On Thursday, 18 June 2015 12:21:29 UTC+1, Jason P. wrote:
>
> I'm aware of duck typing. The point in using interfaces is to be explicit
> about the boundaries of a system.
>
> Quite a red "Growing Object-Oriented Software, Guided by Tests", by the way.
> In fact interfaces are key components i
Ah, turns out there was an entry. I updated it.
Laura
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On 19/06/2015 00:01, Laura Creighton wrote:
In a message of Thu, 18 Jun 2015 11:50:28 +0100, Mark Lawrence writes:
Throw in http://clonedigger.sourceforge.net/ as well and you've a really
awesome combination.
Mark Lawrence
I didn't know about that one.
Hey thank you, Mark. Looks great.
It
In a message of Thu, 18 Jun 2015 11:50:28 +0100, Mark Lawrence writes:
>Throw in http://clonedigger.sourceforge.net/ as well and you've a really
>awesome combination.
>
>Mark Lawrence
>
I didn't know about that one.
Hey thank you, Mark. Looks great.
It needs its own entry in
https://wiki.python
>
> python -m doctest application.py
>
> And from there, I would build up extra doc tests
>
An extra doc test
that fails
#!/usr/bin/env python
"""
NewsGroup comp.lang.python
Subject .. Classic OOP in Python
Date ..
On Thursday, June 18, 2015 at 7:21:29 AM UTC-4, Jason P. wrote:
> El miércoles, 17 de junio de 2015, 21:44:51 (UTC+2), Ned Batchelder escribió:
> > On Wednesday, June 17, 2015 at 3:21:32 PM UTC-4, Jason P. wrote:
> > > Hello Python community.
> > >
> > > I come from a classic background in what r
On Thu, Jun 18, 2015 at 9:03 PM, Fabien wrote:
> Would you consider the following kind of program "unpythonic"?
>
> class MovingObject(object):
> """Great doc about what a moving object is"""
>
> def move(self):
> """Great doc about move"""
> raise NotImplementedError()
>
>
Todd :
> On Thu, Jun 18, 2015 at 1:03 PM, Fabien wrote:
>> Would you consider the following kind of program "unpythonic"?
>>
>> class MovingObject(object):
>> """Great doc about what a moving object is"""
>>
>> def move(self):
>> """Great doc about move"""
>> raise NotImpl
El miércoles, 17 de junio de 2015, 22:39:31 (UTC+2), Marko Rauhamaa escribió:
> Ned Batchelder :
>
> > TDD is about writing tests as a way to design the best system, and
> > putting testing at the center of your development workflow. It works
> > great with Python even without interfaces.
>
> I
El miércoles, 17 de junio de 2015, 21:44:51 (UTC+2), Ned Batchelder escribió:
> On Wednesday, June 17, 2015 at 3:21:32 PM UTC-4, Jason P. wrote:
> > Hello Python community.
> >
> > I come from a classic background in what refers to OOP. Mostly Java and PHP
> > (> 5.3). I'm used to abstract class
El miércoles, 17 de junio de 2015, 21:44:51 (UTC+2), Ned Batchelder escribió:
> On Wednesday, June 17, 2015 at 3:21:32 PM UTC-4, Jason P. wrote:
> > Hello Python community.
> >
> > I come from a classic background in what refers to OOP. Mostly Java and PHP
> > (> 5.3). I'm used to abstract class
On Thu, Jun 18, 2015 at 1:03 PM, Fabien wrote:
> On 06/17/2015 11:16 PM, sohcahto...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> You don't need interfaces with Python. Duck typing makes that all
>> possible.
>>
>
> Yes, but I also like interfaces (or in python: mimicked interfaces with
> NotImplementedError) for thei
On 06/17/2015 11:16 PM, sohcahto...@gmail.com wrote:
You don't need interfaces with Python. Duck typing makes that all possible.
Yes, but I also like interfaces (or in python: mimicked interfaces with
NotImplementedError) for their clarity and documentation purposes.
Would you consider the
On 17/06/2015 23:33, Laura Creighton wrote:
In a message of Wed, 17 Jun 2015 14:14:34 -0700, Ned Batchelder writes:
TDD is supposed to make you brave, not cowards, and it's
Ned's most excellent tool
http://nedbatchelder.com/code/coverage/
that I recommend to TDD dogmatic cowards.
Even if you d
On 17/06/2015 23:33, sohcahto...@gmail.com wrote:
I had a Java class where we had to learn TDD, and that's the way TDD was taught
to us, and I hated it. We watched a video of this guy explaining TDD with a hat
that was red on the front and green on the back. It involved writing a simple
faili
On Thu, Jun 18, 2015 at 6:39 AM, Marko Rauhamaa wrote:
> Another interesting ism I have read about is the idea that the starting
> point of any software project should be the user manual. The developers
> should then go and build the product that fits the manual.
I've seldom met a *user* manual t
On 6/17/2015 4:39 PM, Marko Rauhamaa wrote:
Ned Batchelder :
TDD is about writing tests as a way to design the best system, and
putting testing at the center of your development workflow. It works
great with Python even without interfaces.
I use what I might call 'smart TDD'. I think it a mi
On Thu, 18 Jun 2015 06:39 am, Marko Rauhamaa wrote:
> Ned Batchelder :
>
>> TDD is about writing tests as a way to design the best system, and
>> putting testing at the center of your development workflow. It works
>> great with Python even without interfaces.
>
> I wonder how great it really is
On Wednesday, June 17, 2015 at 6:34:23 PM UTC-4, Laura Creighton wrote:
> TDD is supposed to make you brave, not cowards, and it's
> Ned's most excellent tool
> http://nedbatchelder.com/code/coverage/
> that I recommend to TDD dogmatic cowards.
>
> Even if you don't want to use TTD, you will enjoy
In a message of Wed, 17 Jun 2015 14:14:34 -0700, Ned Batchelder writes:
>The true TDD acolytes advocate a very idiosyncratic workflow, it's true.
>I don't do this, but I also don't consider myself a TDD person. I value
>tests a great deal, and put a lot of effort into them, but I don't write
>triv
On 17/06/2015 23:09, Laura Creighton wrote:
ps -- Marko, we have ample evidence that you are an extremely clever
person. But the purpose of TTD is not to make clever code, but
wise code. TTD in the hands of a fool will never produce that.
But how else do you have to check that your design, whi
In a message of Wed, 17 Jun 2015 14:33:43 -0700, sohcahto...@gmail.com writes:
>I had a Java class where we had to learn TDD, and that's the way TDD
>was taught to us, and I hated it. We watched a video of this guy
>explaining TDD with a hat that was red on the front and green on the
>back. It i
In a message of Wed, 17 Jun 2015 23:39:17 +0300, Marko Rauhamaa writes:
>Ned Batchelder :
>
>> TDD is about writing tests as a way to design the best system, and
>> putting testing at the center of your development workflow. It works
>> great with Python even without interfaces.
>
>I wonder how gre
On 17/06/2015 22:33, sohcahto...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wednesday, June 17, 2015 at 1:39:31 PM UTC-7, Marko Rauhamaa wrote:
Ned Batchelder :
TDD is about writing tests as a way to design the best system, and
putting testing at the center of your development workflow. It works
great with Python ev
On Wednesday, June 17, 2015 at 1:39:31 PM UTC-7, Marko Rauhamaa wrote:
> Ned Batchelder :
>
> > TDD is about writing tests as a way to design the best system, and
> > putting testing at the center of your development workflow. It works
> > great with Python even without interfaces.
>
> I wonder h
On Wednesday, June 17, 2015 at 12:21:32 PM UTC-7, Jason P. wrote:
> Hello Python community.
>
> I come from a classic background in what refers to OOP. Mostly Java and PHP
> (> 5.3). I'm used to abstract classes, interfaces, access modifiers and so on.
>
> Don't get me wrong. I know that despite
On Wednesday, June 17, 2015 at 4:39:31 PM UTC-4, Marko Rauhamaa wrote:
> The way it was explained to me was that in TDD you actually don't write
> code to any requirements or design: you simply do the least to pass the
> tests. Thus, say you need to write a program that inputs a string and
> output
On 17/06/2015 21:39, Marko Rauhamaa wrote:
Ned Batchelder :
TDD is about writing tests as a way to design the best system, and
putting testing at the center of your development workflow. It works
great with Python even without interfaces.
I wonder how great it really is. Testing is important,
Ned Batchelder :
> TDD is about writing tests as a way to design the best system, and
> putting testing at the center of your development workflow. It works
> great with Python even without interfaces.
I wonder how great it really is. Testing is important, that's for sure,
but to make it a dogmat
On Wednesday, June 17, 2015 at 3:21:32 PM UTC-4, Jason P. wrote:
> Hello Python community.
>
> I come from a classic background in what refers to OOP. Mostly Java and PHP
> (> 5.3). I'm used to abstract classes, interfaces, access modifiers and so on.
>
> Don't get me wrong. I know that despite
On Wed, Jun 17, 2015 at 2:21 PM, Jason P. wrote:
> I'm gonna try to develop a modest application from ground up using
> TDD. If it had been done in Java for instance, I would made
> extensive use of interfaces to define the boundaries of my
> system. How would I do something like that in Python?
Hello Python community.
I come from a classic background in what refers to OOP. Mostly Java and PHP (>
5.3). I'm used to abstract classes, interfaces, access modifiers and so on.
Don't get me wrong. I know that despite the differences Python is fully object
oriented. My point is, do you know an
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