Re: EuroPython 2006 and Py3.0

2006-07-17 Thread Steve Holden
Nick Vatamaniuc wrote: >>The real problems with the Py3k list seem to be associated with a number >>of people who, despite having had little apparent connection to the >>language until now, have joined the list and started making >>inappropriate suggestions, which then have to be (patiently) reject

Re: EuroPython 2006 and Py3.0

2006-07-15 Thread Antoon Pardon
On 2006-07-14, Lawrence Oluyede <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Antoon Pardon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> I have a tree class, a tree acts like a dictionary, but when you >> iterate over it, it always iterates over the keys in order. This >> makes it usefull to iterate over a slice. So it would be

Re: EuroPython 2006 and Py3.0

2006-07-14 Thread Nick Vatamaniuc
That is why we have PEPs and people who read forums and, of course, GvR. At this point it seems that Python is mainstream enough that it probably shouldn't be modified too much but it is also 'fresh' enough to accept some modifications and new ideas. The bottom line is that the more people are in

Re: EuroPython 2006 and Py3.0

2006-07-14 Thread Lawrence Oluyede
A.M. Kuchling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > If Python 3000 turns into a let's-try-all-sorts-of-goofy-new-ideas > language, at least some of those ideas will turn out to have been > mistakes, and then we'll need a Python 3000++ to clean things up. And I also think "we" will lose some developers in

Re: EuroPython 2006 and Py3.0

2006-07-14 Thread Lawrence Oluyede
Antoon Pardon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I have a tree class, a tree acts like a dictionary, but when you > iterate over it, it always iterates over the keys in order. This > makes it usefull to iterate over a slice. So it would be usefull > if methods like keys, values and items could take a sl

Re: EuroPython 2006 and Py3.0

2006-07-14 Thread Antoon Pardon
On 2006-07-14, Lawrence Oluyede <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Antoon Pardon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> These are just some ideas. Whether they fit into python or not I will >> leave to the developers. > > I'm not a Python pro. but: > >> 1) Literal slices, in a sense we already have these, but t

Re: EuroPython 2006 and Py3.0

2006-07-14 Thread A.M. Kuchling
On Fri, 14 Jul 2006 18:45:07 +0200, Fredrik Lundh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > >> This attitude may have some downsides. The Python developers don't know >> everything, other people can have some experience of computer languages >> too. > > "some experience of

Re: EuroPython 2006 and Py3.0

2006-07-14 Thread Fredrik Lundh
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > This attitude may have some downsides. The Python developers don't know > everything, other people can have some experience of computer languages > too. "some experience of computer languages" != "experience of language design and implementation" as long as most of th

Re: EuroPython 2006 and Py3.0

2006-07-14 Thread Nick Vatamaniuc
> The real problems with the Py3k list seem to be associated with a number > of people who, despite having had little apparent connection to the > language until now, have joined the list and started making > inappropriate suggestions, which then have to be (patiently) rejected. Steve, What does

Re: EuroPython 2006 and Py3.0

2006-07-14 Thread bearophileHUGS
Steve Holden: > The real problems with the Py3k list seem to be associated with a number > of people who, despite having had little apparent connection to the > language until now, have joined the list and started making > inappropriate suggestions, which then have to be (patiently) rejected. This

Re: EuroPython 2006 and Py3.0

2006-07-14 Thread Lawrence Oluyede
Antoon Pardon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > These are just some ideas. Whether they fit into python or not I will > leave to the developers. I'm not a Python pro. but: > 1) Literal slices, in a sense we already have these, but they are >limited to indexing. You can't do something like fun(::)

Re: EuroPython 2006 and Py3.0

2006-07-14 Thread Antoon Pardon
On 2006-07-05, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Kay Schluehr: >> there is nothing really new or interesting or challenging. >> Micro-optimizations and shape lifting. > > I see. Maybe Python is becoming a commodity used by more than 10e6 > persons, so changellenges aren't much fit anym

Re: EuroPython 2006 and Py3.0

2006-07-14 Thread Steve Holden
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Kay Schluehr: > >>there is nothing really new or interesting or challenging. >>Micro-optimizations and shape lifting. > > > I see. Maybe Python is becoming a commodity used by more than 10e6 > persons, so changellenges aren't much fit anymore. > Guido has tried to avoi

Re: EuroPython 2006 and Py3.0

2006-07-05 Thread bearophileHUGS
Kay Schluehr: > there is nothing really new or interesting or challenging. > Micro-optimizations and shape lifting. I see. Maybe Python is becoming a commodity used by more than 10e6 persons, so changellenges aren't much fit anymore. Guido has tried to avoid the problems of Perl6, making Py3.0 a i

Re: EuroPython 2006 and Py3.0

2006-07-05 Thread Kay Schluehr
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > >From this interesting blog entry by Lawrence Oluyede: > http://www.oluyede.org/blog/2006/07/05/europython-day-2/ > and the Py3.0 PEPs, I think the people working on Py3.0 are doing a > good job, I am not expert enough (so I don't post this on the Py3.0 > mailing list),

Re: EuroPython 2006 and Py3.0

2006-07-05 Thread bearophileHUGS
Sybren Stuvel: > But you can put a set in a dict... Only as values, not as keys, because sets are mutable. Bye, bearophile -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

EuroPython 2006 and Py3.0

2006-07-05 Thread bearophileHUGS
>From this interesting blog entry by Lawrence Oluyede: http://www.oluyede.org/blog/2006/07/05/europython-day-2/ and the Py3.0 PEPs, I think the people working on Py3.0 are doing a good job, I am not expert enough (so I don't post this on the Py3.0 mailing list), but I agree with most of the things