rrect behavior, but it sure
> was a surprise that (equal "一" "一") can be nil.
Your headers state:
User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.3 (darwin)
That's an old version of Emacs, more than 2 years old. 23.1 has been
released more than a year ago. The current version is 23.2.
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x27;t been studying.
>
> What about using what I learned to write programs that work? Does that
> count for anything?
No. Having put together a cupboard that holds some books without
falling apart does not make you a carpenter, much less an architect.
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iable way never to break a thing is not to touch it in the first
place. But that will not help you if it decides to break on its own.
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John Bokma writes:
> David Kastrup writes:
>
>> John Passaniti writes:
>>
>>> Amen! All this academic talk is useless. Who cares about things like
>>> the big-O notation for program complexity. Can't people just *look*
>>> at code and see h
erboard. When it stops, you have to see
its benchmarks and feel their pain in your own backplane.
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Emmy Noether writes:
> On Jul 18, 12:27 am, David Kastrup wrote:
>
>> What did you ever do to _deserve_ others working for you?
>
> What did we do to deserve him to write that elisp manual of 800+
> pages ? NOTHING.
So once one gives you something, you demand everything?
Emmy Noether writes:
>> Some entity, AKA David Kastrup ,
>> wrote this mindboggling stuff:
>> (selectively-snipped-or-not-p)
>
>>>> Software is a puzzle and it must be explained to be able to do that,
>>>> its like a lock
>
>>> There is
o that, its like
> a
> lock
> 3/ Freedom to help your neightbors, share with them
> 4/ Freedom to contribute to your community
>
>
> Software is a puzzle and it must be explained to be able to do that,
> its like a lock
There is no unfreedom involved here. Freedom does no
t is not sufficient in itself (this probably being more
of a side effect rather than the main gist), so the message might not
actually be helpful.
So what is there to gain?
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t; great lengths to identify upward continuations and nested functions
> that can be stack implemented.
There is a Scheme implementation (I keep forgetting the name) which
actually does both: it actually uses the call stack but never returns,
and the garbage collection includes the stack.
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-collected when it is
no longer accessible. A continuation is just a reference to the state
of the current dynamic context. As long as a continuation remains
accessible, you can return to it as often as you like.
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bent C Dalager) writes:
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, David Kastrup <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bent C Dalager) writes:
>>
>>Not as much "been" liberated, but "turned" liberated.
>
> I expe
hole explanation of _one_
naming and declaring it as equivalent is not really being careful with
language at all.
And even when using a Thesaurus, it should be clear that the offered
alternatives are not supposed to or capable of capturing all nuances
of the keyword.
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>>are such definitions - always also knowing that free is not really
>>free.
>
> "Liberated" is a valid meaning of the word "free".
No. It is a valid meaning of the word "freed".
Xpost+Fup2 gnu.misc.discuss: this is not really relevant for most of
the touched Usenet groups.
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ming that it did not change in all that time,
there would be valid reasons for using it nevertheless.
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try (and the menus are plenty and well-sorted for
doing the most-frequent tasks).
In addition, the quality of those help items is far above average.
But you would not know since you prefer babbling about some passing
decade-old experience. If you had invested half of the time using
Emacs you h
use his computer incompetency makes him incapable
of avoiding or detecting viruses) one can hardly blame him for not
finding the tutorial in software he did not download.
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getting hit in the face by the crank
start?
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e together some excuse why you can't be bothered
getting some information about Emacs, never mind that you post several
dozens of embarrassing tirades that are completely based on nonsense
of your own imagination.
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, I know.
Anyway, Emacs plays in a league of its own for blind people due to
Emacspeak.
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this happens if you just do the straightforward file-
> open command, which should obviously at least provide a navigable
> directory tree, but definitely does not.
It definitely _does_ when you are using the mouse to open your file
dialog. Again, _try_ a current version of Emacs before showing your
ignorance.
[Other nonsensical speculation deleted]
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g the windoze APIs
> as real Windows application programmers do (and *they* only know
> maybe half of the total, to judge by the stability of even
> higher-quality Windows apps) and because they are bolting on a thin
> layer of Windows widgets onto a core that works in ways
> fundamentally alien to those same APIs. No real Windows app dares to
> try spawning around 700 threads to service a request to copy two
> lines of text to the clipboard, for example. :)
The Windows port of Emacs is full-quality and full-functionality and
tightly integrated with Windows' GUI. You can get it with an
installer from the EmacsW32 web page
http://ourcomments.org/Emacs/EmacsW32.html>, for example, or from
the main Emacs distribution site from the FSF.
You are babbling uninformed outdated nonsense, and have been pointed
to the relevant info dozens of times over months. Yet you choose to
stay ignorant and continue looking like an uneducatable idiot.
Uneducatable idiots should not choose to work in the computing
business since things move fast there, and uneducatability (and the
unwillingness to reevaluate decade-old experience) are plainly a
hinderance.
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quot; is not incentive enough for him to change his
underwear, what will?
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appears that you still have not bothered educating yourself, years
after you were pretty much universally derided in comp.text.tex for
making a spectacle of your self-chosen ignorance.
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and because the "standard"
keybinding for help, f1, brings up help? And because there is that
standard GNOME icon of a lifesaver which you can click?
Not to mention that there is an initial splash screen pointing most of
this out?
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y images. Take a look
at the screen shots for preview-latex
http://www.gnu.org/software/auctex/preview-latex.html>
illustrating WYSIWYG LaTeX editing in Emacs windows.
So what is your problem?
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, and by
>> extension Linux, is a terrible tool.
Somebody who needs 30 minutes to find the File/Exit Emacs menu is not
qualified for reporting _any_ computing experience.
It is like letting yourself get a report about the points of violin
playing from somebody who has just had his first exposure
and because the "standard"
keybinding for help, f1, brings up help?
Not to mention that there is an initial splash screen pointing this
out?
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convention of the system seems reasonable.
So please: before you continue spewing about a system you don't even
know, could you educate yourself about the state of affairs?
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notbob <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> On 2007-06-21, David Kastrup <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> You know you can use something like
>> C-x C-f /su::/etc/fstab RET
>> (or /sudo::/etc/fstab) in order to edit files as root in a normal
>> Emacs session?
&
uot;-navigation)
>> controls...
>
> We're talking about Emacs. In particular we're referring to
>
> C-h t
> C-h i
> C-h ?
>
> Or, since Emacs is customizable, for me it would be
>
> t
> i
> ?
Huh? The latter are available by default on Emacs 22.1.
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Lew <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Bjorn Borud <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>>> so if the context was system administration, I'd vote for vi as
>>> well. if the context was programming I'd vote Emacs.
>
> David Kastrup wrote:
>> You know yo
nistration, I'd vote for vi as
> well. if the context was programming I'd vote Emacs.
You know you can use something like
C-x C-f /su::/etc/fstab RET
(or /sudo::/etc/fstab) in order to edit files as root in a normal
Emacs session?
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Roy Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, David Kastrup <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
>
>> Kaldrenon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>>
>> > I'm very, very new to emacs. I used it a little this past year
Twisted <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> On Jun 20, 5:37 pm, David Kastrup <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> ...spewing...babbling...
>
> I won't dignify your insulting twaddle and random ad-hominem verbiage
> with any more responses after this one. Something with actu
t-of-the-box configuration is quite sensible.
What was the last version you said you actually tried out?
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Twisted <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> On Jun 20, 5:35 pm, David Kastrup <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> But Emacs does not have a "clunky" interface.
>
> That's for the everyday novice-to-intermediate user to decide.
And they do.
> Your gnu.org e
oddities^Wkeyboard commands to get
> to and use it.
Menus and toolbars exist.
> Also, basic tasks should not require consulting the documentation,
> unless the application genre is new to the user.
And they don't.
Really, what is the last version of Emacs you actually tried?
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know what software you're describing, but it's obviously not
> emacs, unless there have been some HUGE changes to (at minimum) the
> help and pane-navigation (er, excuse me, "window"-navigation)
> controls...
So what version are you babbling about?
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Twisted <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> On Jun 20, 5:21 pm, David Kastrup <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Twisted <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>> > On Jun 20, 4:49 pm, Twisted <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> >> On Jun 20, 4:35 pm, David Kast
Twisted <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> On Jun 20, 4:49 pm, Twisted <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> On Jun 20, 4:35 pm, David Kastrup <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> > Twisted <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>> > > I continue to suspect that there'
t you need is a vi helpsheet/cheat cup. With Emacs,
the help sheet is helpful but optional (most people would be eyed
strangely anyway if they kept a cheat barrel around at their
workplace).
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ed
emacs-mule up to now, a multibyte code of its own.
In spirit, this will not change Emacs much, yet it will remove
other-world friction and make Emacs more obviously the incarnation of
editing descended into this world.
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and then forgets how to do block
> moves, or uses eclipse and bogs down the session, or uses MS Notepad
> and can't enforce language-specific indents, I get frustrated.
My favorite killing offence is /* vi:set ts=4: */.
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