Re: 2.7 beta 1

2010-04-12 Thread Mensanator
On Apr 12, 11:39 am, Terry Reedy wrote: > On 4/12/2010 1:57 AM, Mensanator wrote: > > > Likewise, I usually don't shut down > > when I leave work, so I can't allow orphaned processes to accumulate > > eating up CPU and memory. > > So don't. I don't. I'm complaining about the need to do that. > >

Re: 2.7 beta 1

2010-04-12 Thread Mensanator
On Apr 12, 3:51 am, alex23 wrote: > Mensanator wrote: > > You think the right thing to do is just quietly work > > around the problem and sit back and laugh knowing sooner > > or later someone else will get burned by it? > > Haven't we covered argument from fallacy enough in this group by now? >

Re: 2.7 beta 1

2010-04-12 Thread Terry Reedy
On 4/12/2010 1:57 AM, Mensanator wrote: Likewise, I usually don't shut down when I leave work, so I can't allow orphaned processes to accumulate eating up CPU and memory. So don't. Orphaned processes only accumulate when you use Restart Shell to abandon a process stuck in an infinite loop. I

Re: 2.7 beta 1

2010-04-12 Thread Mark Lawrence
Mensanator wrote: On Apr 10, 11:51�pm, alex23 wrote: Mensanator wrote: 3.x won't be adopted by WINDOWS developers WHO USE IDLE until it's fixed. I think you left your hyperbole level too high so I turned it down for you. I don't know of _anyone_ who uses IDLE to run production code, nor do I

Re: [Python-Dev] [RELEASED] 2.7 beta 1

2010-04-12 Thread anatoly techtonik
On Sun, Apr 11, 2010 at 1:13 AM, average wrote: > > There are so many features taken from 3.0 that I fear that it will > postpone its adoption interminably (it is, in practice, treated as > "beta" software itself).  By making it doctrine that it won't be > official until the next "major" Python re

Re: 2.7 beta 1

2010-04-12 Thread alex23
Mensanator wrote: > You think the right thing to do is just quietly work > around the problem and sit back and laugh knowing sooner > or later someone else will get burned by it? Haven't we covered argument from fallacy enough in this group by now? Reporting the bug was exactly the right thing t

Re: 2.7 beta 1

2010-04-11 Thread Martin P. Hellwig
On 04/12/10 06:57, Mensanator wrote: On Apr 11, 6:08 pm, Steven D'Aprano wrote: On Sun, 11 Apr 2010 11:54:04 -0700, Mensanator wrote: On Apr 11, 11:53 am, Steven D'Aprano wrote: On Sat, 10 Apr 2010 21:08:44 -0700, Mensanator wrote: Maybe because I'm a user, not a developer. You write co

Re: 2.7 beta 1

2010-04-11 Thread Mensanator
On Apr 11, 6:08 pm, Steven D'Aprano wrote: > On Sun, 11 Apr 2010 11:54:04 -0700, Mensanator wrote: > > On Apr 11, 11:53 am, Steven D'Aprano > cybersource.com.au> wrote: > >> On Sat, 10 Apr 2010 21:08:44 -0700, Mensanator wrote: > >> >> > 3.x won't be adopted by developers until it's fixed. As of

Re: 2.7 beta 1

2010-04-11 Thread Mensanator
On Apr 11, 11:33 pm, Lie Ryan wrote: > On 04/12/10 04:54, Mensanator wrote: > > > On Apr 11, 11:53 am, Steven D'Aprano > cybersource.com.au> wrote: > >> On Sat, 10 Apr 2010 21:08:44 -0700, Mensanator wrote: > > 3.x won't be adopted by developers until it's fixed. As of now, it's > > serio

Re: 2.7 beta 1

2010-04-11 Thread Lie Ryan
On 04/12/10 04:54, Mensanator wrote: > On Apr 11, 11:53�am, Steven D'Aprano cybersource.com.au> wrote: >> On Sat, 10 Apr 2010 21:08:44 -0700, Mensanator wrote: > 3.x won't be adopted by developers until it's fixed. As of now, it's > seriously broken and unsuitable for production. >> I

Re: 2.7 beta 1

2010-04-11 Thread alex23
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Re: 2.7 beta 1

2010-04-11 Thread Steven D'Aprano
On Sun, 11 Apr 2010 11:54:04 -0700, Mensanator wrote: > On Apr 11, 11:53�am, Steven D'Aprano cybersource.com.au> wrote: >> On Sat, 10 Apr 2010 21:08:44 -0700, Mensanator wrote: >> >> > 3.x won't be adopted by developers until it's fixed. As of now, >> >> > it's seriously broken and unsuitable for

Re: 2.7 beta 1

2010-04-11 Thread Steven D'Aprano
On Sun, 11 Apr 2010 10:34:50 -0700, Joaquin Abian wrote: > On Apr 11, 6:53 pm, Steven D'Aprano cybersource.com.au> wrote: >> >> In any case, IDLE is one IDE out of many, and not really up to >> professional quality -- it's clunky and ugly. It isn't Python, it is a >> tool written in Python. >> >>

Re: 2.7 beta 1

2010-04-11 Thread Mensanator
On Apr 11, 12:00�pm, Terry Reedy wrote: > On 4/11/2010 12:08 AM, Mensanator wrote: > > > On Apr 10, 7:15 pm, Chris Rebert �wrote: > >> On Sat, Apr 10, 2010 at 4:47 PM, Mensanator �wrote: > >>> 3.x won't be adopted by developers until it's fixed. As of now, it's > >>> seriously broken and unsuitabl

Re: [Python-Dev] [RELEASED] 2.7 beta 1

2010-04-11 Thread Lennart Regebro
On Sat, Apr 10, 2010 at 20:52, Benjamin Peterson wrote: > On behalf of the Python development team, I'm merry > to announce the first beta release of Python 2.7. Cool! -- Lennart Regebro: Python, Zope, Plone, Grok http://regebro.wordpress.com/ +33 661 58 14 64 -- http://mail.python.org/mail

Re: 2.7 beta 1

2010-04-11 Thread Mensanator
On Apr 11, 11:53�am, Steven D'Aprano wrote: > On Sat, 10 Apr 2010 21:08:44 -0700, Mensanator wrote: > >> > 3.x won't be adopted by developers until it's fixed. As of now, it's > >> > seriously broken and unsuitable for production. > > >> In what ways do you consider it broken? > > > Issue 8093. Re

Re: 2.7 beta 1

2010-04-11 Thread Joaquin Abian
On Apr 11, 6:53 pm, Steven D'Aprano wrote: > > In any case, IDLE is one IDE out of many, and not really up to > professional quality -- it's clunky and ugly. It isn't Python, it is a > tool written in Python. > > -- > Steven But this is a tool that is a part of the python distribution and often r

Re: 2.7 beta 1

2010-04-11 Thread Terry Reedy
On 4/11/2010 12:08 AM, Mensanator wrote: On Apr 10, 7:15�pm, Chris Rebert wrote: On Sat, Apr 10, 2010 at 4:47 PM, Mensanator wrote: 3.x won't be adopted by developers until it's fixed. As of now, it's seriously broken and unsuitable for production. Not. Many though will wait until 3.2 and

Re: 2.7 beta 1

2010-04-11 Thread Steven D'Aprano
On Sat, 10 Apr 2010 21:08:44 -0700, Mensanator wrote: >> > 3.x won't be adopted by developers until it's fixed. As of now, it's >> > seriously broken and unsuitable for production. >> >> In what ways do you consider it broken? > > Issue 8093. Remarkably, this apparently hasn't been noticed before

Re: 2.7 beta 1

2010-04-11 Thread Mensanator
On Apr 10, 11:51�pm, alex23 wrote: > Mensanator wrote: > > 3.x won't be adopted by WINDOWS developers WHO USE IDLE until it's fixed. > > I think you left your hyperbole level too high so I turned it down for > you. I don't know of _anyone_ who uses IDLE to run production code, > nor do I follow h

Re: 2.7 beta 1

2010-04-10 Thread alex23
Mensanator wrote: > 3.x won't be adopted by WINDOWS developers WHO USE IDLE until it's fixed. I think you left your hyperbole level too high so I turned it down for you. I don't know of _anyone_ who uses IDLE to run production code, nor do I follow how one errant IDE shows that Python 3.x as a la

Re: 2.7 beta 1

2010-04-10 Thread Mensanator
On Apr 10, 7:15�pm, Chris Rebert wrote: > On Sat, Apr 10, 2010 at 4:47 PM, Mensanator wrote: > > On Apr 10, 5:45�pm, Michael Str�der wrote: > >> average wrote: > >> >> On behalf of the Python development team, I'm merry to announce the > >> >> first beta > >> >> release of Python 2.7. > > >> >>

Re: [RELEASED] 2.7 beta 1

2010-04-10 Thread Chris Rebert
On Sat, Apr 10, 2010 at 4:47 PM, Mensanator wrote: > On Apr 10, 5:45 pm, Michael Ströder wrote: >> average wrote: >> >> On behalf of the Python development team, I'm merry to announce the first >> >> beta >> >> release of Python 2.7. >> >> >> Python 2.7 is scheduled (by Guido and Python-dev) to

Re: [RELEASED] 2.7 beta 1

2010-04-10 Thread Mensanator
On Apr 10, 5:45 pm, Michael Ströder wrote: > average wrote: > >> On behalf of the Python development team, I'm merry to announce the first > >> beta > >> release of Python 2.7. > > >> Python 2.7 is scheduled (by Guido and Python-dev) to be the last major > >> version > >> in the 2.x series.  Tho

Re: [Python-Dev] [RELEASED] 2.7 beta 1

2010-04-10 Thread Michael Ströder
average wrote: >> On behalf of the Python development team, I'm merry to announce the first >> beta >> release of Python 2.7. >> >> Python 2.7 is scheduled (by Guido and Python-dev) to be the last major >> version >> in the 2.x series. Though more major releases have not been absolutely ruled >>

Re: [Python-Dev] [RELEASED] 2.7 beta 1

2010-04-10 Thread Melton Low
On Sat, Apr 10, 2010 at 4:13 PM, average wrote: > > On behalf of the Python development team, I'm merry to announce the first > beta > > release of Python 2.7. > > > > Python 2.7 is scheduled (by Guido and Python-dev) to be the last major > version > > in the 2.x series. Though more major releas

Re: [Python-Dev] [RELEASED] 2.7 beta 1

2010-04-10 Thread average
> On behalf of the Python development team, I'm merry to announce the first beta > release of Python 2.7. > > Python 2.7 is scheduled (by Guido and Python-dev) to be the last major version > in the 2.x series.  Though more major releases have not been absolutely ruled > out, it's likely that the 2.

[RELEASED] 2.7 beta 1

2010-04-10 Thread Benjamin Peterson
On behalf of the Python development team, I'm merry to announce the first beta release of Python 2.7. Python 2.7 is scheduled (by Guido and Python-dev) to be the last major version in the 2.x series. Though more major releases have not been absolutely ruled out, it's likely that the 2.7 release w