Re: hello from a very excited and totally blind python programmer and game player

2018-07-25 Thread Tim Golden
Hi Daniel, I'm unsure how well your support tools will work with quoted emails. I'm going to place my answer below your text according to the convention on this list. On 24/07/2018 21:09, Daniel Perry wrote: Hi there everyone, my name is Daniel Perry and I'm a totally blind new Python user.

Moderator interjection [WAS: Re: What "cult-like behavior" meant]

2018-07-17 Thread Tim Golden
[Moderator hat on] Please. Step back. We've gone over and over this (and not for the first time). This has ceased to be a enlightening discussion into possibly interesting issues of Unicode implementation. It has effectively become a restatement of entrenched positions. If the key participa

Re: Where's the junk coming from?

2018-06-28 Thread Tim Golden
On 28/06/2018 09:05, Kerr Avon wrote: On Wed, 27 Jun 2018 21:43:12 +1200, Avon wrote: Hey Cameron, Apologies for this. I have contacted the Fido system connected to the gateway I run into news.bbs.nz and have asked them to urgently sort / check what's up. If I don't get any joy from them withi

Re: Feeding the trolls

2018-06-22 Thread Tim Golden
On 22/06/2018 09:33, bart4...@gmail.com wrote: It costs me some genuine effort to make what I believe are relevant and interesting technical posts I thank you for at least taking that trouble. But I think that this is probably where the difference lies. This newsgroup/mailing list is primaril

Re: syntax difference

2018-06-20 Thread Tim Golden
[... snip discussions about Bart's language ...] Wearing my moderator hat Can we take the "Bart's language vs Python Show" to some other forum, please? We've already gone over this ground again and again and it isn't helping the signal-to-noise ratio here on the Python list / comp.lang.python

Re: Fwd: Python Import Impossibility

2018-04-20 Thread Tim Golden
people responding individually saying that images are stripped.  It's looking like a bit of a traffic increaser. My impression is that attachments are more common than 20 years ago. In a more draconian world, we could even bounce such messages. If Tim Golden does not reply to this,

Re: please test the new PyPI (now in beta)

2018-03-28 Thread Tim Golden
On 28/03/2018 15:50, sumana.hariharesw...@gmail.com wrote: I'll give a bit of context on PyPI's new visual design, then talk about specific concerns folks have mentioned in this thread. [... snip ...] At the risk of sounding patronising, can I thank you for coming back to engage with the ideas

Re: please test the new PyPI (now in beta)

2018-03-27 Thread Tim Golden
On 27/03/2018 11:06, Steven D'Aprano wrote: On Tue, 27 Mar 2018 10:48:15 +0100, Paul Moore wrote: By the way, on the search page: https://pypi.org/search/ it says "Enter a search query above, or select a filter from the list of classifiers on the left" but there is no such filter or list of

Can mock.mock_open.read return different values?

2018-03-12 Thread Tim Golden
I'm contributing to a codebase which makes heavy use of mock in the test suite, a technique which I'm aware of but have used only rarely. In one situation it uses mock.mock_open(read_data="...") and then asserts again mock_open.return_value.read.call_count. A code change I've made results in a

Re: This newsgroup (comp.lang.python) may soon be blocked by Google Gro

2018-02-09 Thread Tim Golden
On 09/02/2018 15:37, Chris Green wrote: Steven D'Aprano wrote: On Fri, 09 Feb 2018 12:45:29 +, Chris Green wrote: Mark Lawrence wrote: [...] Please don't waste your time with the gmane website. Just point any (semi-)decent mail client like Thunderbird at news.gmane.org and you've Su

Re: This newsgroup (comp.lang.python) may soon be blocked by Google Gro

2018-02-09 Thread Tim Golden
On 09/02/2018 05:00, Steven D'Aprano wrote: On Thu, 08 Feb 2018 23:40:57 +, Mark Lawrence wrote: I don't see any spam in my inbox as I read on gmane, I'm pointing out the disgraceful state of gg and why it should be dropped as it's less than useless. Who is it that you think should "drop"

Re: This newsgroup (comp.lang.python) may soon be blocked by Google Groups

2018-02-01 Thread Tim Golden
On 01/02/2018 17:01, superchromix wrote: Our own programming discussion newsgroup, located at comp.lang.idl-pvwave, started receiving spam messages several months ago. Two weeks ago, access to comp.lang.idl-pvwave was blocked by Google Groups. When trying to access comp.lang.idl-pvwave, a mess

Re: Where has the practice of sending screen shots as source code come from?

2018-01-28 Thread Tim Golden
On 28/01/2018 15:04, Steven D'Aprano wrote: I'm seeing this annoying practice more and more often. Even for trivial pieces of text, a few lines, people post screenshots instead of copying the code. Where has this meme come from? It seems to be one which inconveniences *everyone* involved: - for

Re: Simple graphic library for beginners

2018-01-12 Thread Tim Golden
On 12/01/2018 08:47, Paul Moore wrote: On 12 January 2018 at 01:21, bartc wrote: On 11/01/2018 23:23, Chris Angelico wrote: On Fri, Jan 12, 2018 at 10:11 AM, bartc wrote: I'm almost ready to plonk you, but I think there is still SOME value in your posts. But please, stop denigrating what

Re: [META] Are the list admins honouring Posting Prohibited demands?

2017-12-20 Thread Tim Golden
On 20/12/2017 05:52, Steve D'Aprano wrote: This is possibly a question for the list admins... I notice that Lawrence D’Oliveiro has taken up labelling his posts with a demand that his posts are not to be posted to the Python-List mailing list. I also see that his posts are not showing up on the

Re: Repeated Names (Repeated Names)

2017-12-17 Thread Tim Golden
On 17/12/2017 13:22, Jon Ribbens wrote: On 2017-12-17, Tim Golden wrote: On 17/12/17 00:10, Gregory Ewing wrote: The duplicate posts all seem to have this header: Injection-Info: news.bbs.geek.nz; posting-host="M6YmRdZYyc42DJk0lNlt/X4dpP4dzvceBNabSmESN3E"; logging-data=&q

Re: Repeated Names (Repeated Names)

2017-12-16 Thread Tim Golden
On 17/12/17 00:10, Gregory Ewing wrote: The duplicate posts all seem to have this header: Injection-Info: news.bbs.geek.nz; posting-host="M6YmRdZYyc42DJk0lNlt/X4dpP4dzvceBNabSmESN3E"; logging-data="4415"; mail-complaints-to="ab...@news.bbs.geek.nz" I've emailed the administrator of bbs.g

Re: unabe to import /pyd file.

2017-12-15 Thread Tim Golden
On 15/12/2017 09:58, supsw...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I have created one library file "modified_python_automation_tcl.py"..Inside my library file I have set of codes as follows. import sys import time from datetime import datetime import re,sys,os,itertools,datetime,commands,logging,math,time,copy

Re: repeating posts

2017-12-09 Thread Tim Golden
On 09/12/2017 05:35, Rustom Mody wrote: Repeating old posts again appearing [No not complaining… I know people are working on it. Thanks Skip and whoever else] Just thought I'd mention they are now mildly mojibaked I've just added a new filter and pinged the other list admins / postmaster.

Re: nospam ** infinity?

2017-11-28 Thread Tim Golden
On 28/11/2017 10:17, Thomas Jollans wrote: On 2017-11-28 02:14, Skip Montanaro wrote: I'm 99.5% certain it's not gate_news. A funny thing. All messages I have looked at so far with the "nospam" thing have a Message-ID from binkp.net. (They are also all Usenet posts.) For example: Newsgroups:

Re: Increasing the diversity of people who write Python

2017-11-28 Thread Tim Golden
On 28/11/2017 08:41, Paul Moore wrote: On 27 November 2017 at 19:05, Paul Moore wrote: On 27 November 2017 at 18:13, Skip Montanaro wrote: If you have a Windows key, you can assign it to be the Compose key. Would this be true on a machine running Windows? My work environment has me developi

Re: Easiest way to access C module in Python

2017-11-07 Thread Tim Golden
On 07/11/2017 14:20, bartc wrote: On 07/11/2017 13:30, Thomas Jollans wrote: On 2017-11-07 12:53, bartc wrote: Having said that, I located pip.exe, trying typing 'pip install cffi' and it seemed to be doing something but then failed with a bunch of errors.) So you're missing out on all of PyP

Re: Compression of random binary data

2017-10-24 Thread Tim Golden
On 24/10/2017 16:40, Lele Gaifax wrote: Steve D'Aprano writes: But given an empty file, how do you distinguish the empty file you get from 'music.mp3' and the identical empty file you get from 'movie.avi'? That's simple enough: of course one empty file would be "music.mp3.zip.zip.zip", while

Re: Want to write a python code for sending and receiving frames over wifi/wlan0 using python

2017-10-12 Thread Tim Golden
On 12/10/2017 09:08, T Obulesu wrote: Hello all, I want to send some frames defined by me{Example, [0x45,0x43,0x32]} to the raspberry pi from any macine(Desktop/Laptop/other raspberry pi). But I want to send those frames over wifi or use wlan0 using python Any suggestions? Are you talking abou

Re: pathlib PurePosixPath

2017-10-10 Thread Tim Golden
On 2017-10-10 10:58, Chris Angelico wrote: On Tue, Oct 10, 2017 at 8:56 PM, Tim Golden wrote: My understanding of the document you linked to is that the colon still has special meaning, and thus you can't use it in arbitrary file names. In fact its presence in that filename crea

Re: pathlib PurePosixPath

2017-10-10 Thread Tim Golden
On 2017-10-10 10:28, Chris Angelico wrote: On Tue, Oct 10, 2017 at 8:22 PM, Tim Golden wrote: On 2017-10-10 08:29, Chris Angelico wrote: On Tue, Oct 10, 2017 at 6:21 PM, Sayth Renshaw wrote: Hi How do I create a valid file name and directory with pathlib? When I create it using

Re: pathlib PurePosixPath

2017-10-10 Thread Tim Golden
On 2017-10-10 08:29, Chris Angelico wrote: On Tue, Oct 10, 2017 at 6:21 PM, Sayth Renshaw wrote: Hi How do I create a valid file name and directory with pathlib? When I create it using PurePosixPath I end up with an OSError due to an obvously invlaid path being created. You're on Windows.

Re: The mysterious ways of Python mailing list

2017-09-30 Thread Tim Golden
On 29/09/2017 18:15, Vincent Vande Vyvre wrote: Is it a reason why my messages appears always a long time (today 9 hours) on the list after I send it ? Vincent, Your address is being caught in our moderation traps for some reason. At the moment I'm away and on-line less than usual. Perhaps t

Re: Spacing conventions

2017-09-27 Thread Tim Golden
On 27/09/17 09:50, Bill wrote: If you are teaching beginning students, do you expect them to try to follow these sorts of conventions? Is it perfectly fine to let "taste" guide you (I'm just trying to get a feel for the philosophy here)? I few years ago I wrote a few short blog posts about

Re: Grumpy-pants spoil-sport [was Re: [Tutor] beginning to code]

2017-09-26 Thread Tim Golden
On 26/09/2017 15:16, Grant Edwards wrote: On 2017-09-26, Ned Batchelder wrote: On 9/25/17 10:20 PM, Steve D'Aprano wrote: On Tue, 26 Sep 2017 02:54 am, Ned Batchelder wrote: [...] We've been asked nicely by the list mod to stop :) Perhaps we could agree on a subject line tag to be used i

Re: Call by binding [was Re: [Tutor] beginning to code]

2017-09-25 Thread Tim Golden
On 25/09/2017 20:40, Marko Rauhamaa wrote: Rhodri James : On 25/09/17 15:26, Marko Rauhamaa wrote: That's not what I said. I said all expressions *evaluate to* pointers. This may well be true in particular implementations, but it is an implementation detail so Chris' point still stands. Anot

Re: Stdlib, what's in, what's out

2017-09-19 Thread Tim Golden
On 19/09/2017 09:05, Stefan Behnel wrote: The stdlib is there to provide a base level of functionality. That base level tends to be much higher up than in most other programming languages, but from the point of view of Python, it's still just a base level, however comfortable it might be. If you

Re: Old Man Yells At Cloud

2017-09-17 Thread Tim Golden
On 17/09/2017 14:34, breamore...@gmail.com wrote: On Sunday, September 17, 2017 at 2:16:48 PM UTC+1, bartc wrote: print can also be used for debugging, when it might be written, deleted and added again hundreds of times. So writing all those brackets becomes irksome. 'print' needs to be easy

Re: The Incredible Growth of Python (stackoverflow.blog)

2017-09-12 Thread Tim Golden
On 12/09/2017 12:20, Leam Hall wrote: But if someone comes onto the list, or IRC, and says they need to stay on Python 2 then please drop the dozens of e-mails and comments about upgrading. (Just spotted this quoted by Steven D'Aprano). Another factor of course is that people are reading and

Re: The Incredible Growth of Python (stackoverflow.blog)

2017-09-12 Thread Tim Golden
On 12/09/2017 12:20, Leam Hall wrote: This is an area the Python community can improve on. Even I would encourage someone new to Python and wanting to do webdev to use Python 3. But if someone comes onto the list, or IRC, and says they need to stay on Python 2 then please drop the dozens of e-

Re: Simple board game GUI framework

2017-09-11 Thread Tim Golden
On 11/09/2017 11:58, Paul Moore wrote: I'm doing some training for a colleague on Python, and I want to look at a bit of object orientation. For that, I'm thinking of a small project to write a series of classes simulating objects moving round on a chess-style board of squares. Don't know if yo

Re: Reading the documentation

2017-08-26 Thread Tim Golden
On 26/08/2017 03:22, Rick Johnson wrote: Steve D'Aprano wrote: Rustom Mody wrote: Ian wrote: "Larry Martell" wrote: 9:21 PM Rustom Mody wrote: Statement 1: Aeroplanes fly. Statement 2: Submarines swim. Are these two statements equally acceptable? [Inspired by a talk by Noam Chomsky] There

Re: Express thanks

2017-08-25 Thread Tim Golden
On 21/08/2017 15:34, Hamish MacDonald wrote: I wanted to give a shout out to the wonderfully passionate contributions to python I've witnessed following this and other mailing lists over the last little bit. The level of knowledge and willingness to help I've seen are truly inspiring. Super mo

Re: Recent Spam problem

2017-07-26 Thread Tim Golden
On 25/07/2017 06:13, Rustom Mody wrote: Of late there has been an explosion of spam Thought it was only a google-groups (USENET?) issue and would be barred from the mailing list. But then find its there in the mailing list archives as well Typical example: https://mail.python.org/pipermail/pyt

Re: how to get partition information of a hard disk with python

2017-07-07 Thread Tim Golden
On 07/07/2017 07:18, palashkhair...@gmail.com wrote: On Wednesday, September 22, 2010 at 4:01:04 AM UTC+5:30, Hellmut Weber wrote: Hi list, I'm looking for a possibility to access the partiton inforamtion of a hard disk of my computer from within a python program. Googling I found the module 'p

Meta: double posts [Was: School Management System in Python]

2017-07-05 Thread Tim Golden
Are you posting both to python-list@python.org and to comp.lang.python -- and under different names? If you are, please use one or the other: they mirror both ways, and we're seeing double posts which the gateway thinks are different because of a different sending address. Thanks TJG -- htt

Re: School Management System in Python

2017-07-05 Thread Tim Golden
On 05/07/2017 13:49, Thomas Nyberg wrote: On 07/05/2017 02:14 PM, Sam Chats wrote: Thanks for your suggestions. I would've not used pickle had I been aware about other tools while developing this. I was thinking about migrating to sqlite3. How about that? And yes, I need more comprehanesive do

Re: Spammy spam spam spam spam

2017-07-04 Thread Tim Golden
On 04/07/2017 16:40, Steve D'Aprano wrote: On Tue, 4 Jul 2017 10:55 pm, Case Solution & Analysis wrote: Our e-mail address is CASESOLUTIONSCENTRE (AT) GMAIL (DOT) COM. Please replace (at) by @ and (dot) by . Since we don't yet have a protocol for transmitting a punch to the face over TCP/IP,

Re: Rosetta: Sequence of non-squares

2017-05-02 Thread Tim Golden
On 02/05/2017 11:18, Rhodri James wrote: On 02/05/17 08:20, Mark Summerfield via Python-list wrote: (The posts are already filtered out of the official comp.lang.python list, but they can't do this for the Google Groups version.) Careful! The posts are filtered out of the official Python mail

Re: Bigotry (you win, I give up)

2017-04-26 Thread Tim Golden
On 26/04/2017 08:00, m.n.summerfield--- via Python-list wrote: Surely it is time to stop the "Robert L." emails? We're currently blocking the "Robert L." emails through the list gateway. And -- barring one, which was passed through by mistake -- I've not seen any hit the list itself lately. T

Re: Moderating the list [was: Python and the need for speed]

2017-04-13 Thread Tim Golden
On 13/04/2017 03:39, Jason Friedman wrote: However, it's simply a technical fact: the thing which we moderate is the mailing list. We can control which posts make it through from the newsgroup by blocking them at the gateway. But the posts will continue to appear on comp.lang.python which is, a

Moderating the list [was: Python and the need for speed]

2017-04-11 Thread Tim Golden
eve “Cheer up,” they said, “things could be worse.” So I cheered up, and sure enough, things got worse. What exactly do Tim Golden and Ethan Furman moderate on? We (and the other moderators) exactly moderate the mailing list. I have no authority over the newsgroup, and I don't kno

Re: Python and the need for speed

2017-04-11 Thread Tim Golden
On 11/04/2017 00:33, Chris Angelico wrote: If he does, it might be the final thing that gets him banned from the mailing list. A meta-note, since I happen to have seen this email come up. I don't know about the other list moderators, but I don't personally follow every sprawling thread and po

Re: What's the neatest way of getting dictionary entries in a specified order?

2017-03-09 Thread Tim Golden
On 08/03/2017 22:10, Chris Angelico wrote: On Thu, Mar 9, 2017 at 8:25 AM, Chris Green wrote: Chris Angelico wrote: On Thu, Mar 9, 2017 at 6:27 AM, Chris Green wrote: dbcol['firstname'] = col('First Name', True, False) dbcol['lastname'] = col('Last Name', True, False) http://www.k

Re: Who still supports recent Python on shared hosting

2017-03-06 Thread Tim Golden
On 06/03/2017 02:39, John Nagle wrote: I'm looking for shared hosting that supports at least Python 3.4. Hostgator: Highest version is Python 3.2. Dreamhost: Highest version is Python 2.7. Bluehost: Install Python yourself. InMotion: Their documentation says 2.6. Is Python on shared hosting dea

Re: Repeating of posts

2017-02-10 Thread Tim Golden
On 10/02/2017 16:20, Rob Gaddi wrote: On 02/10/2017 07:25 AM, Grant Edwards wrote: On 2017-02-10, Cecil Westerhof wrote: I see a lot of post delivered multiple times. Is that a problem at my side, or are others experiencing this also? I see it too. Same as a a month or two back, but not as

Re: Meta: mailing list, bounces, and SPF?

2017-02-03 Thread Tim Golden
On 03/02/2017 18:15, Tim Chase wrote: However, despite seeing messages appearing in the online archives, I'm not receiving anything via email. When I send a "subscribe" message to mailman, it responds telling me that I'm already subscribed (and checking the settings on the web interface confirm

Re: learning and experimenting python.

2017-01-01 Thread Tim Golden
On 02/01/17 06:40, Ian Kelly wrote: On Mon, Jan 2, 2017 at 12:15 AM, Ian Kelly wrote: Since they're unlikely to do that however, Then again, I see that einstein1410 made a couple of rather aggressive posts 11 hours ago that haven't made it to my email, so maybe he did manage to get himself ba

Re: Reading python list as a newsgroup (was ...)

2016-12-16 Thread Tim Golden
On 16/12/2016 16:12, D'Arcy Cain wrote: On 2016-12-16 10:11 AM, Grant Edwards wrote: I didn't notice much spam on c.l.p (but then again, I filter out all posts from google-groups). The problem on c.l.p that caused me to Yes, blocking GG was the biggest improvement to my reading this list (mai

Re: Problem running Python 3.5.2 on school network PC

2016-12-15 Thread Tim Golden
On 15/12/2016 16:11, Jed Mack wrote: We are having a problem running Python 3.5.2 on Windows 10 x64 computers, which are members of a school network. The program seems to install correctly, but when we try to run the program it stops and give an error message saying: *Fatal Python error: Py_Ini

Re: User Interface Suggestions? (newbie)

2016-10-06 Thread Tim Golden
On 06/10/2016 13:38, Peter Otten wrote: > BartC wrote: >> All this advice seems to be getting out of hand, with suggestions of >> 'curses' and 'blessings' and using GUI. I've tried 'ncurses' elsewhere >> and it was over the top for what I wanted to do. >> >> The OP wants to runs on Pi which I think

Abusive Italian Spam

2016-09-29 Thread Tim Golden
You may have noticed one or two more of the abusive spam messages slip through onto the list. We do have traps for these but, as with most such things, they need tuning. (We've discarded many more than you've seen). As ever, kudos to Mark Sapiro of the Mailman team for tweaking our custom filters

Re: Extend unicodedata with a name/pattern/regex search for character entity references?

2016-09-10 Thread Tim Golden
On 10/09/2016 11:26, Veek 'this_is_not_my_name' M wrote: Veek 'this_is_not_my_name' M wrote: /me claps TJG -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Algorithm for sequencing a collection of dependent equations

2016-07-22 Thread Tim Golden
On 22/07/2016 17:01, Malcolm Greene wrote: We're working on a DSL (domain specific language) that we translate into a list of tokenized expressions. My challenge is to figure out how to sequence evaluation of these expressions so that we evaluate these expressions in the proper order given that e

Re: Spurious issue in CPython 2.7.5

2016-05-25 Thread Tim Golden
On 25/05/2016 13:04, thomas povtal.org wrote: > 2016-05-24_08:15:40.84187 File "checkrc.pxd", line 14, in > zmq.core.checkrc._check_rc (zmq/core/socket.c:5932) > 2016-05-24_08:15:40.84187 OverflowError: long too big to convert That exception is arising from ZeroMQ's own code, by the look of it. (O

Re: a problem with importing pygame

2016-04-22 Thread Tim Golden
On 22/04/2016 09:07, Kiril Bard wrote: > I use python for my school work and I wanted to download it at home. I had > my teacher download the version to a flash drive and it still doesn't seem > to work. The version that I got from the flash drive was python 3.4.2 and > I think I got a 32 bit or a

Re: Running lpr on windows from python

2016-04-20 Thread Tim Golden
On 20/04/2016 15:21, loial wrote: > As I said, the lpr command works fine from the command prompt but not from > python. Sorry; I did miss that. > Everything is 64-bit (windows server 2012). > Is the Python installation also 64-bit? c:\python27\python.exe -c "import platform; print platform.a

Re: Running lpr on windows from python

2016-04-20 Thread Tim Golden
On 20/04/2016 14:57, loial wrote: > I am trying to run lpr from python 2.7.10 on windows > > However I always get the error > 'C:/windows/system32/lpr.exe ' is not recognized as an internal or external > command, > operable program or batch file. > > Even though typing the same at the command p

Re: Moderation and slight change of (de facto) policy

2016-04-19 Thread Tim Golden
On 19/04/2016 18:30, Random832 wrote: On Tue, Apr 19, 2016, at 12:05, Steven D'Aprano wrote: It's worse than that. There are many other places that mirror this group, such as gmane, Activestate, bytes.com, gossamer-threads.com, and of course Google Groups. Google groups goes through Usenet,

Re: Moderation and slight change of (de facto) policy

2016-04-19 Thread Tim Golden
On 19/04/2016 10:03, Jon Ribbens wrote: On 2016-04-17, Tim Golden wrote: On 17/04/2016 18:21, Wildman via Python-list wrote: On Sun, 17 Apr 2016 17:57:51 +0100, Tim Golden wrote: [... snip my explanation of new moderation for non-subscribers ...] How will this change affect posts to

Re: Moderation and slight change of (de facto) policy

2016-04-17 Thread Tim Golden
On 17/04/2016 18:21, Wildman via Python-list wrote: On Sun, 17 Apr 2016 17:57:51 +0100, Tim Golden wrote: [... snip my explanation of new moderation for non-subscribers ...] How will this change affect posts to comp.lang.python? Not at all, in the sense that the moderation doesn't

Moderation and slight change of (de facto) policy

2016-04-17 Thread Tim Golden
There's been a bit of chatter lately about the moderation on the Python List (and, indirectly, comp.lang.python). The list moderators have suspended a couple of posters for a while and we've been discussing a little our policy towards non-subscribed posts. First, a quick summary of the current

Re: The reason I uninstalled Python 3.5.1 (32-bit) for Windows

2016-04-13 Thread Tim Golden
On 13/04/2016 03:57, Jason Honeycutt wrote: > Hello, > > I am providing feedback as to why I just uninstalled Python. I could not > use pip. My command line would not recognize pip.exe as a file, even though > I could see the file listed when I type "dir" in the Scripts folder. > > I tried to rep

Re: Moderation and Usenet

2016-04-10 Thread Tim Golden
On 11/04/2016 04:32, Mario R. Osorio wrote: hmmm...He made an extremely kind comment a couple of days ago. It called my attention because is the first one ever (coming from) ... Now I'm thinking he might have just been sarcastic. Give him the benefit of the doubt. And BTW I myself have given

Re: Unacceptable behavior

2016-04-10 Thread Tim Golden
On 10/04/2016 18:15, breamore...@gmail.com wrote: [... snip Mark again, using a different address to avoid the moderation check ...] Mark, Please don't do this. If you genuinely want this list to be a useful and friendly resource, which is what your posts suggest, then please step back and

Re: Unacceptable behavior

2016-04-10 Thread Tim Golden
On 10/04/2016 15:03, Chris Angelico wrote: On Sun, Apr 10, 2016 at 11:54 PM, Jeff Schumaker wrote: As a new member of this group, I am not sure on how to report unacceptable behavior. If this is not the correct way, I apologize. Please check the following thread: Find the number of robots ne

Re: QWERTY was not designed to intentionally slow typists down

2016-04-09 Thread Tim Golden
On 09/04/2016 22:23, Mark Lawrence via Python-list wrote: [... snip ...] Mark, you're ranting. Have a little dignity, please, and back off. TJG -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: QWERTY was not designed to intentionally slow typists down

2016-04-09 Thread Tim Golden
On 09/04/2016 20:13, Mark Lawrence via Python-list wrote: On 09/04/2016 01:43, Ben Finney wrote: Dennis Lee Bieber writes: Yet another completely irrelevant thread that has nothing to do with Python. As this is meant to be the main Python mailing list, why don't the moderators put a stop to

Re: Request to mailing list Python-list rejected

2016-04-05 Thread Tim Golden
On 05/04/2016 08:34, Oscar Benjamin wrote: On 5 Apr 2016 03:50, wrote: Your request to the Python-list mailing list Posting of your message titled "Re: Plot/Graph" has been rejected by the list moderator. The moderator gave the following reason for rejecting your request: "Your messag

Re: Import error

2016-04-05 Thread Tim Golden
On 05/04/2016 10:53, Nicolae Morkov wrote: > What can I do I've tried everything > You attached a screenshot, which won't make it through to this text-only mailing list. Can you copy the actual text of the error message from the IDLE session and paste it here, please? TJG -- https://mail.

Re: Suggestion: make sequence and map interfaces more similar

2016-04-01 Thread Tim Golden
On 01/04/2016 08:59, Antoon Pardon wrote: > Op 31-03-16 om 16:12 schreef Mark Lawrence via Python-list: >> On 31/03/2016 14:27, Random832 wrote: >>> So can we discuss how a unified method to get a set of all valid >>> subscripts (and/or subscript-value pairs) on an object would be a useful >>> thin

Re: Learning Python (or Haskell) makes you a worse programmer

2016-03-30 Thread Tim Golden
On 30/03/2016 11:07, Sven R. Kunze wrote: > On 30.03.2016 01:29, Eric S. Johansson wrote: >> >> >> On 3/29/2016 6:05 AM, Sven R. Kunze wrote: >>> >>> Python = English >>> >> As someone who writes English text and code using speech recognition, >> I can assure you that Python is not English. :-) >

Re: Threading is foobared?

2016-03-27 Thread Tim Golden
On 27/03/2016 07:25, Random832 wrote: On Sat, Mar 26, 2016, at 23:18, Ben Finney wrote: What you've demonstrated is that at least one host is violating communication standards by altering existing reference fields on messages in transit. The usenet gateway relays posts that originated on the m

Re: The Cost of Dynamism (was Re: Pyhon 2.x or 3.x, which is faster?)

2016-03-23 Thread Tim Golden
On 23/03/2016 10:48, Chris Angelico wrote: > On Wed, Mar 23, 2016 at 9:34 PM, BartC wrote: >> Someone could be interested in cars, mechanics and performance without >> wanting to know the most Pythonic way to get from Kings Cross to Heathrow. > > But if I complain that the trek across four blocks

Re: How to waste computer memory?

2016-03-19 Thread Tim Golden
On 18/03/2016 18:18, sohcahto...@gmail.com wrote: On Thursday, March 17, 2016 at 7:34:46 AM UTC-7, wxjm...@gmail.com wrote: Very simple. Use Python and its (buggy) character encoding model. How to save memory? It's also very simple. Use a programming language, which handles Unicode correctly.

Re: Where is Python 3.6 installer for Win64?

2016-03-11 Thread Tim Golden
On 11/03/2016 19:24, Giga Image wrote: On Soruceforge, Python for Windows Extension, I noticed that they already haven a installer for Python 3.6. Where do I find Python 3.6 installer for Win64. I couldn't find it on Python.org/download page. The pywin32 crew are always ahead of the game: they

Public Service Announcement: planetpython.org

2016-03-09 Thread Tim Golden
For those who didn't know, we have a feed aggregator at https://planetpython.org. We're trying to clean up out-of-date or incorrect feed URLs. Planet Python config & (occasional) development happens on Github. So please check the Planet config files [1] to see if your blog is listed correctly, or

Re: Pyhon 2.x or 3.x, which is faster?

2016-03-09 Thread Tim Golden
On 09/03/2016 15:06, Jon Ribbens wrote: > On 2016-03-09, Steven D'Aprano wrote: >> generate the output. Without seeing the code you used, I have *no idea* how >> you could get that result. If you read the file in binary, you should get >> this: >> >> b'\xef\xbb\xbf\xe2\x82\xac\xe2\x82\xac\xe2\x82\

Re: How to get which attribute causes the AttributeError except inspecting strings?

2016-03-07 Thread Tim Golden
On 07/03/2016 16:25, Xiang Zhang wrote: > Hi, > > I know I can get the attribute name in some way, but since I just > want the attribute name when an AttributeError caused by it raised, I > really don't want to inspect the string or introduce one more layer > over getattr. I hope I can get the att

Re: importing

2016-03-07 Thread Tim Golden
On 07/03/2016 15:54, Tony van der Hoff wrote: > I thought I understood this, but apparently not: > Under py3: > > 1. "import tkinter" imports the whole module into the name space. Any > access to names therein must be prefixed with the module name. > ie top = tkinter.Tk() > But tkinter.messagebox.

Re: creating zipfile with symlinks

2016-03-04 Thread Tim Golden
On 04/03/2016 11:03, crankypuss wrote: > Larry Martell wrote: > >> I have a script that creates zip files of dirs containing symlinks. I >> was surprised to find that the zipfiles have zipped the targets of the >> links as opposed to the links themselves, which is what I wanted and >> expected. Go

Re: A mistake which almost went me mad

2016-03-03 Thread Tim Golden
On 03/03/2016 10:43, Nick Sarbicki wrote: > On Thu, Mar 3, 2016 at 10:26 AM ast wrote: > >> Hello >> >> This has to be told >> >> I created a file pickle.py >> > > You could stop there. > > The number of times I've had to correct a student for naming their script > "turtle.py". A few teachers

Fwd: [python-uk] URGENT: Volunteers for teacher collaboration please... :-)

2016-02-17 Thread Tim Golden
[Forwarding an email from python-uk in the hope that UK-based Pythonistas might see it here who don't hang out there...] From: Nicholas H.Tollervey Reply-To: UK Python Users To: UK Python Users Hi Folks, I realise I must sound like a stuck record about this sort of thing - please accept my si

Re: Changing A Subscription Option

2016-02-13 Thread Tim Golden
On 13/02/2016 23:15, Heaven Hodges wrote: Hello. Is there a way to change my subscription option from digest to individual e-mails? I couldn't find any information on the list web page: https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list. At the bottom of that page is a button to "Unsubscribe

Re: .py file won't open in windows 7

2016-02-04 Thread Tim Golden
On 04/02/2016 13:09, Tim Golden wrote: > On 04/02/2016 12:52, Yossifoff Yossif wrote: >> Hallow, >> I try to open a .py file (attached), but what I get is a windows DOS window >> opening and closing in a couple of seconds. Ran repair of the program, >> nothing happ

Re: .py file won't open in windows 7

2016-02-04 Thread Tim Golden
On 04/02/2016 12:52, Yossifoff Yossif wrote: > Hallow, > I try to open a .py file (attached), but what I get is a windows DOS window > opening and closing in a couple of seconds. Ran repair of the program, > nothing happened. > I cannot see error messages and don't know where to look for ones. >

Re: Need help on a project To :"Create a class called BankAccount with the following parameters "

2016-01-13 Thread Tim Golden
On 13/01/2016 14:43, Joel Goldstick wrote: > On Wed, Jan 13, 2016 at 8:37 AM, Chris Angelico wrote: > >> On Thu, Jan 14, 2016 at 12:28 AM, wrote: >>> please kindly inbox me the solution >>> >>> thanks in anticipation of your kind gesture >>> >>> >>> sammhielade...@gmail.com >> >> Don't you get

Re: Need solution with this problem

2016-01-13 Thread Tim Golden
On 13/01/2016 05:57, ifeanyioprah--- via Python-list wrote: [... snip yet another homework dump with one more still held in moderation ...] At this point you're basically spamming this list. I won't allow any more of your posts through unless they appear to be engaging with the help shown to you

Re: Python launcher options

2016-01-10 Thread Tim Golden
On 10/01/2016 05:18, Edward Diener wrote: On 1/9/2016 11:03 AM, Tim Golden wrote: On 06/01/2016 00:48, Edward Diener wrote: The Python launcher in Windows is a neat tool for running multiple versions of Python 2 and Python 3 at different times. It allows as options the ability to specify the

Re: Python launcher options

2016-01-09 Thread Tim Golden
On 06/01/2016 00:48, Edward Diener wrote: The Python launcher in Windows is a neat tool for running multiple versions of Python 2 and Python 3 at different times. It allows as options the ability to specify the latest version of either Python 2 or Python 3 defaulting to the 64-bit version if both

Re: licenses

2016-01-09 Thread Tim Golden
On 08/01/2016 19:41, Martinez, Jorge Alberto (GE Aviation) wrote: Hello We develop applications here with Python and I want to know if there's issues by using. We use NumPy, PyDaqMx, Py Visa How can we cover this licensing? [copying the answer I've just given over at webmaster@] I'm not sure

Re: Creating PST files using Python

2015-11-04 Thread Tim Golden
On 03/11/2015 22:12, Chris Angelico wrote: > On Wed, Nov 4, 2015 at 6:09 AM, Anthony Papillion > wrote: >> Does anyone know of a module that allows the wiring of Outlook PST >> files using Python? I'm working on a project that will require me >> to migrate 60gb of maildir mail (multiple accounts)

Re: python doesn't install

2015-11-02 Thread Tim Golden
On 02/11/2015 06:16, Tim Golden wrote: > On 02/11/2015 00:08, Daniel Joffe wrote: >> WinXP...32 bits...professional >> >> I keep getting message >> >> >> note also that there is no place on the install box to start...you just >> click somewhere, and t

Re: python doesn't install

2015-11-01 Thread Tim Golden
On 02/11/2015 00:08, Daniel Joffe wrote: WinXP...32 bits...professional I keep getting message note also that there is no place on the install box to start...you just click somewhere, and the install started. I'm afraid you've been bitten by the fact that we no longer support Windows XP an

Re: UNABLE TO GET IDLE TO RUN

2015-11-01 Thread Tim Golden
On 01/11/2015 14:27, Steven D'Aprano wrote: I remember from a few weeks back, a teacher with the same problem posted this on the mailinglist. Eventually she had a technician coming in to reinstall Windows, just to fix this problem ;-) What an overkill... If that is true, that's really sad. Were

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