Phillip B Oldham writes:
> I've been taking a look at the multitude of coroutine libraries
> available for Python, but from the looks of the projects they all seem
> to be rather "quiet". I'd like to pick one up to use on a current
> project but can't deduce which is the most popular/has the larg
Dennis Lee Bieber writes:
> About the only place one commonly sees leading zeros on decimal
> numbers, in my experience, is zero-filled COBOL data decks (and since
> classic COBOL stores in BCD anyway... binary (usage is
> computational/comp-1) was a later add-on to the data specification mo
"Rami Chowdhury" writes:
> IIRC Postgres has had ON DUPLICATE KEY UPDATE functionality longer than
> MySQL...
PostgreSQL does not have ON DUPLICATE KEY UPDATE.
The SQL standard way to do what the OP wants is MERGE. PostgreSQL
doesn't have that either.
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Chris Green wrote:
> Currently I run mutt on a remote server where I have to use maildir
> because their file systems are mounted noatime. I am moving to reading
> mail on my own Linux box just because I want to get back to mbox, [...]
For what it's worth, setting 'check_mbox_size = yes' is usuall
Jim Garrison writes:
> buf = f.read(1)
> while len(buf) > 0
> # do something
> buf = f.read(1)
I think it's more usual to use a 'break' rather than duplicate the read.
That is, something more like
while True:
buf = f.read(1)
"Rhodri James" writes:
> But do you, though? The only occasion I can think of that I'd want
> the search to go past the instance is this "auto-initialisation",
> and frankly I'd rather do that in an __init__ anyway. Perhaps
> static methods or class methods work that way, I don't know how
> the
John Posner writes:
> My question is ... WHY does the interpreter silently create the
> instance attribute at this point, causing a "surprising decoupling"
> from the class attribute? WHY doesn't the interpreter behave as it
> would with a simple, non-instance variable:
> > python
> Python 2
"Rhodri James" writes:
> On Sun, 15 Mar 2009 13:26:17 -0000, Matthew Woodcraft
>> It seems clear to me that Maxim understood all this when he asked his
>> original question (you need to understand this subtlety to know why
>> the trick he was asking about
Gary Herron writes:
> Gary Herron wrote:
> No, you are still misinterpreting your results. But you can be forgiven
> because this is quite a subtle point about Python's attribute access.
>
> Here's how it works:
>
> On access, self.count (or self.anything) attempts to find "count" in
> the inst
Gary Herron writes:
> But now you are not listening to what people are telling you. It has
> *nothing* to do with the mutability/immutability of the integer and the list
> your two classes create.
No! Did you run the code he posted? The immutability makes all the
difference.
> The difference
"Hendrik van Rooyen" writes:
> "Christian Heimes" wrote:
> on the surface JN has a point - If you have to go through two
> conversions, then 2.6 does not achieve what it appears to set out to
> do. So the issue is simple:
> - do you have to convert twice?
> - If yes - why? - as he says - there
Ron Garret writes:
> Put this another way: I would have thought that when the Python parser
> parses "u'\xb5'" it would produce the same result as calling
> unicode('\xb5'), but it doesn't. Instead it seems to produce the same
> result as calling unicode('\xb5', 'latin-1'). But my default encoding
Steve Holden writes:
> Unknown wrote:
>> On 2009-01-12, John Machin wrote:
>>
>>> I didn't think your question was stupid. Stupid was (a) CP/M recording
>>> file size as number of 128-byte sectors, forcing the use of an in-band
>>> EOF marker for text files (b) MS continuing to regard Ctrl-Z as
Mike B writes:
> I'm trying to get Subversion 'hook scripts' working on an Ubuntu box and the
> following fails.
>
> from svn import fs, repos, core, delta
[...]
> 'svn' appears to be a SWIG wrapper and could be what I'm looking for, but I
> cannot find it anywhere.
>
> Can anyone point me in the r
GHZ <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> I would like to say something like:
>
> for filename in os.listdir(DIR) if filename[-4:] == '.xml':
>
>
>
> instead of having to say:
>
> for filename in os.listdir(DIR):
> if filename[-4:] == '.xml':
>
If the reason you don't like this one is t
Laszlo Nagy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> The facts table cannot be kept in memory because it is too big. I need to
> store it on disk, be able to read incrementally, and make statistics. In most
> cases, the "statistic" will be simple sum of the measures, and counting the
> number of facts affect
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> How do I redirect ALL stderr stuff to syslog, even stderr from
> external programs that don't explicitly change their own stderr?
Sending messages to syslog involves more than writing to a file
descriptor, so there's no way to make this happen without having som
Gabriel Genellina wrote:
> Steven D'Aprano wrote:
>> I have searched for, but been unable to find, standard library
>> functions that escapes or unescapes URLs. Are there any such
>> functions?
> Yes: cgi.escape/unescape, and xml.sax.saxutils.escape/unescape.
I don't see a cgi.unescape in the st
Steven D'Aprano wrote:
> I'm using urllib.urlretrieve() to download HTML pages, and I've hit a
> snag with URLs containing ampersands:
>
> http://www.example.com/parrot.php?x=1&y=2
>
> Somewhere in the process, urls like the above are escaped to:
>
> http://www.example.com/parrot.php?x=1&y=2
>
> w
Thomas Troeger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Will this disappear in Python 3.0., i.e. can you again simply write
>
> class A:
>
> and inherit from object automagically?
Short answer: yes.
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Steven D'Aprano wrote:
>On Thu, 31 Jul 2008 22:01:48 +0100, Matthew Woodcraft wrote:
>> The point is that if you tell people that "if x" is the standard way to
>> check for emptiness, and also support a general principle along the
>> lines of "write your
Steven D'Aprano wrote:
>On Wed, 30 Jul 2008 20:55:03 +0100, Matthew Woodcraft wrote:
>> On the other hand, iterators provide a clear example of problems with
>> "if x": __nonzero__ for iterators (in general) returns True even if they
>> are 'empty&#
>> Ctypes is a since python2.5 built-in module that allows to declare
>> interfaces to C-libraries in pure python. You declare datatypes and
>> function prototypes, load a DLL/SO and then happily work with it. No C, no
>> compiler, no refcounts, no nothing.
>>
>> And you can pass python-functions a
Terry Reedy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Carl Banks wrote:
>> That's not what I was asking for. I was asking for a use case for "if
>> x" that can't be replaced by a simple explicit test. Your example
>> didn't satisfy that.
> But I believe my example of an iterator with __bool__ but not with
Steven D'Aprano <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Anders wrote:
>> "But then you decide to name the method "__nonzero__", instead of some
>> nice descriptive name?"
> That suggests to me that Anders imagined that __nonzero__ is something I
> just made up, instead of a standard Python method. What do
Paul Boddie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I do understand that it can be awkward to work out which object files
> need recompiling due to changes in source files, for example, and
> that one doesn't want to see the logic involved reproduced all over
> the place, but I do wonder whether the machiner
Ben Finney <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> No, he retracted the *insult* and restated the *advice* as a distinct
> statement. I think it's quite worthwhile to help people see the
> difference.
Ben, it was quite clear from Anders' post that he knows about
__nonzero__ . That's why the so-called advice
Steven D'Aprano <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> "if x" is completely type agnostic. You can pass an object of any type to
> it, and it will work. (Excluding objects with buggy methods, naturally.)
There are many circumstances where if a parameter is None I'd rather
get an exception than have the co
kj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi. I can't find any documentation for psycopg2.
>
> I'm a noob, so I'm sure I'm just not looking in the right place...
>
> Anybody know where it is?
For basic use, psycopg2 follows the dbapi, which is described in
http://www.python.org/dev/peps/pep-0249/
Additi
Roy Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> C is the highest level assembler language I've ever used. And I've used a
> few. It really is cool that you can add two 32-bit integers and not have
> to worry about all those carry bits.
I was ever so pleased when I found out that the LLVM people have
l
kj wrote:
> I still don't get it. If we write
>
> y = 'Y'
> x, = y
>
> what's the difference now between x and y? And if there's no
> difference, what's the point of performing such "unpacking"?
If y really is is a string, I think it's likely that the line you came
across was a typo.
In the
Alex Gusarov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hello, I've met a problem - I want my program working without Python
> installation but I have some add-on mechanism (add-ons represented by
> separate .py files, and application auto-recognize such files on
> start).
> So, if I will using py2exe for main
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> The problem is that using these attributes, I would essentially have
> to re-write the logic python uses when calling a function with a
> given set of arguments. I was hoping there is a way to get at that
> logic without rewriting it.
I don't think there is. I end
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> I tried using the sys.exit() method in my script and passed non -zero
> values. However the value wasn't picked up the by Java
> Process.exitValue() method - it kept picking up 0. On investigation
> it turned out that the exit value being read is from python.exe
>
David <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Might be a difference in project size/complexity then, rather than
> company size. Most of my works projects are fairly small (a few
> thousand lines each), very modular, and each is usually written and
> maintained by one developer. A lot of the programs will be
Diez B. Roggisch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>I don't see this as something that can be solved by ordering tests -
>*especially* not on a per-method-level as the OP suggested, because I
>tend to have test suites that span several files.
unittest already runs multiple test suites in the order you
Diez B. Roggisch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Sebastian 'lunar' Wiesner schrieb:
>> I guess, Apache does some kind of memory caching for files, which are often
>> requested and small enough to fit into the system memory. May be, that's
>> what the OP is referring to ...
> I'm not aware of that, an
Michael L Torrie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Watch your programmers then. They do have to write and debug the
> code. And they will spend at least as much or more time debugging as
> writing the code. It's a fact. I have several programmers working
> for me on several projects. What you have
David C. Ullrich <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Matthew Woodcraft <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> For example, if you were writing the 'logic' for a chess program you
>> might choose a way of modelling the board that can't represent a
>> position with
John Salerno <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Basically, the question is this: can you write the logic behind a
> program (whether it be a game, an email client, a text editor, etc.)
> without having any idea of how you will implement the GUI?
You probably could, but it's best not to unless you're
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> So it seems like you're designing a language for non-programmers.
> That's good, I've never heard about anyone so interested in teaching
> programming for kids and non-programmers. But in that case, you
> shouldn't even be comparing it to Python.
At one time, Guido was
[EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> So I have a python program that runs a bunch of other programsit
> then loops forever, occasionally executing other programs.
>
> To run each of these programs my python code executes:
> subprocess.Popen(command_line, shell=True, stdout=fd,
> stder
I V <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I hadn't heard of operator.truth before. Does it do anything different
> from bool(x) ?
Not really. It was occasionally useful before the bool type existed;
now it's just a leftover.
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Gabriel Genellina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I would like to write a similar problem without this non-programming
> distracting issues (that is, a problem simple enough to be answered in a
> few minutes, that requires only programming skills to be solved, and
> leaving out any domain-specif
John Salerno <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Just something that crosses my mind every time I delve into "Learning
> Python" each night. Does anyone see any value in learning Python when you
> don't need to for school, work, or any other reason? I mean, sure, there's
> value in learning anything at
Terry Reedy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Such requests happen about once a month or so. If all the code-hiders were
> to have gotten together to openly share their obfuscation ideas and code, I
> suspect there would have been something pretty good by now. But in 10
> years of my watching, this
Terry Reedy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Off the top of my head: copy C and use {} to demarcate blocks and ';' to
> end statements, so that '\n' is not needed and is just whitespace when
> present. So, repeatedly scan for the next one of '{};'.
That would break if those characters appear in str
Terry Reedy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> But you do not really need a variant. Just define a preprocessor
> function 'blockify' which converts code in an alternate syntax to
> regular indented block syntax. Then
>
> exec(blockify(alt_code_string))
You can do it like that, but if it were to beco
Arnaud Delobelle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> By 'eval', I guess you mean 'exec' :)
Yes. Shows how often I use either.
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Christian Heimes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> I feel that including some optional means to block code would be a big
>> step in getting wider adoption of the language in web development and
>> in general. I do understand though, that the current strict indenting
>> is part of the core of the lan
Ben Finney <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Surely, since "suddenly" implies you changed one small area of the
> code, that area of the code is the best place to look for what caused
> the failure.
Imagine that "suddenly" immediately follows "I upgraded to etch".
-M-
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Ben Finney <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>"Giampaolo Rodola'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>> Is there a way to force unittest to run test methods in the order
>> they appear?
> No, and this is a good thing.
> Your test cases should *not* depend on any state from other test
> cases; they should func
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
VictorMiller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I've written a python script which, using urllib, and urllib2 will
> fetch a number of files that that I'm interested in from various
> websites (they're updated everyday). When I run the script from my
> command line every
Martin Marcher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> My main concern is that when things start getting more complicated
> that everytime a SP is called an instance of the interpreter ist
> started which would be a huge slowdown, so does plpythonu run
> continiously a python process or does it start one ever
Aaron Watters <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I've been poking around the world of object-relational
> mappers and it inspired me to coin a corellary to the
> the famous quote on regular expressions:
> "You have objects and a database: that's 2 problems.
> So: get an object-relational mapper:
> now
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Duncan Booth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I don't have a copy of 1.4 to check so I'll believe you, but you can
> certainly get the output I asked for with much more recent versions.
> For the answer I actually want each asterisk substitutes for exactly one
> char
Steven D'Aprano <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>On Wed, 05 Mar 2008 19:19:08 +, Matthew Woodcraft wrote:
>> One advantage is that a dumb syntax highlighter is more likely to cope
>> well if the content includes an apostrophe.
> But if the content contains double-
gideon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> In the context of a master's thesis I'm currently looking into
> Python's operational semantics. Even after extensive searching on the
> web, I have not found any formal model of Python. Therefore I am
> considering to write one myself. To make a more informed d
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Why is """ the preferred delimiter for multi-line strings?
One advantage is that a dumb syntax highlighter is more likely to cope
well if the content includes an apostrophe.
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<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I'd be grateful for help with a problem of package and module=20
> namespaces. The behaviour I observe is unexpected (to me), and I=20
> couldn't find the answer in the docs, the tutorial, or the mailing=20
> list archive. So here we go:
> I have a package named 'pack'
Nicola Musatti <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Sebastian Kaliszewski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> 3. You can't handle clean-up errors in reasonable way in C++ish approach, so
>> anything more complex should not by handled that way anyway.
> So it's okay for a Python mechanism to deal with 95% of th
Jeff Schwab <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Matthew Woodcraft wrote:
>> I see. Then, unless you don't care about data loss passing silently,
>> this 'most traditional' way to open a file is unsuitable for files
>> opened for writing.
> No, why would yo
Jeff Schwab <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Matthew Woodcraft wrote:
>> Jeff Schwab <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>> The most traditional, easiest way to open a file in C++ is to use an
>>> fstream object, so the file is guaranteed to be closed when the fstr
Jeff Schwab <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> The most traditional, easiest way to open a file in C++ is to use an
> fstream object, so the file is guaranteed to be closed when the fstream
> goes out of scope.
Out of interest, what is the usual way to manage errors that the
operating system reports
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Jeff Schwab <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Available space is how much you can actually access as a non-root user.
> Apparently (thank you Jean-Paul), space can be reserved for superuser
> use only; such space is "free," but not "available."
> I'm not sure how su
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> A quick look (thorough analysis still required) shows that OLPC and
> PyPy are, indeed, extensive standards.
> one-laptop-per-child.html
> (olpc),74.3,,http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Python_Style_Guide
I think that's mostly PEP 8, with some notes added.
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Paul McGuire <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> While not required by any means, you will also find it handy to follow
> *every* entry in the list with a comma, even the last one in the list
> (this is legal Python). That is, in your example:
>
> foo =3D [
> 'too long',
> 'too long too',
>
Steven D'Aprano <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I'm writing a command-line application that is meant to be relatively
> user friendly to non-technical users.
> Consequently, I'd like to suppress Python's tracebacks if an error does
> occur, replacing it with a more friendly error message. I'm doin
Cristian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> To me, the biggest setback for new programmers is the different
> syntax Python has for creating functions. Instead of the common (and
> easy to grasp) syntax of foo = bar Python has the def foo(): syntax.
[...]
> in a program like Python there doesn't seem
Lawrence D'Oliveiro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, John J. Lee wrote:
>> Seriously for a moment, I read something recently (maybe here?) about
>> an Apple study that claimed to show that people who perceived keyboard
>> bindings as being much faster than mouseing did
J. Cliff Dyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Bryan Olson wrote:
>> Not true. Here it is again:
>>
>> When integers are divided, the result of the / operator is
>> the algebraic quotient with any fractional part discarded.(87)
>> If the quotient a/b is representable, the expression
>>
Mark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Eval() doesn't seem to recognize the r'string' format. Is there a way
> around this.
> Example:
> If I input: -> eval("r'C:\tklll\ndfd\bll'")
> I get the output:
>
> Traceback (most recent call last):
> File "", line 1, in
> eval("r'C:\tklll\ndfd\bl
Donn Cave <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I don't think there's any remedy for it, other than the obvious -
> either always flush, or wrap an explicit close in its own exception
> handler.
Even if you have flushed, close() can give an error with some filesystems.
-M-
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Jason Zheng <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Hrvoje Niksic wrote:
>> Actually, it's not that bad. _cleanup only polls the instances that
>> are no longer referenced by user code, but still running. If you hang
>> on to Popen instances, they won't be added to _active, and __init__
>> won't reap them (
rasmus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I have used gprof to profile stand alone C++ programs. I am also
> aware of pure python profilers. However, is there a way to get
> profile information on my C++ functions when they are compiled in a
> shared library (python extension module) and called from p
greg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I've figured out what's going on. The Popen class has a
> __del__ method which does a non-blocking wait of its own.
> So you need to keep the Popen instance for each subprocess
> alive until your wait call has cleaned it up.
I don't think this will be enough for
Josh Bloom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> If the memory usage is that important to you, you could break this out
> into 2 programs, one that starts the jobs when needed, the other that
> does the processing and then quits.
> As long as the python startup time isn't an issue for you.
And if python st
Eric Brunel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Joke aside, this just means that I won't ever be able to program math in
> ADA, because I have absolutely no idea on how to do a 'pi' character on my
> keyboard.
Just in case it wasn't clear: you could of course continue to use the
old name 'Pi' instead
Thorsten Kampe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>* René Fleschenberg (Tue, 15 May 2007 14:35:33 +0200)
>> I am talking about the stdlib, not about the very few keywords Python
>> has. Are you going to re-write the standard library in your native
>> language so you can have a consistent use of natural la
Bruno Desthuilliers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Nick Craig-Wood a ecrit :
> I use # FIXME for this purpose or /* FIXME */ in C etc.
>
> I have an emacs macro which shows it up in bright red / yellow text
> so it is easy to see
> Thanks you both.
For what it's worth, sufficien
Martin Unsal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> We could discuss this till we're blue in the face but it's beside the
> point. For any given project, architecture, and workflow, the
> developers are going to have a preference for how to organize the
> code structurally into files, directories, packages,
Hugo Ferreira <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I have a problem. I'm using calling shutil.copyfile() followed by
> open(). The thing is that most of the times open() is called before
> the actual file is copied. I don't have this problem when doing a
> step-by-step debug, since I give enough time for t
Steven D'Aprano <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> The less your function does, the more constrained it is, the less
> testing you have to do -- but the less useful it is, and the more work
> you put onto the users of your function. Instead of saying something
> like
> a = MyNumericClass(1)
> b = MyNum
Bruno Desthuilliers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Matthew Woodcraft a écrit :
>> Adding the validation code can make your code more readable, in that
>> it can be clearer to the readers what kind of values are being
>> handled.
> This is better expressed in the
abcd <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Well my example function was simply taking a string and printing, but
> most of my cases would be expecting a list, dictionary or some other
> custom object. Still propose not to validate the type of data being
> passed in?
There are many people here who will in
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> And so on. For every use of the for/else clause there exists a better
> alternative. Which sums up my opinion about the construct -- if you
> are using it, there's something wrong with your code.
How do you transform this?
height = 0
for block in stack:
if block.is_
tobiah <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> In
> http://docs.python.org/lib/optparse-terminology.html
>
> The GNU project introduced "-" followed by a series of hyphen-separated
> words, e.g. "-file" or "-dry-run". These are the only two option
> syntaxes provided by optparse.
[...]
> So my ques
tyler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I've written a small python extension but I'm having difficulty loading
> it at runtime. The source for my extension is a module which is a
> member of a package is organized as follows.
>
> test/setup.py
> test/myutils/__init__.py
> test/myutils/netmodule.c
[..
Henryk Modzelewski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>It might be a trivial question, but I seem to be lost.
>
>Is there a way to get names of the files associated with stdin/out/
>err if those are redirected to the files at the shell command-line?
I doubt there is a portable way. On most linux-based s
Dan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Is this discouraged?:
>
> for line in open(filename):
>
>
> That is, should I do this instead?:
>
> fileptr = open(filename)
> for line in fileptr:
>
> fileptr.close()
One reason to use close() explicitly is to make sure tha
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