Re: Unicode Support in Ruby, Perl, Python, Emacs Lisp

2010-10-10 Thread David Kastrup
rrect behavior, but it sure > was a surprise that (equal "一" "一") can be nil. Your headers state: User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.3 (darwin) That's an old version of Emacs, more than 2 years old. 23.1 has been released more than a year ago. The current version is 23.2. -- David Kastrup -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: How far can stack [LIFO] solve do automatic garbage collection and prevent memory leak ?

2010-08-25 Thread David Kastrup
x27;t been studying. > > What about using what I learned to write programs that work? Does that > count for anything? No. Having put together a cupboard that holds some books without falling apart does not make you a carpenter, much less an architect. -- David Kastrup -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: How far can stack [LIFO] solve do automatic garbage collection and prevent memory leak ?

2010-08-24 Thread David Kastrup
iable way never to break a thing is not to touch it in the first place. But that will not help you if it decides to break on its own. -- David Kastrup -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: How far can stack [LIFO] solve do automatic garbage collection and prevent memory leak ?

2010-08-22 Thread David Kastrup
John Bokma writes: > David Kastrup writes: > >> John Passaniti writes: >> >>> Amen! All this academic talk is useless. Who cares about things like >>> the big-O notation for program complexity. Can't people just *look* >>> at code and see h

Re: How far can stack [LIFO] solve do automatic garbage collection and prevent memory leak ?

2010-08-21 Thread David Kastrup
erboard. When it stops, you have to see its benchmarks and feel their pain in your own backplane. -- David Kastrup -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Fascinating interview by Richard Stallman on Russia TV

2010-07-18 Thread David Kastrup
Emmy Noether writes: > On Jul 18, 12:27 am, David Kastrup wrote: > >> What did you ever do to _deserve_ others working for you? > > What did we do to deserve him to write that elisp manual of 800+ > pages ? NOTHING. So once one gives you something, you demand everything?

Re: Fascinating interview by Richard Stallman on Russia TV

2010-07-18 Thread David Kastrup
Emmy Noether writes: >> Some entity, AKA David Kastrup , >> wrote this mindboggling stuff: >> (selectively-snipped-or-not-p) > >>>> Software is a puzzle and it must be explained to be able to do that, >>>> its like a lock > >>> There is

Re: Fascinating interview by Richard Stallman on Russia TV

2010-07-17 Thread David Kastrup
o that, its like > a > lock > 3/ Freedom to help your neightbors, share with them > 4/ Freedom to contribute to your community > > > Software is a puzzle and it must be explained to be able to do that, > its like a lock There is no unfreedom involved here. Freedom does no

Re: Ban Xah Lee

2009-03-20 Thread David Kastrup
t is not sufficient in itself (this probably being more of a side effect rather than the main gist), so the message might not actually be helpful. So what is there to gain? -- David Kastrup -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: The fundamental concept of continuations

2007-10-12 Thread David Kastrup
t; great lengths to identify upward continuations and nested functions > that can be stack implemented. There is a Scheme implementation (I keep forgetting the name) which actually does both: it actually uses the call stack but never returns, and the garbage collection includes the stack. -- David K

Re: The fundamental concept of continuations

2007-10-10 Thread David Kastrup
-collected when it is no longer accessible. A continuation is just a reference to the state of the current dynamic context. As long as a continuation remains accessible, you can return to it as often as you like. -- David Kastrup, Kriemhildstr. 15, 44793 Bochum -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: The Modernization of Emacs: terminology buffer and keybinding

2007-10-03 Thread David Kastrup
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bent C Dalager) writes: > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, David Kastrup <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bent C Dalager) writes: >> >>Not as much "been" liberated, but "turned" liberated. > > I expe

Re: The Modernization of Emacs: terminology buffer and keybinding

2007-10-03 Thread David Kastrup
hole explanation of _one_ naming and declaring it as equivalent is not really being careful with language at all. And even when using a Thesaurus, it should be clear that the offered alternatives are not supposed to or capable of capturing all nuances of the keyword. -- David Kastrup, Kriemhildstr. 15, 44793 Bochum -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: The Modernization of Emacs: terminology buffer and keybinding

2007-10-03 Thread David Kastrup
>>are such definitions - always also knowing that free is not really >>free. > > "Liberated" is a valid meaning of the word "free". No. It is a valid meaning of the word "freed". Xpost+Fup2 gnu.misc.discuss: this is not really relevant for most of the touched Usenet groups. -- David Kastrup, Kriemhildstr. 15, 44793 Bochum -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: The Modernization of Emacs: terminology buffer and keybinding

2007-07-08 Thread David Kastrup
ming that it did not change in all that time, there would be valid reasons for using it nevertheless. -- David Kastrup, Kriemhildstr. 15, 44793 Bochum -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: The Modernization of Emacs: terminology buffer and keybinding

2007-07-07 Thread David Kastrup
try (and the menus are plenty and well-sorted for doing the most-frequent tasks). In addition, the quality of those help items is far above average. But you would not know since you prefer babbling about some passing decade-old experience. If you had invested half of the time using Emacs you h

Re: The Modernization of Emacs: terminology buffer and keybinding

2007-06-26 Thread David Kastrup
use his computer incompetency makes him incapable of avoiding or detecting viruses) one can hardly blame him for not finding the tutorial in software he did not download. -- David Kastrup -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: The Modernization of Emacs: terminology buffer and keybinding

2007-06-26 Thread David Kastrup
getting hit in the face by the crank start? -- David Kastrup -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: The Modernization of Emacs: terminology buffer and keybinding

2007-06-25 Thread David Kastrup
e together some excuse why you can't be bothered getting some information about Emacs, never mind that you post several dozens of embarrassing tirades that are completely based on nonsense of your own imagination. -- David Kastrup, Kriemhildstr. 15, 44793 Bochum -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: The Modernization of Emacs: terminology buffer and keybinding

2007-06-25 Thread David Kastrup
, I know. Anyway, Emacs plays in a league of its own for blind people due to Emacspeak. -- David Kastrup -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: The Modernization of Emacs: terminology buffer and keybinding

2007-06-24 Thread David Kastrup
this happens if you just do the straightforward file- > open command, which should obviously at least provide a navigable > directory tree, but definitely does not. It definitely _does_ when you are using the mouse to open your file dialog. Again, _try_ a current version of Emacs before showing your ignorance. [Other nonsensical speculation deleted] -- David Kastrup, Kriemhildstr. 15, 44793 Bochum -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: The Modernization of Emacs: terminology buffer and keybinding

2007-06-23 Thread David Kastrup
g the windoze APIs > as real Windows application programmers do (and *they* only know > maybe half of the total, to judge by the stability of even > higher-quality Windows apps) and because they are bolting on a thin > layer of Windows widgets onto a core that works in ways > fundamentally alien to those same APIs. No real Windows app dares to > try spawning around 700 threads to service a request to copy two > lines of text to the clipboard, for example. :) The Windows port of Emacs is full-quality and full-functionality and tightly integrated with Windows' GUI. You can get it with an installer from the EmacsW32 web page http://ourcomments.org/Emacs/EmacsW32.html>, for example, or from the main Emacs distribution site from the FSF. You are babbling uninformed outdated nonsense, and have been pointed to the relevant info dozens of times over months. Yet you choose to stay ignorant and continue looking like an uneducatable idiot. Uneducatable idiots should not choose to work in the computing business since things move fast there, and uneducatability (and the unwillingness to reevaluate decade-old experience) are plainly a hinderance. -- David Kastrup, Kriemhildstr. 15, 44793 Bochum -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: The Modernization of Emacs: terminology buffer and keybinding

2007-06-23 Thread David Kastrup
quot; is not incentive enough for him to change his underwear, what will? -- David Kastrup, Kriemhildstr. 15, 44793 Bochum -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: The Modernization of Emacs

2007-06-23 Thread David Kastrup
appears that you still have not bothered educating yourself, years after you were pretty much universally derided in comp.text.tex for making a spectacle of your self-chosen ignorance. -- David Kastrup, Kriemhildstr. 15, 44793 Bochum -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: The Modernization of Emacs: terminology buffer and keybinding

2007-06-23 Thread David Kastrup
and because the "standard" keybinding for help, f1, brings up help? And because there is that standard GNOME icon of a lifesaver which you can click? Not to mention that there is an initial splash screen pointing most of this out? -- David Kastrup, Kriemhildstr. 15, 44793 Bochum -- http://mail

Re: The Modernization of Emacs: terminology buffer and keybinding

2007-06-23 Thread David Kastrup
y images. Take a look at the screen shots for preview-latex http://www.gnu.org/software/auctex/preview-latex.html> illustrating WYSIWYG LaTeX editing in Emacs windows. So what is your problem? -- David Kastrup, Kriemhildstr. 15, 44793 Bochum -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: The Modernization of Emacs: terminology buffer and keybinding

2007-06-23 Thread David Kastrup
, and by >> extension Linux, is a terrible tool. Somebody who needs 30 minutes to find the File/Exit Emacs menu is not qualified for reporting _any_ computing experience. It is like letting yourself get a report about the points of violin playing from somebody who has just had his first exposure

Re: The Modernization of Emacs: terminology buffer and keybinding

2007-06-23 Thread David Kastrup
and because the "standard" keybinding for help, f1, brings up help? Not to mention that there is an initial splash screen pointing this out? -- David Kastrup, Kriemhildstr. 15, 44793 Bochum -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: The Modernization of Emacs: terminology buffer and keybinding

2007-06-23 Thread David Kastrup
convention of the system seems reasonable. So please: before you continue spewing about a system you don't even know, could you educate yourself about the state of affairs? -- David Kastrup, Kriemhildstr. 15, 44793 Bochum -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: The Modernization of Emacs

2007-06-21 Thread David Kastrup
notbob <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On 2007-06-21, David Kastrup <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> You know you can use something like >> C-x C-f /su::/etc/fstab RET >> (or /sudo::/etc/fstab) in order to edit files as root in a normal >> Emacs session? &

Re: The Modernization of Emacs: terminology buffer and keybinding

2007-06-21 Thread David Kastrup
uot;-navigation) >> controls... > > We're talking about Emacs. In particular we're referring to > > C-h t > C-h i > C-h ? > > Or, since Emacs is customizable, for me it would be > > t > i > ? Huh? The latter are available by default on Emacs 22.1. -- David Kastrup -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: The Modernization of Emacs

2007-06-21 Thread David Kastrup
Lew <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Bjorn Borud <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >>> so if the context was system administration, I'd vote for vi as >>> well. if the context was programming I'd vote Emacs. > > David Kastrup wrote: >> You know yo

Re: The Modernization of Emacs

2007-06-21 Thread David Kastrup
nistration, I'd vote for vi as > well. if the context was programming I'd vote Emacs. You know you can use something like C-x C-f /su::/etc/fstab RET (or /sudo::/etc/fstab) in order to edit files as root in a normal Emacs session? -- David Kastrup -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: The Modernization of Emacs

2007-06-21 Thread David Kastrup
Roy Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, David Kastrup <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > >> Kaldrenon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> >> > I'm very, very new to emacs. I used it a little this past year

Re: The Modernization of Emacs: terminology buffer and keybinding

2007-06-20 Thread David Kastrup
Twisted <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Jun 20, 5:37 pm, David Kastrup <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> ...spewing...babbling... > > I won't dignify your insulting twaddle and random ad-hominem verbiage > with any more responses after this one. Something with actu

Re: The Modernization of Emacs

2007-06-20 Thread David Kastrup
t-of-the-box configuration is quite sensible. What was the last version you said you actually tried out? -- David Kastrup -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: The Modernization of Emacs: terminology buffer and keybinding

2007-06-20 Thread David Kastrup
Twisted <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Jun 20, 5:35 pm, David Kastrup <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> But Emacs does not have a "clunky" interface. > > That's for the everyday novice-to-intermediate user to decide. And they do. > Your gnu.org e

Re: The Modernization of Emacs: terminology buffer and keybinding

2007-06-20 Thread David Kastrup
oddities^Wkeyboard commands to get > to and use it. Menus and toolbars exist. > Also, basic tasks should not require consulting the documentation, > unless the application genre is new to the user. And they don't. Really, what is the last version of Emacs you actually tried? -- David Kastrup, Kriemhildstr. 15, 44793 Bochum -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: The Modernization of Emacs: terminology buffer and keybinding

2007-06-20 Thread David Kastrup
know what software you're describing, but it's obviously not > emacs, unless there have been some HUGE changes to (at minimum) the > help and pane-navigation (er, excuse me, "window"-navigation) > controls... So what version are you babbling about? -- David Kastrup, Kriemhildstr. 15, 44793 Bochum -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: The Modernization of Emacs: terminology buffer and keybinding

2007-06-20 Thread David Kastrup
Twisted <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Jun 20, 5:21 pm, David Kastrup <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Twisted <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> > On Jun 20, 4:49 pm, Twisted <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> On Jun 20, 4:35 pm, David Kast

Re: The Modernization of Emacs: terminology buffer and keybinding

2007-06-20 Thread David Kastrup
Twisted <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Jun 20, 4:49 pm, Twisted <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> On Jun 20, 4:35 pm, David Kastrup <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> > Twisted <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> > > I continue to suspect that there'

Re: The Modernization of Emacs: terminology buffer and keybinding

2007-06-20 Thread David Kastrup
t you need is a vi helpsheet/cheat cup. With Emacs, the help sheet is helpful but optional (most people would be eyed strangely anyway if they kept a cheat barrel around at their workplace). -- David Kastrup, Kriemhildstr. 15, 44793 Bochum -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: The Modernization of Emacs

2007-06-20 Thread David Kastrup
ed emacs-mule up to now, a multibyte code of its own. In spirit, this will not change Emacs much, yet it will remove other-world friction and make Emacs more obviously the incarnation of editing descended into this world. -- David Kastrup -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: The Modernization of Emacs

2007-06-19 Thread David Kastrup
and then forgets how to do block > moves, or uses eclipse and bogs down the session, or uses MS Notepad > and can't enforce language-specific indents, I get frustrated. My favorite killing offence is /* vi:set ts=4: */. -- David Kastrup -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list