Re: Abelson and Python

2006-11-24 Thread Fredrik Lundh
Chris Mellon wrote; > Now, writing a compiler/interpreter from the ground up is a more > valuable experience, but does it really matter if the language is the > same one you wrote the compiler in? It gets harder the more > complicated the syntax and semantics of the language are, but, say, > pytho

Re: Abelson and Python

2006-11-24 Thread Chris Mellon
On 11/23/06, Scott David Daniels <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > markscottwright wrote: > > Fredrik Lundh wrote: > >> markscottwright wrote: > >> > >> > If it were that easy, the PyPy guys would be done by now. > >> > >> if the PyPy guys had focused on writing a Python interpreter in Python, > >> the

Re: Abelson and Python

2006-11-24 Thread cfbolz
Fredrik Lundh schrieb: > markscottwright wrote: > > > If it were that easy, the PyPy guys would be done by now. > > if the PyPy guys had focused on writing a Python interpreter in Python, > they'd been done by now. > > The "Python interpreter in Python" part of PyPy _is_ done. Since quite a wh

Re: Abelson and Python

2006-11-23 Thread Scott David Daniels
markscottwright wrote: > Fredrik Lundh wrote: >> markscottwright wrote: >> >> > If it were that easy, the PyPy guys would be done by now. >> >> if the PyPy guys had focused on writing a Python interpreter in Python, >> they'd been done by now. >> >> > > Isn't that the point of PyPy? It's what t

Re: Abelson and Python

2006-11-23 Thread markscottwright
Fredrik Lundh wrote: > markscottwright wrote: > > > If it were that easy, the PyPy guys would be done by now. > > if the PyPy guys had focused on writing a Python interpreter in Python, > they'd been done by now. > > Isn't that the point of PyPy? It's what their mission statement says (http://c

Re: Abelson and Python

2006-11-23 Thread Fredrik Lundh
markscottwright wrote: > If it were that easy, the PyPy guys would be done by now. if the PyPy guys had focused on writing a Python interpreter in Python, they'd been done by now. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Abelson and Python

2006-11-22 Thread bearophileHUGS
Paddy: > Is the MIT course syndicated to Universities around America or something? > (Is your name pronounced Beer-owe-file, or Bear-oh-fi-lee, I don't know. > I too have heard about the MIT course changing to Python elsewhere and > wanted to know why it was talked about so much? I don't know w

Re: Abelson and Python

2006-11-22 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Paddy wrote: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > While studying the SICP video lectures I have to twist my mind some to > > completely understand the lessons. I implement the programs shown there > > in both Python and Scheme, and I find the Python implementations > > simpler to write (but it's not a

Re: Abelson and Python

2006-11-22 Thread Paddy
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > While studying the SICP video lectures I have to twist my mind some to > completely understand the lessons. I implement the programs shown there > in both Python and Scheme, and I find the Python implementations > simpler to write (but it's not a fair comparison because

Re: Abelson and Python

2006-11-22 Thread bearophileHUGS
markscottwright: > I love Python as much as the next guy, but I > just don't see how SICP can be done in Python. The contents of the course are probably different, they work on robotics... Bye, bearophile -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Abelson and Python

2006-11-22 Thread markscottwright
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > While studying the SICP video lectures I have to twist my mind some to > completely understand the lessons. I implement the programs shown there > in both Python and Scheme, and I find the Python implementations > simpler to write (but it's not a fair comparison because

Re: Abelson and Python

2006-11-22 Thread bearophileHUGS
[EMAIL PROTECTED]: > Haven't heard of that one, although I've got DrScheme. Right, sorry, I meant that one :-) > I find that hierarchy extremely annoying. I don't see the need for it. > I never use OOP in Python yet there's no need for me to have a > stripped down version, I just don't use it.

Re: Abelson and Python

2006-11-22 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > [EMAIL PROTECTED]: > > No surprise to anyone who's ever tried to use MIT Scheme. > > Be careful, such assertions are often flamebait. Well, yeah, it's a warning to everyone to not bother with the MIT implementation of Scheme which is completely worthless. > > I am usin

Re: Abelson and Python

2006-11-22 Thread bearophileHUGS
[EMAIL PROTECTED]: > No surprise to anyone who's ever tried to use MIT Scheme. Be careful, such assertions are often flamebait. I am using DrPython (I think they were using it at MIT too lately), and it is very very good IDE, it produces executables on the fly, it has a visual debugger with some

Re: Abelson and Python

2006-11-22 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > While studying the SICP video lectures I have to twist my mind some to > completely understand the lessons. I implement the programs shown there > in both Python and Scheme, and I find the Python implementations > simpler to write (but it's not a fair comparison because

Abelson and Python

2006-11-22 Thread bearophileHUGS
While studying the SICP video lectures I have to twist my mind some to completely understand the lessons. I implement the programs shown there in both Python and Scheme, and I find the Python implementations simpler to write (but it's not a fair comparison because I know very little Scheme still).