sition that they were, and I
> quote, "broken and lame", assuming you mean the same stock Windoze
> keybindings you meant with the cryptic term "CUA standards".
Not really--they're broken and lame because they are less flexible and
powerful.
How 'bout you ac
or written for your
> platform and get access to the real thing?
Because it's nice having the same interface no matter what. Because
GUIs come and GUIs go (remember CDE? OpenView?), but emacs will always
be there. Because it's nice being able to fire up emacs and not care
what platform one is running on.
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e app
> for unix systems (with the inevitable MS-DOS ports and others).
No, as I've said over and over and over again, emacs is not what you
think it is. It has a GUI; it has colours; it can display images; it
can use the native widget set. It can even be configured to use native
keybindin
Twisted <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> On Jun 23, 8:35 pm, Robert Uhl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Twisted <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>>
>> > For an example of the latter, consider opening a file. Can't remember
>> > the exact spelling and
ck?
Check out nethack.el <http://www.nongnu.org/nethack-el/>. You can run
nethack within emacs. This, of course, means that there _is_ a kitchen
sink within emacs (when it's running nethack within itself)...
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I don't think the Jav
e some memory of such a project existing
> somewhere).
Agreed. Stallman got sidetracked by Scheme, which IMHO was a dead-end.
A Common Lisp emacs would be pretty sweet. There's a Climacs project,
but they're just focused on providing an editor, not on providing a
full-fl
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>
> So now we're expected to go on a filesystem fishing expedition instead
> of just hit F1?
Interestingly enough, f1 _is_ bound to the help system in emacs. So's
C-h. So's the 'help' key.
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tutorial'; the second is 'Emacs tutorial (choose language).'
If you had ever actually run emacs you'd know this.
Do you think that Mercedes are awful cars because their engines don't
start when you turn the key in the igniti
x27;ve never actually run emacs, have you?
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tures when
> fiddling about in the shell. shells have a lot of context if you use
> them effectively. context that isn't easy to transport between the
> shell and emacs -- and it isn't really easy to explain either.
M-x shell, or M-x terminal
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w I learnt emacs. I was 13, and had only ever used Mac
software up until that point. I had a fairly limited command set
(basically, C-x C-f, C-x C-s & C-x C-c).
> One person elsewhere in this thread even went so far as to suggest
> that to avoid having a similar hurdle wit
ng the assumption that Mac OS in 1984 offered some textual
capability (textual, since we're discussing text editing) which emacs
did not. It didn't.
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forth.
It's Mac OS and Windows which are inconsistent. Emacs has been around
since they were mere glimmers in the eye of Jobs & Gates...
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interface conventions--you've just forgotten them), but it is easy to
use. A Windows or Mac OS text editor may have an easier learning curve,
but it'll never be as easy to use.
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rching would interrupt one's flow of thought rather than
being part of it.
> Between Windows bugs and gratuitous misfeatures (e.g. DRM) and Unix
> clunkiness, billions of dollars of potential productivity is lost
> worldwide every *month*.
You left out user refusal to learn...
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a half
hours of wasted time. And you'd now be using an actual text editor,
which is often helpful.
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sendmail itself after all; it's actually a subliminal
d so forth). Granted, text-mode is friendlier than
fundamental-mode. Still, as a pico replacement emacs works well
enough--and as the user continue to works, he discovers more and more
functionality, eventually having a 10,000-line .emacs...
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ture checking.
It's not optimal, but I think it'd get the job done.
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So how *do* you determine the gender of bread? Ah, no doubt L'Academie
has vast teams of staff who wander through France assigning gender to
inanimate objects, in
ould argue that optimisation for unit
conversion is the wrong choice when designing a system of measures. But
this is not the venue for such a discussion, so I'll stop now:-)
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w
Christophe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Robert Uhl a écrit :
>
>> The argument from popularity is invalid. French units have overtaken
>> standard units,
>
> Never heard of that French unit thing. Unless you talk about that
> archaic unit system that was in
ademic in both languages with modern editors...
Or even nearly 30 year old editors; emacs provides support for
error-free selection of s-expressions, although to be frank I still
don't use them as often as I should.
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Thanks to the joint e
I've not written code to 'consume web-services,' but I daresay that
NET.HTML.CLIENT (believe that's the name) would do the trick.
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If anybody can show me in the Bible the command, 'Thou shalt not smoke,'
I am ready to
#x27;t prove anything
whatsoever (as I imagine that your stuff was a _lot_ more complex),
except maybe how great the FSF is for giving away this sort of thing for
free.
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uldn't infect package B
unless B allowed it to.
In other words, you have to put the bullet in the chamber, take off the
safety and point the gun at your foot.
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What some idiot in Glasgow or NYC, what a million idiots do, has nothing
at all to
gency they
wouldn't run (as they require X).
Now, force me to write Lisp _or_ Python in ed and things will get very
ugly...
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Whoa, there. Those are some strong words for somebody who doesn't
even own a machine gun. --Milkman Dan
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tain their code.
Emacs has been used for almost thirty years now, by tens (hundreds?) of
thousands of programmers, and extended by almost every one of them.
> The benefits of extending a language in a domain specific manner are
> exaggerated.
Certainly they seem useful to the au
to get back to it but haven't yet.
I pretty much skipped that chapter. The bit where it gets mind-boggling
is where he creates ID3-tag reading classes from binary-reading
primitives and ends up with a complete ID3 library in very few lines of
code.
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r you is a cut-down version of Lisp with worse performance.
Pretty much;-)
Fewer features, worse performance. Why use 'em? In my case, because
the standard library is larger, and because I can get my teammates to
use 'em.
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When you di
, and French units may
be better when dealing with users thereof).
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Traditionally, there are only three classes of people who use 'we' in
describing themselves: Royalty (which you aren't), editors (no evidence
that this applies) and p
functions; it's a second order of structure.
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hon generators as Lisp macros in any
> reasonable way.
I'm pretty certain it could be done with conditions.
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ommunity is small and exceedingly bright; it doesn't suffer
fools gladly. Python's is larger and friendlier, realising that we were
all fools once and that with education many of us get better.
o Top-notch Web frameworks
Pylons and Django are nice to use and take care of a lot of the
bo
osomething x))
Which doesn't seem particularly more or less prefixy or infixy than the
Python version.
Infix is really only used in arithmetic--and there are Lisp macros which
give one infix notation if wanted, so one could write:
(infix 1 + x / 4)
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e's an editor for it that indents automatically?
Because it's the language for which indentation is automatically
determinable. That is, one can copy/paste a chunk of code, hit a key
and suddenly everything is nicely indented.
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Flagrant system
big, but it's simple enough to write a
map-new-object or loop-new-object or whatever).
Library-wise, Python is pretty much a superset of Lisp, and in fact many
of the things Lisp was criticised for providing as a standard part of
the language are also standard parts of Python.
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Ken Tilton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> Set Kelvin, and make Celsius and Fahrneheit functions of that.
Or Rankine:-)
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