On 4 Apr 2006 15:18:27 -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > Here is a 3' view. I posted about a clear
> > (admittedly very minor) doc problem 8 days ago.
> > Since then there have been 30+ postings in this
> > thread. Insults and bad f
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> Here is a 3' view. I posted about a clear
> (admittedly very minor) doc problem 8 days ago.
> Since then there have been 30+ postings in this
> thread. Insults and bad feelings have flown.
> Two people setup wikis and uploaded the tutorial.
> I don't kno
Context: I entered this thread complaining about a
derogatory reply to a poster saying that he failed to
read the documentation correctly, when in fact the
documentation was faulty.
This reply on the Fedora list makes an interesting
contrast to c.l.p.
> > [description of problems OP had installin
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > no, but that's because you're the kind of pathetic loser who only sees
> > problem with things, and only pops up when you have a chance to piss
> > on something.
>
> Are you going to address the issue, or just limit
> yourself to a public temper tantrum?
what issue?
"Fredrik Lundh" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> what issue? your inability to contribute anything but complaints? that's
> your problem, and you have to fix that yourself. I'm sure you'd feel better
> if you tried.
I'm not sure what's wrong with complaints. I've submitted a lot of
bug reports an
"Terry Reedy" wrote:
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > "Terry Reedy" wrote:
> Yes, there have been claims that doc patches have to be in Latex or are
> otherwise not welcome. But these mostly (all?) have lacked relevant
> concrete data, which would be actual responses to actual submissi
Fredrik Lundh wrote:
> no, but that's because you're the kind of pathetic loser who only sees
> problem with things, and only pops up when you have a chance to piss
> on something.
Are you going to address the issue, or just limit
yourself to a public temper tantrum?
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > and for the record: the infogami setup had never happened if Ed hadn't
> > written that post.
>
> I wouldn't rest on my laurels quite yet if I were you.
> You've provided a good piece to take care of the input
> collection side of the equasion but I've seen nothing
> t
Terry Reedy wrote:
> Yes, there have been claims that doc patches have to be in Latex or are
> otherwise not welcome.
This is counter to my own experience and this page which says, "There's
no need to worry about text markup; our documentation team will gladly
take care of that."
http://docs.
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
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> "Terry Reedy" wrote:
> Not sure how premature it is. I've been reading
> c.l.p. on and off for nearly a year.
Yes, there have been claims that doc patches have to be in Latex or are
otherwise not welcome. But these mostly (all?) hav
"Fredrik Lundh" wrote:
>
> > I'm not much of an expert in anything yet, but I had an idea, and then
> > managed to put the documents in a wiki, which was at least trying to
> > do something. Fredrik beat me to it and did a much better job, but
> > even so I feel quite proud that I did something a
Ed Singleton wrote:
> I'm not much of an expert in anything yet, but I had an idea, and then
> managed to put the documents in a wiki, which was at least trying to
> do something. Fredrik beat me to it and did a much better job, but
> even so I feel quite proud that I did something and tried to m
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > (and probably for no thanks),
>
> Do you think you know me well enough from a
> handful of usenet postings to conclude that?
yes. anyone who's been involved with open source project long
enough has seen enough people like you to know you. you're not
unique, in any w
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Ed Singleton wrote:
> >
> > Ideas can come from anyone and they do come from anyone all the time,
> > and as such they are fairly worthless unless acted upon.
>
> That is pretty obvious. The question is about who does
> the acting. Your position seems to be that
> only
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > "Ed" == Ed Singleton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> Ed> Go to the wiki, make the changes you want, and feel good about
> Ed> yourself for once.
>
> +1 QOTW.
I suggest leaving off the "for once". Otherwise, it is just
another gratuitous insult, of the kin
Ed Singleton wrote:
> On 30 Mar 2006 16:30:24 -0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > What are you saying? Ideas must come only from those
> > with the time and skill to implement them? No one else
> > need apply?
>
> Ideas can come from anyone and they do come from anyone all
> "Ed" == Ed Singleton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Ed> Go to the wiki, make the changes you want, and feel good about
Ed> yourself for once.
+1 QOTW.
Skip
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On 30 Mar 2006 16:30:24 -0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> "Fredrik Lundh" wrote:
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote
> > > write a tutorial as good as what is already there. But what I can
> > > do is report problems I find when using it, and make suggestions
> > > about how to avoid
> 1) dear lazyweb/lazynet: does anyone have some time to spare on figuring
> out how to log into infogami from a simple python script. standard library
> only, preferrably.
nevermind. the hack that didn't work yesterday did did work today. must
have been a bad cookie day.
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> In the time you've spent posting about this, you or someone
> else with svn access to the docs, could have simply gone
> and made the change. Admittedly most changes would
> require more process but there are many like this just require
> someone to DO IT. Give me svn
"Fredrik Lundh" wrote:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote
> > Fredrik Lundh wrote:
> > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > > >
> > > > The OP points out an ambiguity in the docs, and as usual,
> > > > gets told he can't read, etc. How typical.
> > >
> > > where did anyone tell the OP that he can't read?
> >
>
"Terry Reedy" wrote:
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
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> > Fredrik Lundh wrote:
> > But the perception I get here, from responses like yours,
> > is that such suggestions are unwelcome, and unlikely
> > to be acted upon.
>
> FL is not the main doc maintainer. Even if
"Terry Reedy" wrote:
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Fredrik Lundh wrote:
> > But the perception I get here, from responses like yours,
> > is that such suggestions are unwelcome, and unlikely
> > to be acted upon.
>
> FL is not the main doc maintainer. Even if
Gerard Flanagan wrote:
> > I've added some notes to the front-page. feel free to tweak/clarify (or
> > post
> > comments here or on the site).
> >
> > for now, I think it's worth trying to keep the text clean and reasonably
> > read-
> > able at all times, and use the comment function to add qu
Fredrik Lundh wrote:
> Ed Singleton wrote:
>
> > I'd suggest adding some sort of guidance page so that people know
> > roughly what's expected. IE can they just add questions and comments
> > into the text, hoping that someone more knowledgeable will sort it out
> > (or delete it).
>
> I've added
Ed Singleton wrote:
> I'd suggest adding some sort of guidance page so that people know
> roughly what's expected. IE can they just add questions and comments
> into the text, hoping that someone more knowledgeable will sort it out
> (or delete it).
I've added some notes to the front-page. feel
On 29/03/06, Fredrik Lundh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Ed Singleton wrote:
>
> > > alright, I got bored and uploaded a copy of the current Python tutorial to
> > >
> > > http://pytut.infogami.com
> >
> > Damn. You beat me to it by an hour.
> >
> > http://singletoned.infogami.com/_special/inde
Ed Singleton wrote:
> > alright, I got bored and uploaded a copy of the current Python tutorial to
> >
> > http://pytut.infogami.com
>
> Damn. You beat me to it by an hour.
>
> http://singletoned.infogami.com/_special/index
oops. sorry for that.
> > I had a nightmare with character encoding
On 29/03/06, Ed Singleton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On 29/03/06, Fredrik Lundh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > btw, one alternative could be to use an infogame site for this purpose:
> > >
> > >http://infogami.com
> > >
> > > this gives you revision history, a permissions system (limiting e
On 29/03/06, Fredrik Lundh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > btw, one alternative could be to use an infogame site for this purpose:
> >
> >http://infogami.com
> >
> > this gives you revision history, a permissions system (limiting editing to
> > registered users might be a good idea), comments, a
> btw, one alternative could be to use an infogame site for this purpose:
>
>http://infogami.com
>
> this gives you revision history, a permissions system (limiting editing to
> registered users might be a good idea), comments, an associated blog,
> voting, feeds, change logs, etc.
alright, I
>> (I'm actually tempted to just copy and paste each page from the
>> tutorial into the current wiki but I'd hate for it all to be deleted
>> after doing that).
>
> just do it!
btw, one alternative could be to use an infogame site for this purpose:
http://infogami.com
this gives you revision
Ed Singleton wrote:
> This would be a perfect situation for a wiki. I think it would be a
> good experiment to have a wiki containing the documentation (separate
> from the main documentation and clearly marked experimental for the
> moment), and to see if it did self-organise as wikis often do.
On 29/03/06, Fredrik Lundh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote
> > write a tutorial as good as what is already there. But what I can
> > do is report problems I find when using it, and make suggestions
> > about how to avoid those problems.
>
> There's no shortage of ideas -- nor
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote
> Fredrik Lundh wrote:
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >
> > > The OP points out an ambiguity in the docs, and as usual,
> > > gets told he can't read, etc. How typical.
> >
> > where did anyone tell the OP that he can't read?
>
> "it could be that the tutorial author exp
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
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> Fredrik Lundh wrote:
>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>> where did anyone tell the OP that he can't read?
>
> "it could be that the tutorial author expected you
> to read chapter 8 before you read chapter 9,..."
This actually acknowledge
Fredrik Lundh wrote:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> > The OP points out an ambiguity in the docs, and as usual,
> > gets told he can't read, etc. How typical.
>
> where did anyone tell the OP that he can't read?
"it could be that the tutorial author expected you
to read chapter 8 before you r
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