Hi everyone,
I just read the release announcement for Magic Wormhole 0.19.0, and I wanted to
start a thread here to appreciate the work and open up discussion for anyone
using or interested in it.
Some exciting highlights:
New status feedback API, finally, some clean visibility into code consumpt
Thanks for sharing the update, Meejah! Great to see the addition of the status
feedback API and improved Dilation handling, those changes should definitely
enhance usability and performance. Also appreciate the move to pytest and the
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Being a user of that list i've also noticed that only recently. hope that
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other alternative lists? Thx
On Wed, 28 May 2025, 01:35 Alan Gauld via Python-list, <
python-list@python.org> wrote:
> I am the mo
ke 28.5.2025 klo 1.45 Thomas Passin (li...@tompassin.net) kirjoitti:
> On 5/27/2025 10:41 AM, Roland Mueller via Python-list wrote:
> > To get a list of files in a given directory one can use glob.glob and
>
> The OP had a different problem. He wanted to find a config file of
&g
Message received!
Hope you enjoyed your holiday...
On 28/05/25 12:00, Alan Gauld via Python-list wrote:
On 28/05/2025 00:32, Alan Gauld via Python-list wrote:
The archives are still there and the sign-up page seems to
work, but it doesn't recognise me. I tried signing up as
a new m
On 28/05/2025 00:32, Alan Gauld via Python-list wrote:
> The archives are still there and the sign-up page seems to
> work, but it doesn't recognise me. I tried signing up as
> a new member with a different address and that seems to work(ie no
> errors) but I still don;t see any
I am the moderator of the python tutor mailing list.
Or at least I was. It seems the tutor list has been deleted.
I came back from vacation to find that I can't access it.
Nobody told me anything in advance. I've tried emailing
postmaster but got no response.
I wonder if anyone here has any idea
he parts for the glob mask together
instead of plain '/'.
>
>
> ti 27.5.2025 klo 17.05 Peter J. Holzer (hjp-pyt...@hjp.at) kirjoitti:
>
>> On 2025-05-24 17:18:11 -0600, Mats Wichmann wrote:
>> > On 5/23/25 16:05, Rob Cliffe via Python-list wrote:
>> &g
s and add the resulting list of
files.
>>> tmp_files = []
>>> for dir in ['/tmp', '/var/tmp']:
... tmp_files += [f for f in glob(dir + '/*') if isfile(f) ]
ti 27.5.2025 klo 17.05 Peter J. Holzer (hjp-pyt...@hjp.at) kirjoitti:
> On 2025-05-
Here’s the second 3.14 beta.
https://www.python.org/downloads/release/python-3140b2/
This is a beta preview of Python 3.14
Python 3.14 is still in development. This release, 3.14.0b2, is the second
of four planned beta releases.
Beta release previews are intended to give the wider community the
On Sun, 25 May 2025 at 10:05, Rob Cliffe via Python-list
wrote:
> Yes, but if I understand correctly, they all start from a single
> directory (and work downwards if required).
> My suggestion involved searching a *list* (possibly multiple lists) of
> directories.
for dir in dirs:
On 25/05/2025 00:18, Mats Wichmann wrote:
On 5/23/25 16:05, Rob Cliffe via Python-list wrote:
On 23/05/2025 18:55, Mats Wichmann wrote:
On 5/22/25 21:04, Rob Cliffe via Python-list wrote:
It occurs to me that it might be useful if Python provided a
function to search for a file with a
On 22/05/2025 15.27, Stefan Ram wrote:
"Michael F. Stemper" wrote or quoted:
Should I specify the location of the config file with a command-line
option, or is requiring the program to be executed in the directory
containing the configuration file considered acceptable practice?
It was me
On 22/05/2025 20:59, Michael F. Stemper wrote:
I recently wrote a program to do some record-keeping for me. I found
myself hard-coding a bunch of different values into it. This didn't
seem right, so I made my first use of configparser.ConfigParser().
Created the configuration file and everything
On 23/05/2025 18:55, Mats Wichmann wrote:
On 5/22/25 21:04, Rob Cliffe via Python-list wrote:
It occurs to me that it might be useful if Python provided a function
to search for a file with a given name in various directories (much
as the import.import_lib function searches for a module in
On 2025-05-23, Thomas Passin wrote:
>> Alternatively look at the PATH envronment variable, which
>> contains a list of directories separated by semicolons and which you can
>> access as os.environ['PATH'] .
>
> There is really no reason for a config file to be on the system
> path.
On Unix/Lin
It occurs to me that it might be useful if Python provided a function to
search for a file with a given name in various directories (much as the
import.import_lib function searches for a module in the directories in
sys.path).
This function would perhaps be best placed in the os.path or os modu
On 22/05/2025 23:45, Mats Wichmann wrote:
On 5/22/25 13:59, Michael F. Stemper via Python-list wrote:
I recently wrote a program to do some record-keeping for me. I found
myself hard-coding a bunch of different values into it. This didn't
seem right, so I made my first u
I recently wrote a program to do some record-keeping for me. I found
myself hard-coding a bunch of different values into it. This didn't
seem right, so I made my first use of configparser.ConfigParser().
Created the configuration file and everything is working fine.
However, I wrote it based on t
ly add methods, conditionally provide different method
bodies, conditionally provide different arguments to parametrized
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under the name
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On 19/05/2025 23:11, Thomas Passin via Python-list wrote:
On 5/19/2025 5:49 PM, Mats Wichmann via Python-list wrote:
On 5/19/25 09:51, Jonathan Gossage via Python-list wrote:
I have created a dynamic class using the type() function:
x = type('MyFlags', (), {'Flag1': 1, &
On 5/19/2025 5:49 PM, Mats Wichmann via Python-list wrote:
On 5/19/25 09:51, Jonathan Gossage via Python-list wrote:
I have created a dynamic class using the type() function:
x = type('MyFlags', (), {'Flag1': 1, 'Flag2': 2, 'Flag3: 4, '
'__init__&#
On 5/19/25 09:51, Jonathan Gossage via Python-list wrote:
I have created a dynamic class using the type() function:
x = type('MyFlags', (), {'Flag1': 1, 'Flag2': 2, 'Flag3: 4, ' '__init__' :
__init__})
The new class is there, and the cla
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Am 18.05.2025 22:16 schrieb Larry Martell via Python-list:
https://youtu.be/pqBqdNIPrbo?si=P2ukSXnDj3qy3HBJ
Awesome! Which release channels will be used? How can we pay?
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On 5/18/25 15:16, Larry Martell wrote:
https://youtu.be/pqBqdNIPrbo?si=P2ukSXnDj3qy3HBJ
Get ready Guido:
"I'd like to thank the Academy ..."
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On 5/18/25 08:39, Mike Dewhirst via Python-list wrote:
Apologies for top-posting. It's my phone's fault.Since no-one appears to have
responded, I'll stir up some aggro and offer my opinion based on ~45 years
experience with Microsoft.Uninstall python/idle etc completely and
https://youtu.be/pqBqdNIPrbo?si=P2ukSXnDj3qy3HBJ
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when installed using
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so please fix that
Thanks a lot in advance and keep up the good work
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tk config files
somewhere.
i would aprichiate any help on that.
thanks a lot in advance,
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On 5/8/2025 2:05 AM, Left Right via Python-list wrote:
Also, it appears that the change linked above is a lie:
https://docs.python.org/3/reference/lexical_analysis.html#grammar-token-python-grammar-longstringitem
According to the grammar, any character can follow backslash in a
valid Python
hat I said. Currently it's a warning. If and
when it becomes an error, presumably the grammar documentation will be
updated to reflect that. If it isn't, you'll have cause to complain, but
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. It makes the discussion easier to follow, especially for
those of us who read the comp.lang.python Usenet newsgroup rather
than the mailing list.
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Chris and Oleg (sp?), please control your tempers; your latter posts added
nothing useful to the conversation.
(Apologies for the late reply, I was out of town.)
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rd, you could at least try to find the
irony, that was the larger goal, than to immediately presume you are
being attacked, and start retaliating instead of looking into the
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> But the message doesn't say it's an error. It uses the word "warning",
> not "error". You're tilting at a straw horse here.
Read the associate release note.
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"lie"
means to you, but I suggest that it explains the harsh reaction to
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Anyone going to PyCon? I'll be there, getting in Tuesday night.
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ly care. All it really proves is
> that you have zero respect for anyone else.
>
> ChrisA
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to spell my
name correctly.
You can leave that there, I don't really care. All it really proves is
that you have zero respect for anyone else.
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then. Prove it. You're all hot air and opinions and bluster.
> Show some actual code, and show that you can do right what you're
> complaining that Python has done wrong.
>
> I'm not holding my breath.
>
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Oh, so this is where 4chan relocated after they were hacked?
What a refined discussion!
On Sun, May 11, 2025 at 5:28 PM Chris Angelico wrote:
>
> On Mon, 12 May 2025 at 01:24, Left Right via Python-list
> wrote:
> >
> > But, sure, go ahead, foam at the mouth, if it
>
On Mon, 12 May 2025 at 01:24, Left Right via Python-list
wrote:
>
> But, sure, go ahead, foam at the mouth, if it
> makes you feel better about it.
Projecting, much?
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hat you can do right what you're
complaining that Python has done wrong.
I'm not holding my breath.
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Hahah... what a pile of rubbish. The point is that the error is wrong.
It cannot be a syntax error and at the same time the program compiles.
You need to choose one. But, sure, go ahead, foam at the mouth, if it
makes you feel better about it.
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> Have you ever built a language parser?
I've lost count by now. Probably fewer than hundred times though.
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On 2025-05-11 12:36:31 +0200, Left Right via Python-list wrote:
> Then it just means that the grammar lies.
No, because the parser accepts the sequence. And it produces exactly
what the description says.
The program
#!/usr/bin/python3
print("start")
for i in range(3):
print(&
On 05/11/2025 6:36 AM EDT Left Right via Python-list
<[1]python-list@python.org> wrote:
Then it just means that the grammar lies. The two claims are mutually
exclusive, so either one is a lie or the other or both.
No, it more points out that not all erro
On Sun, 11 May 2025 at 20:38, Left Right via Python-list
wrote:
>
> My comment was more of an irony really. It's plenty obvious that the
> grammar is a lie. The reason is that it's tedious to put the actual
> intender rules into the grammar, and so whoever wrote the gr
May 11, 2025 at 12:11 PM Peter J. Holzer via Python-list
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>
> On 2025-05-08 08:05:54 +0200, Left Right via Python-list wrote:
> > Also, it appears that the change linked above is a lie:
>
> Such strong words ...
>
>
> > https://docs.python.org/3/
On 2025-05-08 08:05:54 +0200, Left Right via Python-list wrote:
> Also, it appears that the change linked above is a lie:
Such strong words ...
> https://docs.python.org/3/reference/lexical_analysis.html#grammar-token-python-grammar-longstringitem
>
> According to the grammar, a
ontributed by Victor
> Stinner in gh-98401.)
>
> Found in:
> https://docs.python.org/3/whatsnew/3.12.html#other-language-changes
>
> It's not supposed to crash your program though. If the program crashes
> because of it, it's a bug in Python.
>
> On Thu, May 8, 202
your program though. If the program crashes
because of it, it's a bug in Python.
On Thu, May 8, 2025 at 7:00 AM Bob van der Poel via Python-list
wrote:
>
> Did something change in python buggering up my use of a "\ " sequence in a
> triple quoted string?
>
> I have y
as a comment at the top of a function. I changed the "\" to a
"/" and all is well now.
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before I realised that the lists non_hierarchical, uses_query
and uses_fragment are not used. With only three options instead of six, making
a strategy object is not quite as attractive. But still worth considering.
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and Gopher.
gemini://woodpeckersnest.space/~schapps/journal/2024-05-28-censoring-gemini-and-gopher.gmi
Schimon
On Tue, 22 Apr 2025 15:33:52 +0100
"Henry S. Thompson" wrote:
> Schimon Jehudah via Python-list writes:
>
> > Yesterday, I have added support for a new syndication f
Schimon Jehudah via Python-list writes:
> Yesterday, I have added support for a new syndication format, Gemini
> feed.
I note that 'gemini' is not (yet?) a registered URI scheme:
https://www.iana.org/assignments/uri-schemes/uri-schemes.xhtml
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Peter J. Holzer wrote:
> On 2025-04-18 13:08:36 -0400, Thomas Passin via Python-list wrote:
...
>> When the system launches its application the PYTHONPATH will start with
>> system site directories; local user site directories will be on the
>> PYTHONPATH but since they come l
~schapps/journal/2025-04-20-slixfeed-gemini-and-twtxt.gmi', query='',
fragment='')
>>>
>>>
https://git.xmpp-it.net/sch/Slixfeed/src/branch/master/slixfeed/parser/gmi.py
Is this a problem with the module urljoin?
To whom should reports about such concern be conveyed?
Please advise.
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On 4/19/2025 4:56 AM, Peter J. Holzer via Python-list wrote:
On 2025-04-18 13:08:36 -0400, Thomas Passin via Python-list wrote:
On 4/18/2025 11:38 AM, Peter J. Holzer via Python-list wrote:
On 2025-04-18 13:24:28 +1200, Greg Ewing via Python-list wrote:
On 18/04/25 9:41 am, Mats Wichmann
On 2025-04-18 13:08:36 -0400, Thomas Passin via Python-list wrote:
> On 4/18/2025 11:38 AM, Peter J. Holzer via Python-list wrote:
> > On 2025-04-18 13:24:28 +1200, Greg Ewing via Python-list wrote:
> > > On 18/04/25 9:41 am, Mats Wichmann wrote:
> > > > There'
On 2025-04-18 17:11:33 +0100, Oscar Benjamin via Python-list wrote:
> On Fri, 18 Apr 2025 at 16:50, Peter J. Holzer via Python-list
> wrote:
> >
> > On 2025-04-18 13:24:28 +1200, Greg Ewing via Python-list wrote:
> > > On 18/04/25 9:41 am, Mats Wichmann wrote:
> &
On 4/18/2025 11:38 AM, Peter J. Holzer via Python-list wrote:
On 2025-04-18 13:24:28 +1200, Greg Ewing via Python-list wrote:
On 18/04/25 9:41 am, Mats Wichmann wrote:
There's just not a really great answer to this.
Seems to me a system-installed application shouldn't be look
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wrote:
>
> On 2025-04-18 13:24:28 +1200, Greg Ewing via Python-list wrote:
> > On 18/04/25 9:41 am, Mats Wichmann wrote:
> > > There's just not a really great answer to this.
> >
> > Seems to me a
On 2025-04-18 13:24:28 +1200, Greg Ewing via Python-list wrote:
> On 18/04/25 9:41 am, Mats Wichmann wrote:
> > There's just not a really great answer to this.
>
> Seems to me a system-installed application shouldn't be looking in the
> user's .local packages in
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On 4/17/25 15:15, Grant Edwards via Python-list wrote:
On 2025-04-17, Left Right via Python-list wrote:
Also... when installing stuff with pip --user, it is always a package
that is not installed for the system (usually not even available for
the system). How can that "break system pac
On 2025-04-17, Left Right via Python-list wrote:
>> Also... when installing stuff with pip --user, it is always a package
>> that is not installed for the system (usually not even available for
>> the system). How can that "break system packages"?
>
> pip insta
The reason it doesn't happen very often is that package
maintainers kind of trust each other to be nice. There aren't really
any safeguards to prevent malicious actors from doing this, but you
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On 4/17/2025 4:58 AM, Roel Schroeven via Python-list wrote:
Op 15/04/2025 om 20:31 schreef Mats Wichmann via Python-list:
To be clear: you do not have to activate a virtualenv to use *Python*
from it. If you just call the python by the path it's in, it figures
everything out (and sets
Op 15/04/2025 om 20:31 schreef Mats Wichmann via Python-list:
To be clear: you do not have to activate a virtualenv to use *Python*
from it. If you just call the python by the path it's in, it figures
everything out (and sets some variables you can query vi sysconfig if
you have reas
On 4/15/2025 5:38 PM, rbowman via Python-list wrote:
On Tue, 15 Apr 2025 14:12:19 -0400, Thomas Passin wrote:
On Linux, at least, it's standard for pip to install into the user's
site-packages location if it's not invoked with admin privileges - even
without --user. Pip will
27;s is 24.3.1 but neither of them show
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On 2025-04-16, Mats Wichmann via Python-list wrote:
> On 4/15/25 16:07, Grant Edwards via Python-list wrote:
>> On 2025-04-15, Thomas Passin via Python-list wrote:
>>
>>> On Linux, at least, it's standard for pip to install into the user's
>>> site
On 4/15/25 16:07, Grant Edwards via Python-list wrote:
On 2025-04-15, Thomas Passin via Python-list wrote:
On Linux, at least, it's standard for pip to install into the user's
site-packages location if it's not invoked with admin privileges - even
without --user. Pip will
On 2025-04-15, Thomas Passin via Python-list wrote:
> On Linux, at least, it's standard for pip to install into the user's
> site-packages location if it's not invoked with admin privileges - even
> without --user. Pip will emit a message saying so. Well, that used to
/lib/python3.10/site-packages' left over
from earlier versions of Ubuntu.
However on Fedora 42 with 3.13.2
Defaulting to user installation because normal site-packages is not
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On 4/15/2025 3:41 PM, dn via Python-list wrote:
Various responses have been provided but the OP has not yet replied on-
list (as verified by Archive). Is this an error with the list-processor
or have some posts been sent to one person only (using Reply instead of
ReplyList)?
There are always
On 4/15/2025 12:43 PM, Friedrich Romstedt via Python-list wrote:
Am Mo., 14. Apr. 2025 um 01:14 Uhr schrieb Jonathan Gossage via Python-list
:
I am using *Python 3.13* in a virtual environment under *Ubuntu Linux
24.04*
.
[...]
Instead, it was
installed into the site-packages directory in
-discussions -
but will hearing only half of some of the conversation help them?
On 14/04/25 11:33, dn via Python-list wrote:
On 14/04/25 11:10, Jonathan Gossage via Python-list wrote:
I am using *Python 3.13* in a virtual environment under *Ubuntu Linux
24.04*
.
The version of Python was compiled
On 4/15/25 10:43, Friedrich Romstedt via Python-list wrote:
Many people put emphasis on that you need to *activate* a virtualenv before
using it, but no-one so far stressed the fact that you got Sphinx installed
to ~/jonathan/.local/lib/python3.13/site-packages *without using *--user.
To be
Am Mo., 14. Apr. 2025 um 01:14 Uhr schrieb Jonathan Gossage via Python-list
:
> I am using *Python 3.13* in a virtual environment under *Ubuntu Linux
> 24.04*
> .
> [...]
> Instead, it was
> installed into the site-packages directory in
> */home/jonathan/.locals/lib/pyt
te.ps1 is in the
Scripts subdirectory and you do run it directly. On Linux the python in
bin is usually a symlink, although you can specify it to be copied with a
parameter to venv. Symlinks on Windows are problematic but the process is
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venv's active script (with the ~ expanded to the path of his home
directory).
(I'm relatively new at this. Please let me know if I've gotten any of
the details wrong.)
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On 4/14/2025 6:20 PM, Keith Thompson via Python-list wrote:
Thomas Passin writes:
[...]
To activate a venv, you have to source its activate script, which is
in the venv. First you have to mark it as executable. Then you source
it -
source ~/venv/gf4/bin/activate
[...]
No, you don't ha
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Thomas Passin writes:
[...]
To activate a venv, you have to source its activate script, which is
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it -
source ~/venv/gf4/bin/activate
[...]
No, you don't ha
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;> wrote:
On 4/13/2025 7:10 PM, Jonathan Gossage via Python-list wrote:
> I am using *Python 3.13* in a virtual environment under *Ubuntu
Linux 24.04*
> .
> The version of Python was compiled from source code and installed
with make
> altinstall. I at
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