Only the profoundly undeveloped psyche takes every opportunity to
find offense when none is intended. It is the sign of
I believe the commit message was written in bad faith. It reeks of virtue
signaling. Commit messages should remain purely technical in nature.
However, I do think the change itself is valid.
I don't care about the style of comments as long as they are clear and
communicate their message well. How
That's why I picked Math, it is also universally accepted, it's very
strict, and it leaves the reader to decide its color based on themselves
(it's not white btw :)
On Tue, Aug 18, 2020 at 11:36 AM Tim Daneliuk wrote:
> On 8/17/20 1:26 PM, Chris Angelico wrote:
> > For context, see this commit:
On 8/17/20 1:26 PM, Chris Angelico wrote:
> For context, see this commit:
>
> https://github.com/python/peps/commit/0c6427dcec1e98ca0bd46a876a7219ee4a9347f4
>
> The commit message is highly politically charged and is now a
> permanent part of the Python commit history. The Python Steering
> Counc
I'm sorry Igor, I didn't mean to ruin your "conspiracy theories just
hit the commit log day"
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On Tue, Aug 18, 2020 at 10:27 AM J. Pic wrote:
>
> I think this commit message is not enough: we should take it further
> and demand that Elwyn Brooks White choose change their last name to
> something less supremacist.
>
> Also: I've been waiting long enough to see this drama hit the chess
>
On 18/08/2020 04:53, thronobu...@gmail.com wrote:
"Truth is a social construct."
much as I deplore the politicization of computers, logic, maths and other areas of human interest by particular interest
groups, according to some physicists, reality might be an observer based construct
http
I think this commit message is not enough: we should take it further
and demand that Elwyn Brooks White choose change their last name to
something less supremacist.
Also: I've been waiting long enough to see this drama hit the chess
world by itself so I'm explicitly making the suggestion here.
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On Tue, Aug 18, 2020 at 11:12 PM Richard Damon wrote:
>
> On 8/18/20 1:22 AM, justin walters wrote:
> > I for one don't want to see politics involved in PL development. However,
> > inclusivity isn't a political issue, it's a human rights issue.
> >
> > Do I agree with the PR, not exactly. However
On 8/18/20 1:22 AM, justin walters wrote:
> I for one don't want to see politics involved in PL development. However,
> inclusivity isn't a political issue, it's a human rights issue.
>
> Do I agree with the PR, not exactly. However, I do think we as a community
> should be accommodating to people
> Do I agree with the PR, not exactly. However, I do think we as a community
> should be accommodating to people
> Whose use of the English language differs from the standard as long as the
> meaning is clear.
Remember that the problem isn't the change in wording of the PEP. That's all
well and g
I for one don't want to see politics involved in PL development. However,
inclusivity isn't a political issue, it's a human rights issue.
Do I agree with the PR, not exactly. However, I do think we as a community
should be accommodating to people
Whose use of the English language differs from the
On Monday, August 17, 2020 at 1:26:33 PM UTC-5, Chris Angelico wrote:
> For context, see this commit:
>
> https://github.com/python/peps/commit/0c6427dcec1e98ca0bd46a876a7219ee4a9347f4
>
> The commit message is highly politically charged and is now a
> permanent part of the Python commit history.
On Monday, August 17, 2020 at 1:26:33 PM UTC-5, Chris Angelico wrote:
> For context, see this commit:
>
> https://github.com/python/peps/commit/0c6427dcec1e98ca0bd46a876a7219ee4a9347f4
>
> The commit message is highly politically charged and is now a
> permanent part of the Python commit history.
Math should stop being standardized, as it could alienate people of other
colors to it.
Commit should be rewritten as "Remove book advert from comments".
On Mon, Aug 17, 2020 at 1:39 PM Chris Angelico wrote:
> On Tue, Aug 18, 2020 at 4:34 AM Dylan Distasio
> wrote:
> >
> > That's quite an inte
On Tue, Aug 18, 2020 at 4:34 AM Dylan Distasio wrote:
>
> That's quite an interesting ruling by the SC. I'm not surprised to see them
> bend the knee to PC, but it is disheartening to see they're fine opening a
> can of political worms in a programming language. I suspect they will
> deplore
That's quite an interesting ruling by the SC. I'm not surprised to see
them bend the knee to PC, but it is disheartening to see they're fine
opening a can of political worms in a programming language. I suspect they
will deplore messages outside of their bubble though.
On Mon, Aug 17, 2020 at 2:
For context, see this commit:
https://github.com/python/peps/commit/0c6427dcec1e98ca0bd46a876a7219ee4a9347f4
The commit message is highly politically charged and is now a
permanent part of the Python commit history. The Python Steering
Council has this to say:
https://github.com/python/steering-
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