Roy Smith writes:
> In article <87mwbtjg9r@pascolo.net>, pec...@pascolo.net wrote:
>
>> >> 2. Python 2 or 3? Which will serve me better in the future?
>> >
>> > Long term (7 years), [Python] 3.
>>
>> I have STRONG suicidal intent and no access to treatment,
>> should I better learn Python 2?
In article <87mwbtjg9r@pascolo.net>, pec...@pascolo.net wrote:
> >> 2. Python 2 or 3? Which will serve me better in the future?
> >
> > Long term (7 years), [Python] 3.
>
> I have STRONG suicidal intent and no access to treatment,
> should I better learn Python 2?
In that case, go with PHP.
>> 2. Python 2 or 3? Which will serve me better in the future?
>
> Long term (7 years), [Python] 3.
I have STRONG suicidal intent and no access to treatment,
should I better learn Python 2?
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On Thursday, July 24, 2014 11:57:22 AM UTC-4, Noble Bell wrote:
> I am exploring the idea of creating my next desktop GUI project in Python and
> would like a little advice from you folks about a couple of requirements.
>
>
>
> My requirements will be:
>
> 1. Needs to be portable across platfo
Zachary Ware wrote:
> How so? Like any other facet of programming, using Tk(inter) has it's
> frustrations, but for the most part it has always worked as expected
> for me. Granted, I haven't done anything terribly fancy.
In my experience, tkinter and ttk is fine until you need to do something
On Thursday, July 24, 2014 6:35:02 PM UTC-5, Terry Reedy wrote:
> On 7/24/2014 1:04 PM, Chris "Kwpolska" Warrick wrote:
>
>
>
> > And it might be better to stay with Python 2, there are still
>
> > things that don't work with Py3k that you might find crucial.
>
>
>
> It is true that there ar
On 7/24/2014 1:04 PM, Chris “Kwpolska” Warrick wrote:
And it might be better to stay with Python 2, there are still
things that don't work with Py3k that you might find crucial.
It is true that there are 3rd-party modules that do not work with 3.x,
including a few that one might want to use i
On 7/24/2014 3:11 PM, Glenn Linderman wrote:
Not knowing any of these GUI platforms (although I've read some about
Tk), I have some questions.
* Which of them use UTF-8 as their native Unicode interface?
tk uses UCS-2 internally for the BMP subset. It does not display astral
chars. tkinter i
Chris Angelico wrote:
The Windows default UI changed
significantly from W2K -> XP -> Win8, and each time, it's possible to
revert to the old styling;
Well, sort of. I find that using the classic theme with
Win7 is a less-than-satisfying experience, because it
still lays things out the same way
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On 07/24/2014 10:46 AM, Chris Angelico wrote:
> On Fri, Jul 25, 2014 at 2:29 AM, Noble Bell wrote:
>> I was leaning toward Python 3 and Tkinter. I suppose the best way to do the
>> GUI with Tkinter is to just roll-up my sleeves and do it via code rather
>> than with the aid of a GUI editor.
>
>
On 07/24/2014 01:32 PM, Ian Kelly wrote:
> On Thu, Jul 24, 2014 at 1:02 PM, Chris “Kwpolska” Warrick
> wrote:
>> AFAIK, Qt follows the system style properly, and it looks quite native
>> on every Windows OS. No idea about ttk though.
>
> My understanding is that Qt merely emulates the native LAF
On 07/24/2014 12:51 PM, Chris Angelico wrote:
> On Fri, Jul 25, 2014 at 4:33 AM, Zachary Ware
> wrote:
>>> On other platforms, it also is not 100%
>>> native.
>>
>> On Windows, at least, ttk comes very very close to it.
>
> What exactly does that mean? The Windows default UI changed
> significant
On 2014-07-24, Chris “Kwpolska” Warrick wrote:
> On Thu, Jul 24, 2014 at 8:33 PM, Zachary Ware
> wrote:
>> On Thu, Jul 24, 2014 at 12:04 PM, Chris “Kwpolska” Warrick
>> wrote:
>>> Tk is neither sane
>>
>> How so? Like any other facet of programming, using Tk(inter) has it's
>> frustrations, but
On 07/24/2014 01:11 PM, Glenn Linderman wrote:
> Not knowing any of these GUI platforms (although I've read some about
> Tk), I have some questions.
>
> * Which of them use UTF-8 as their native Unicode interface?
>
> * Which makes it easiest to discover and adjust font metrics such as
> kernin
On 2014-07-24, Zachary Ware wrote:
> On Thu, Jul 24, 2014 at 12:04 PM, Chris “Kwpolska” Warrick
> wrote:
>> Tk is neither sane
>
> How so? Like any other facet of programming, using Tk(inter) has it's
> frustrations, but for the most part it has always worked as expected
> for me. Granted, I hav
On Thu, 24 Jul 2014 13:10:03 -0700 (PDT)
Noble Bell wrote:
>
> If I were to us wxPython then I would be limited to Python 2.x at present. If
> I were to use PyQt I would have to pay, as I understand the licenses, for it
> to use in commercial programs and/or programs that I ask for donations. I
On Thursday, July 24, 2014 2:32:04 PM UTC-5, Ian wrote:
> On Thu, Jul 24, 2014 at 1:02 PM, Chris "Kwpolska" Warrick
>
> wrote:
>
> > AFAIK, Qt follows the system style properly, and it looks quite native
>
> > on every Windows OS. No idea about ttk though.
>
>
>
> My understanding is that Q
On Thu, Jul 24, 2014 at 2:02 PM, Chris “Kwpolska” Warrick
wrote:
> Pretty much everyone in the world hates Tcl and Tk. Ask your favorite
> search engine for some results.
Whee, I'm an alien! ;)
I'm not saying Tk is the best thing since sliced bread, I just don't
see what so many people seem to
On Thu, Jul 24, 2014 at 1:02 PM, Chris “Kwpolska” Warrick
wrote:
> AFAIK, Qt follows the system style properly, and it looks quite native
> on every Windows OS. No idea about ttk though.
My understanding is that Qt merely emulates the native LAF, although
it does a good job of it. wxPython on th
On 7/24/2014 11:15 AM, Chris Angelico wrote:
On Fri, Jul 25, 2014 at 4:04 AM, Mark Lawrence wrote:
On 24/07/2014 17:18, Chris Angelico wrote:
The first one is certainly possible. Pick any of the well-known
toolkits (Tkinter, wxwidgets, GTK, etc), and see how it feels. All of
them are portable
On Thu, Jul 24, 2014 at 1:51 PM, Chris Angelico wrote:
> On Fri, Jul 25, 2014 at 4:33 AM, Zachary Ware
> wrote:
>> On Windows, at least, ttk comes very very close to [a 100% native look].
>
> What exactly does that mean? The Windows default UI changed
> significantly from W2K -> XP -> Win8, and e
On Thu, Jul 24, 2014 at 8:33 PM, Zachary Ware
wrote:
> On Thu, Jul 24, 2014 at 12:04 PM, Chris “Kwpolska” Warrick
> wrote:
>> Tk is neither sane
>
> How so? Like any other facet of programming, using Tk(inter) has it's
> frustrations, but for the most part it has always worked as expected
> for
On Fri, Jul 25, 2014 at 4:33 AM, Zachary Ware
wrote:
>> On other platforms, it also is not 100%
>> native.
>
> On Windows, at least, ttk comes very very close to it.
What exactly does that mean? The Windows default UI changed
significantly from W2K -> XP -> Win8, and each time, it's possible to
r
On Thu, Jul 24, 2014 at 12:04 PM, Chris “Kwpolska” Warrick
wrote:
> Tk is neither sane
How so? Like any other facet of programming, using Tk(inter) has it's
frustrations, but for the most part it has always worked as expected
for me. Granted, I haven't done anything terribly fancy.
> nor nativ
On Thu, Jul 24, 2014 at 11:37 AM, Grant Edwards wrote:
> On 2014-07-24, Zachary Ware wrote:
>> The Python standard library includes the tkinter package, which is an
>> interface to Tcl/Tk.
>
> That's not always true for Linux systems. AFAIK, all Linux installs
> include Python (of some version o
On Fri, Jul 25, 2014 at 4:04 AM, Mark Lawrence wrote:
> On 24/07/2014 17:18, Chris Angelico wrote:
>> The first one is certainly possible. Pick any of the well-known
>> toolkits (Tkinter, wxwidgets, GTK, etc), and see how it feels. All of
>> them are portable across the three platforms you name, s
On 24/07/2014 17:18, Chris Angelico wrote:
On Fri, Jul 25, 2014 at 1:57 AM, Noble Bell wrote:
I am exploring the idea of creating my next desktop GUI project in Python and
would like a little advice from you folks about a couple of requirements.
My requirements will be:
1. Needs to be portabl
On Fri, Jul 25, 2014 at 3:04 AM, Chris “Kwpolska” Warrick
wrote:
> I personally recommend PyQt4/PySide. wxPython is also worth checking out.
> And it might be better to stay with Python 2, there are still things that
> don't work with Py3k that you might find crucial.
Can you be more specific? Py
On Jul 24, 2014 6:28 PM, "Zachary Ware"
wrote:
>
> On Thu, Jul 24, 2014 at 10:57 AM, Noble Bell wrote:
> > I am exploring the idea of creating my next desktop GUI project in
Python and would like a little advice from you folks about a couple of
requirements.
> >
> > My requirements will be:
> > 1
On Fri, Jul 25, 2014 at 2:29 AM, Noble Bell wrote:
> I was leaning toward Python 3 and Tkinter. I suppose the best way to do the
> GUI with Tkinter is to just roll-up my sleeves and do it via code rather than
> with the aid of a GUI editor.
Yep. In fact, I recommend that for all GUI toolkits; i
On 2014-07-24, Zachary Ware wrote:
> On Thu, Jul 24, 2014 at 10:57 AM, Noble Bell wrote:
>> I am exploring the idea of creating my next desktop GUI project in Python
>> and would like a little advice from you folks about a couple of requirements.
>>
>> My requirements will be:
>> 1. Needs to be
On Thursday, July 24, 2014 10:57:22 AM UTC-5, Noble Bell wrote:
> I am exploring the idea of creating my next desktop GUI project in Python and
> would like a little advice from you folks about a couple of requirements.
>
>
>
> My requirements will be:
>
> 1. Needs to be portable across platfo
On Fri, Jul 25, 2014 at 1:57 AM, Noble Bell wrote:
> I am exploring the idea of creating my next desktop GUI project in Python and
> would like a little advice from you folks about a couple of requirements.
>
> My requirements will be:
> 1. Needs to be portable across platforms with native LAF (W
On Thu, Jul 24, 2014 at 10:57 AM, Noble Bell wrote:
> I am exploring the idea of creating my next desktop GUI project in Python and
> would like a little advice from you folks about a couple of requirements.
>
> My requirements will be:
> 1. Needs to be portable across platforms with native LAF (
1. PyQt (or PySide)
2. Python 2 will be legacy soon. Use Python 3 for new project.
wxPython is also good option but doesn't support Python 3 for now.
I don't know when wxPhenix (next wxPython supporting Python 3) will be released.
On Fri, Jul 25, 2014 at 12:57 AM, Noble Bell wrote:
> I am explor
I am exploring the idea of creating my next desktop GUI project in Python and
would like a little advice from you folks about a couple of requirements.
My requirements will be:
1. Needs to be portable across platforms with native LAF (Windows,Linux,OSX)
2. Python 2 or 3? Which will serve me bette
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