* Alf P. Steinbach:
* Steve Holden:
Alf P. Steinbach wrote:
* Steven D'Aprano:
Nobody is trying to understate the complexity of writing a large
application that supports both 2.6 and 3.x, or of taking an existing
library written for 2.5 and upgrading it to support 3.1. But the
magnitude of the
* Steve Holden:
Alf P. Steinbach wrote:
* Steven D'Aprano:
Nobody is trying to understate the complexity of writing a large
application that supports both 2.6 and 3.x, or of taking an existing
library written for 2.5 and upgrading it to support 3.1. But the
magnitude of these tasks is no greate
On 1/13/2010 3:44 AM, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
On Wed, 13 Jan 2010 09:34:55 +0100, Alf P. Steinbach wrote:
Would it be better to say that it's "hard" or "very hard" or
"impractical for the novice"?
Yes, but ...
I don't even know why you feel the need to discuss 2.x in a book that's
about 3
Alf P. Steinbach wrote:
> * Steven D'Aprano:
>>
>> Nobody is trying to understate the complexity of writing a large
>> application that supports both 2.6 and 3.x, or of taking an existing
>> library written for 2.5 and upgrading it to support 3.1. But the
>> magnitude of these tasks is no greater (
Terry Reedy, 13.01.2010 04:40:
What might be changed more easily is to accept a report but impound it
until the confirmation reply. Being able to spit out what one has to say
while it is still fresh in the mind should make the email wait more
tolerable. What do you think?
Sounds like a very g
Alf P. Steinbach wrote:
> * Stefan Behnel:
>> Alf P. Steinbach, 13.01.2010 06:39:
>>> * Steven D'Aprano:
On Tue, 12 Jan 2010 23:42:28 +0100, Alf P. Steinbach wrote:
> It is hopeless, especially for a newbie, to create correct Python
> 2.x+3.x compatible code, except totally trivial stu
* Steven D'Aprano:
On Wed, 13 Jan 2010 06:55:27 +0100, Alf P. Steinbach wrote:
* Steven D'Aprano:
On Tue, 12 Jan 2010 23:47:31 +0100, Alf P. Steinbach wrote:
PS: Next time it would have helped to include a URL to the issue.
http://bugs.python.org/issue7681
FYI there is already some
On Wed, 13 Jan 2010 09:34:55 +0100, Alf P. Steinbach wrote:
> * Steven D'Aprano:
>>
>> Nobody is trying to understate the complexity of writing a large
>> application that supports both 2.6 and 3.x, or of taking an existing
>> library written for 2.5 and upgrading it to support 3.1. But the
>> ma
* Steven D'Aprano:
Nobody is trying to understate the complexity of writing a large
application that supports both 2.6 and 3.x, or of taking an existing
library written for 2.5 and upgrading it to support 3.1. But the
magnitude of these tasks is no greater (and potentially smaller) than
supp
On Wed, 13 Jan 2010 06:55:27 +0100, Alf P. Steinbach wrote:
> * Steven D'Aprano:
>> On Tue, 12 Jan 2010 23:47:31 +0100, Alf P. Steinbach wrote:
>>
PS: Next time it would have helped to include a URL to the issue.
http://bugs.python.org/issue7681
FYI there is alrea
Alf P. Steinbach, 13.01.2010 09:00:
I'm sorry but as Steven did in the quoted material above you're trying
to make people believe something that you know is false: I haven't
blamed the world, nor described the bug as terrible or a doom, and you
know that.
I admit that I took the freedom to re
* Stefan Behnel:
Alf P. Steinbach, 13.01.2010 06:55:
* Steven D'Aprano:
I think you need to chill out and stop treating a simple bug report
as a personal slight on you.
I'm sorry but you're again trying to make people believe something
that you know is false, which is commonly called lying:
* Stefan Behnel:
Alf P. Steinbach, 13.01.2010 06:39:
* Steven D'Aprano:
On Tue, 12 Jan 2010 23:42:28 +0100, Alf P. Steinbach wrote:
It is hopeless, especially for a newbie, to create correct Python
2.x+3.x compatible code, except totally trivial stuff of course.
So you allege, but André poin
On Wed, 13 Jan 2010 06:39:53 +0100, Alf P. Steinbach wrote:
> Then be a little critical and think about, what problems could it be
> that, in spite of that to you apparent simplicity, hinders the
> widespread adoption of Python 3.x?
(1) Most Linux distributions still come standard with Python 2.
Alf P. Steinbach, 13.01.2010 06:55:
* Steven D'Aprano:
I think you need to chill out and stop treating a simple bug report as
a personal slight on you.
I'm sorry but you're again trying to make people believe something that
you know is false, which is commonly called lying: it is not the cas
Alf P. Steinbach, 13.01.2010 06:39:
* Steven D'Aprano:
On Tue, 12 Jan 2010 23:42:28 +0100, Alf P. Steinbach wrote:
It is hopeless, especially for a newbie, to create correct Python
2.x+3.x compatible code, except totally trivial stuff of course.
So you allege, but André points out that there
* Terry Reedy:
On 1/12/2010 6:31 PM, Alf P. Steinbach wrote:
Perhaps change to CAPTCHA instead of mail confirmation.
I disagree. The point of mail confirmation is not just to assure that a
human is registering, but that we have a valid email for responses to be
sent to. Many issues are file
* Steven D'Aprano:
On Tue, 12 Jan 2010 23:47:31 +0100, Alf P. Steinbach wrote:
PS: Next time it would have helped to include a URL to the issue.
http://bugs.python.org/issue7681
FYI there is already some feedback in the tracker.
Yeah, someone who had the bright idea that maybe there
* Steven D'Aprano:
On Tue, 12 Jan 2010 23:42:28 +0100, Alf P. Steinbach wrote:
* André:
On Jan 12, 9:33 am, "Alf P. Steinbach" wrote:
Well, this is for my Python (actually, beginning programmer) writings,
at
http://tinyurl.com/programmingbookP3
Thanks for writing this book. I just h
On Tue, 12 Jan 2010 23:42:28 +0100, Alf P. Steinbach wrote:
> * André:
>> On Jan 12, 9:33 am, "Alf P. Steinbach" wrote:
>>
>>> Well, this is for my Python (actually, beginning programmer) writings,
>>> at
>>>
>>>http://tinyurl.com/programmingbookP3
>>>
>>>
>> Thanks for writing this book. I
On Tue, 12 Jan 2010 23:47:31 +0100, Alf P. Steinbach wrote:
>> PS: Next time it would have helped to include a URL to the issue.
>>
>> http://bugs.python.org/issue7681
>>
>> FYI there is already some feedback in the tracker.
>
> Yeah, someone who had the bright idea that maybe there isn
On 1/12/2010 6:31 PM, Alf P. Steinbach wrote:
Perhaps change to CAPTCHA instead of mail confirmation.
I disagree. The point of mail confirmation is not just to assure that a
human is registering, but that we have a valid email for responses to be
sent to. Many issues are filed with inadaquat
2010/1/13 Alf P. Steinbach
>
> Received: from mr1.start.no (unknown [195.159.73.42])
>by mail6.start.no (Postfix) with ESMTP id 54EFE1534F8
>for ; Tue, 12 Jan 2010 12:56:05 +0100 (CET)
> Received: from psf.upfronthosting.co.za (bugs.python.org [88.198.142.26])
>by mr1.star
Alf P. Steinbach wrote:
> * Steve Holden:
>> Alf P. Steinbach wrote:
>>
>> If you have any suggestions for improving things (and the same goes for
>> any other readers) I will be happy to listen to them. I do agree that
>> the bug tracker is a rather high hurdle for people to have to jump over
>> j
* Steve Holden:
Alf P. Steinbach wrote:
* Steve Holden:
[...]
FYI there is already some feedback in the tracker.
Yeah, someone who had the bright idea that maybe there isn't a bug,
thinking instead that maybe a "wrong" name in *a comment* might be the
culprit -- of all things!
He was p
Alf P. Steinbach wrote:
> * Steve Holden:
[...]
>> FYI there is already some feedback in the tracker.
>
> Yeah, someone who had the bright idea that maybe there isn't a bug,
> thinking instead that maybe a "wrong" name in *a comment* might be the
> culprit -- of all things!
>
> He was proba
* Steve Holden:
Alf P. Steinbach wrote:
If you have any suggestions for improving things (and the same goes for
any other readers) I will be happy to listen to them. I do agree that
the bug tracker is a rather high hurdle for people to have to jump over
just to offer feedback on software faults,
* Steve Holden:
Alf P. Steinbach wrote:
* Stefan Behnel:
Alf P. Steinbach, 12.01.2010 12:51:
Well how f*g darn patient do they expect me to be?
I've decided: I'm not.
Oh sh**, just as I typed the period above the mail finally arrived.
It's been, let's see, about 20+ minutes!
And still
* André:
On Jan 12, 9:33 am, "Alf P. Steinbach" wrote:
Well, this is for my Python (actually, beginning programmer) writings, at
http://tinyurl.com/programmingbookP3
Thanks for writing this book. I just had a quick look at the
beginning of it where you write:
===
As of this writing two
I totally second Alf in this regard.
There were times you could report a bug by mail (to Debian e.g.) and it
worked perfectly (for me, the reporter).
Once I went into the maze of bug reporting software and I almost didn't find
back to the problem I tried to fix while stumbling upon the to-be-re
Alf P. Steinbach wrote:
> * Stefan Behnel:
>> Alf P. Steinbach, 12.01.2010 12:51:
>>> Well how f*g darn patient do they expect me to be?
>>>
>>> I've decided: I'm not.
>>>
>>> Oh sh**, just as I typed the period above the mail finally arrived.
>>> It's been, let's see, about 20+ minutes!
>>>
>
Alf P. Steinbach wrote:
> * Alf P. Steinbach:
>> * Steve Holden:
>>> Alf P. Steinbach wrote:
>>> [...]
PS: It would be nice if someone(TM) could describe here in detail
how to
properly report errors like this. Of course I'm not going to do it
if it
involves establishing Yet
On Jan 12, 9:33 am, "Alf P. Steinbach" wrote:
>
> Well, this is for my Python (actually, beginning programmer) writings, at
>
> http://tinyurl.com/programmingbookP3
>
Thanks for writing this book. I just had a quick look at the
beginning of it where you write:
===
As of this writing two main
PS: It would be nice if someone(TM) could describe here in detail how to
properly report errors like this. Of course I'm not going to do it if it
involves establishing Yet Another Account somewhere. But hopefully it
doesn't?
>>> That's not very public-spirited, is it? Pytho
* Stefan Behnel:
Alf P. Steinbach, 12.01.2010 13:10:
* Stefan Behnel:
Maybe you should just stop using the module. Writing the code
yourself is certainly going to be faster than reporting that bug,
don't you think?
It's part of the standard Python distribution.
Don't you think bugs in the s
On Tue, 12 Jan 2010 12:51:06 +0100, Alf P. Steinbach wrote:
> Oh sh**, just as I typed the period above the mail finally arrived. It's
> been, let's see, about 20+ minutes!
Aren't you a little old to be suffering from the every decreasing
attention spans of the MTV generation? Email is not guar
Alf P. Steinbach, 12.01.2010 13:10:
* Stefan Behnel:
Maybe you should just stop using the module. Writing the code yourself
is certainly going to be faster than reporting that bug, don't you think?
It's part of the standard Python distribution.
Don't you think bugs in the standard library sho
* Stefan Behnel:
Alf P. Steinbach, 12.01.2010 12:51:
Well how f*g darn patient do they expect me to be?
I've decided: I'm not.
Oh sh**, just as I typed the period above the mail finally arrived.
It's been, let's see, about 20+ minutes!
And still some miles to go.
Somebody should say T
Alf P. Steinbach, 12.01.2010 12:51:
Well how f*g darn patient do they expect me to be?
I've decided: I'm not.
Oh sh**, just as I typed the period above the mail finally arrived. It's
been, let's see, about 20+ minutes!
And still some miles to go.
Somebody should say THANK YOU for all t
* Alf P. Steinbach:
* Steve Holden:
Alf P. Steinbach wrote:
[...]
PS: It would be nice if someone(TM) could describe here in detail how to
properly report errors like this. Of course I'm not going to do it if it
involves establishing Yet Another Account somewhere. But hopefully it
doesn't?
Th
* Steve Holden:
Alf P. Steinbach wrote:
[...]
PS: It would be nice if someone(TM) could describe here in detail how to
properly report errors like this. Of course I'm not going to do it if it
involves establishing Yet Another Account somewhere. But hopefully it
doesn't?
That's not very public-
Alf P. Steinbach wrote:
[...]
> PS: It would be nice if someone(TM) could describe here in detail how to
> properly report errors like this. Of course I'm not going to do it if it
> involves establishing Yet Another Account somewhere. But hopefully it
> doesn't?
>
That's not very public-spirited,
Alf P. Steinbach wrote:
PS: It would be nice if someone(TM) could describe here in detail how to
properly report errors like this.
http://tinyurl.com/yemcdy7
Of course I'm not going to do it if it
involves establishing Yet Another Account somewhere.
Of course that means no-one else will
On 1/12/2010 3:25 AM, Alf P. Steinbach wrote:
Argh! This was really annoying! Much time wasted (one naturally thinks
that silly error must be one's own).
But, anyway:
Lines:
244 nitems = (chunk.chunksize - chunk.size_read) / self._sampwidth
464 self._nframes = initlength / (self._nchannels * s
Argh! This was really annoying! Much time wasted (one naturally thinks that
silly error must be one's own).
But, anyway:
Lines:
244 nitems = (chunk.chunksize - chunk.size_read) / self._sampwidth
464 self._nframes = initlength / (self._nchannels * self._sampwidth)
Need to use Python 3.x
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