Re: walrus with a twist :+

2021-10-29 Thread Bob Martin
On 28 Oct 2021 at 18:52:26, "Avi Gross" wrote: > > Ages ago, IBM used a different encoding than ASCII called EBCDIC (Extended > Binary Coded Decimal Interchange Code ) which let them use all 8 bits and > thus add additional symbols. =B1 =A6 =AC IBM started using EBCDIC with System 360 and it is

Re: The sqlite3 timestamp conversion between unixepoch and localtime

2021-09-03 Thread Bob Martin
On 2 Sep 2021 at 20:25:27, Alan Gauld wrote: > On 02/09/2021 20:11, MRAB wrote: > >>> In one of them (I can't recall which is which) they change on the 4th >>> weekend of October/March in the other they change on the last weekend. >>> >>> >> In the EU (and UK) it's the last Sunday in March/October

Re: Guido van Rossum resigns as Python leader

2018-07-13 Thread Bob Martin
in 796624 20180714 064331 Gregory Ewing wrote: >Larry Martell wrote: >> And while we're talking about the Dutch, why is the country called >> Holland, but then also The Netherlands, but the people are Dutch? > >And Germany is called Deutchland? The real question is why do English speakers refer t

Re: Meaning of abbreviated terms

2018-05-11 Thread Bob Martin
in 793617 20180511 072806 Steven D'Aprano wrote: >On Fri, 11 May 2018 07:20:36 +0000, Bob Martin wrote: > >> in 793605 20180511 044309 T Berger wrote: >>>On Saturday, May 5, 2018 at 6:45:46 PM UTC-4, MRAB wrote: >>>> On 2018-05-05 17:57, T Berger wrote: >

Re: Meaning of abbreviated terms

2018-05-10 Thread Bob Martin
in 793605 20180511 044309 T Berger wrote: >On Saturday, May 5, 2018 at 6:45:46 PM UTC-4, MRAB wrote: >> On 2018-05-05 17:57, T Berger wrote: >> > What does the "p" in "plist" stand for? >> > Is there a python glossary that spells out the meanings of abbreviated >> > terms? >> > >> "plist" is "pro

Re: Issue with python365.chm on window 7

2018-04-23 Thread Bob Martin
in 793268 20180423 223830 "Brian Gibbemeyer" wrote: >From: Brian Gibbemeyer/Detroit/IBM >To: python-list@python.org, d...@python.org >Date: 04/23/2018 03:35 PM >Subject:Issue with python365.chm on window 7 > > >Not sure which email this should go to. > >But I downloaded .chm versio

Re: Linux/Windows GUI programming: GUI-fy a CLI using pyInstaller

2018-01-06 Thread Bob Martin
in 788357 20180105 132921 Kevin Walzer wrote: >On 1/1/18 11:45 AM, X. wrote: >> Ulli Horlacher: >>> I have to transfer a python 2.7 CLI programm into one with a (simple) GUI. >>> The program must run on Linux and Windows and must be compilable with >>> pyinstall, because I have to ship a standalon

Re: Bigotry and hate speech on the python mailing list

2017-04-18 Thread Bob Martin
in 773391 20170418 141627 "Mario R. Osorio" wrote: >Feels like this is something personal against Steven. You should probably t= >ake this to court. I'd rather read Steven's insightful answers and rants th= >an you crying. None here is meant to sugar coat anything, and if that is wh= >at you are

Re: RE: What are your opinions on .NET Core vs Python?

2017-01-30 Thread Bob Martin
in 770457 20170131 011814 "Joseph L. Casale" wrote: >> C# hardly seems any better than Java to me as far as a language goes. > >Which sounds pretty good to me, they are both high performance, mature >and rich languages. > >> Being forced into working with classes even when they are not >> appropri

Re: How coding in Python is bad for you

2017-01-24 Thread Bob Martin
in 770220 20170124 070853 Chris Angelico wrote: >On Tue, Jan 24, 2017 at 6:00 PM, Bob Martin wrote: >> in 770207 20170124 005601 Chris Angelico wrote: >> >>>REXX has even less structure than Python - it doesn't even have >>>functions, just labels, so yo

Re: How coding in Python is bad for you

2017-01-23 Thread Bob Martin
in 770207 20170124 005601 Chris Angelico wrote: >REXX has even less structure than Python - it doesn't even have >functions, just labels, so you can actually have two functions that >share a common tail. And yes, you can abuse that horrendously to >create unreadable code. Is REXX a bad language b

Re: Guido? Where are you?

2016-11-21 Thread Bob Martin
in 767657 20161121 041134 Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote: >Tristan B. Kildaire wrote: > >> Is Guido active on this newsgroup. > >That is not even a question. > >> Sorry for the off-topic ness. > >There is no excuse for (such) stupidity. Stop posting then. > >

Re: Call a shell command from Python

2016-11-05 Thread Bob Martin
in 767198 20161104 142132 Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote: >Ben Finney wrote: > >> Note that ‘sudo’ is specifically designed to be invoked interactively, > >Nonsense. > >> seeking to verify that the current user has credentials to run the >> command. > >NOPASSWD is not the default in sudoers(5

Re: Lawrence D'Oliveiro

2016-10-02 Thread Bob Martin
in 765736 20161001 072941 Paul Rubin wrote: >Chris Angelico writes: >>> Why can't you block "PEDOFILO"? >> I've no idea who you're talking about > >That's the weird Italian spam that the newsgroup has been getting for a >while. I've been wondering for a while if anyone knows what the story >is,

Re: Lawrence D'Oliveiro

2016-09-30 Thread Bob Martin
in 765690 20160930 181552 Ethan Furman wrote: >Lawrence D'Oliveiro is banned from Python List until the new year. > >If his posts show up somewhere else (e.g. Usenet), please ignore them. If you >must respond to him p >lease trim out his text so the rest of us don't have to deal with him. > >--

Re: Raw Data from Website

2016-08-24 Thread Bob Martin
in 764257 20160823 081439 Steven D'Aprano wrote: >On Tuesday 23 August 2016 10:28, adam.j.k...@gmail.com wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> I am hoping someone is able to help me. >> >> Is there a way to pull as much raw data from a website as possible. The >> webpage that I am looking for is as follows: >> >

Re: the best online course

2016-07-10 Thread Bob Martin
in 762282 20160711 063300 Steven D'Aprano wrote: >On Monday 11 July 2016 13:07, Rustom Mody wrote: > >> Python is good for black-box – us the ‘batteries included’ without >> worrying >> too much how they are made >> Scheme, assembly language, Turing machines etc are at the other end of the

Re: the best online course

2016-07-10 Thread Bob Martin
in 762247 20160709 223746 Malik Rumi wrote: >I want one of those "knuckle down and learn" classes. But even more than th= >at, I want a class with a real teacher who is available to answer questions= >and explain things. I've done a lot of books and online video, but there's= >usually no help. If

Re: Recommendation for Object-Oriented systems to study

2016-06-02 Thread Bob Martin
in 760378 20160602 131534 Alan Evangelista wrote: >On 06/02/2016 02:44 AM, Lawrence D�Oliveiro wrote: >> On Monday, May 30, 2016 at 7:17:47 AM UTC+12, Alan Evangelista wrote: >>> - Java forces everything to be implemented in OO model (classes) >> After you have spend a few months battering your

Re: for / while else doesn't make sense

2016-05-19 Thread Bob Martin
in 759855 20160519 185500 Jon Ribbens wrote: >On 2016-05-19, Steven D'Aprano wrote: >> On Fri, 20 May 2016 02:31 am, Herkermer Sherwood wrote: >>> Most keywords in Python make linguistic sense, but using "else" in for and >>> while structures is kludgy and misleading. I am under the assumption th

Re: Immediate Requirement: use the Python Job Board for recruitment (was:

2016-04-26 Thread Bob Martin
in 758723 20160427 000706 Ben Finney wrote: >sourav524.itsci...@gmail.com writes: > >> Hello Associates, >> Please go through the below job description and let me know your >> interest. > >Hello recruiters, > >Please don't use Python discussion forums for recruiting. Instead, use >the Python Job B

Re: Guido sees the light: PEP 8 updated

2016-04-16 Thread Bob Martin
in 758117 20160416 053809 Steven D'Aprano wrote: >Until now, PEP 8 has recommended that multi-line expressions should break >*after* infix operators: > > >result = (this_value * >some_value + >another_value - >excess_value or >default_value >) > > >After a mercifully short discussion on the Python

Re: working

2016-02-13 Thread Bob Martin
in 753638 20160212 185728 sohcahto...@gmail.com wrote: >On Friday, February 12, 2016 at 1:47:24 AM UTC-8, Mohammed Zakria wrote: >> hello >> i want to know the company that ican work as freelance python devloper > >There are some recruiters that read this mailing list and will send >unsolicited e-

Re: PSF news - BBC launches MicroBit

2015-03-16 Thread Bob Martin
in 737966 20150315 161218 MRAB wrote: >On 2015-03-15 07:26, Dave Farrance wrote: >> Mark Lawrence wrote: >> >>>http://pyfound.blogspot.co.uk/2015/03/bbc-launches-microbit.html may be >>>of interest to some of you. >> >> "Python is one of the three languages that work with the device." >> >> That'

Re: What killed Smalltalk could kill Python

2015-01-24 Thread Bob Martin
in 734949 20150124 113420 Gene Heskett wrote: >On Saturday 24 January 2015 03:09:51 Bob Martin did opine >And Gene did reply: >> in 734904 20150123 225104 Tim Daneliuk wrote: >> >On 01/21/2015 05:55 PM, Chris Angelico wrote: >> >> On Thu, Jan 22, 2015 at 10:37 A

Re: What killed Smalltalk could kill Python

2015-01-24 Thread Bob Martin
in 734937 20150124 081658 Chris Angelico wrote: >On Sat, Jan 24, 2015 at 7:09 PM, Bob Martin wrote: >> http://www.oorexx.org/ >> >> I use ooRexx every day, on Linux mostly, but also available on Windows. > >So the question really is: Why that, as opposed to some other

Re: What killed Smalltalk could kill Python

2015-01-24 Thread Bob Martin
in 734904 20150123 225104 Tim Daneliuk wrote: >On 01/21/2015 05:55 PM, Chris Angelico wrote: >> On Thu, Jan 22, 2015 at 10:37 AM, Tim Daneliuk wrote: >>> I find these kinds of discussions sort of silly. Once there is a critical >>> mass of installed base, no language EVER dies. >> >> Not sure ab

Re: Understanding "help" command description syntax - explanation needed

2014-11-07 Thread Bob Martin
in 730867 20141107 093651 c...@isbd.net wrote: >Darren Chen wrote: >> 在 >> 2014年11月5日星期三UTC+8下午8时17分11秒,larry@gmail.com写道: >> > On Wed, Nov 5, 2014 at 7:13 AM, Ivan Evstegneev >> > wrote: >> > > Firtst of all thanks for reply. >> > > >> > >>>brackets [] means

Re: newbee

2014-08-13 Thread Bob Martin
in 726715 20140813 103037 Chris Angelico wrote: >On Wed, Aug 13, 2014 at 9:57 AM, Frank Scafidi wrote: >> I just acquired a Raspberry Pi and want to program in Python. I was a PL/1 >> programmer back in the 60's & 70's and Python is similar. I am struggling >> with some very fundamental things th

Re: Python Programing for the Absoulte Beginner

2014-08-03 Thread Bob Martin
in 726123 20140803 090919 Steven D'Aprano wrote: >Steve Hayes wrote: > >> I've got too big an investment in books on Python 2, and there are no >> books available on Python 3 (I don't regard downloadable PDFs or other >> onlines stuff as "books"). > >I love Python 3, it's way better than Python 2

Re: OT: This Swift thing

2014-06-17 Thread Bob Martin
in 723903 20140617 121638 alister wrote: >On Tue, 17 Jun 2014 08:34:13 +1000, Chris Angelico wrote: > >> >> Partly that. But also, people want to know how long that will *really* >> last. For instance, 10 hours of battery life... doing what? Can I really >> hop on a plane for ten hours and write c

Re: Python 3 is killing Python

2014-06-01 Thread Bob Martin
in 722944 20140601 124133 Steve Hayes wrote: >On Sun, 01 Jun 2014 07:01:46 BST, Bob Martin wrote: > >>in 722929 20140601 035727 Steve Hayes wrote: >> >>>No, it's a bit like flying in a Boeing 747 rather than a Concorde. The latyer >>>may be later and

Re: Python 3 is killing Python

2014-05-31 Thread Bob Martin
in 722929 20140601 035727 Steve Hayes wrote: >No, it's a bit like flying in a Boeing 747 rather than a Concorde. The latyer >may be later and more technically advanced and flew faster, but no one uses or >supports it. Actually, the Concorde preceded the 747, and wasn't as "technically advanced",

Re: Hello and sorry for disturbing !

2014-05-26 Thread Bob Martin
in 722639 20140526 144904 Mark Lawrence wrote: >On 26/05/2014 10:27, Radu Ioan Barbos wrote: >> Greetings from Romania,sorry for my english,i just wanted to ask you if >> i need any other software/program beside the one software from the next >> pagehttps://www.python.org/downloads/ >>

Re: Interleaved vs. top-posting

2014-04-11 Thread Bob Martin
in 720726 20140411 134419 Tim Chase wrote: >On 2014-04-11 13:59, Chris Angelico wrote: >> I have seen plenty of cultures where people are unaware of the value >> of interleaved/bottom posting, but so far, not one where anyone has >> actually required it. Not one. > >The only time I've seen top-pos

Re: Functional programming

2014-03-03 Thread Bob Martin
in 718085 20140302 231409 musicdenotat...@gmail.com wrote: >If Python is not a fnctional language, then which programming paradigmis dom= >inant?= Labels are always misleading. -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Code review?

2014-01-13 Thread Bob Martin
in 714500 20140113 233415 Chris Angelico wrote: >On Tue, Jan 14, 2014 at 7:43 AM, Steven D'Aprano wrote: >> On Tue, 14 Jan 2014 03:40:25 +1100, Chris Angelico wrote: >> >>> Incidentally, is there a reason you're using Python 2.6? You should be >>> able to upgrade at least to 2.7, and Flask ought

Re: Time zones and why they change so damned often

2014-01-10 Thread Bob Martin
in 714281 20140110 090409 Alister wrote: >On Fri, 10 Jan 2014 07:31:11 +0000, Bob Martin wrote: > >> in 714232 20140109 120741 Alister wrote: >>>On Thu, 09 Jan 2014 07:17:25 +, Mark Lawrence wrote: >>> >>>> On 09/01/2014 04:14, Chris Angelico wrote:

Re: Time zones and why they change so damned often

2014-01-09 Thread Bob Martin
in 714232 20140109 120741 Alister wrote: >On Thu, 09 Jan 2014 07:17:25 +, Mark Lawrence wrote: > >> On 09/01/2014 04:14, Chris Angelico wrote: >>> On Thu, Jan 9, 2014 at 2:54 PM, Ben Finney >>> wrote: I'm approaching it with the goal of knowing better what I'm talking about when I a

Re: Oh look, another language (ceylon)

2013-11-20 Thread Bob Martin
in 710625 20131119 091055 wxjmfa...@gmail.com wrote: >Le lundi 18 novembre 2013 14:31:33 UTC+1, Steven D'Aprano a =E9crit=A0: >> >> >> ... choose one of the three bad choices: ... >> >> >> >> * choose UTF-16 or UTF-8, and have O(n) primitive string operations (like= >=20 >> >> Haskell and, appar

Re: Help me with Python please (picture)

2013-09-29 Thread Bob Martin
in 706312 20130928 175017 Joel Goldstick wrote: >--047d7bf0f67adc8dbc04e7746532 >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > Please don't post HTML. -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Basic Python Query

2013-08-21 Thread Bob Martin
in 704175 20130822 010625 Ned Batchelder wrote: >This is a multi-part message in MIME format. Please post in plain text, not HTML. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Ubuntu package "python3" does not include tkinter

2013-04-22 Thread Bob Martin
in 695509 20130422 081727 Steven D'Aprano wrote: >I think that if you are worrying about the overhead of the tkinter >bindings for Python, you're guilty of premature optimization. The tkinter >package in Python 3.3 is trivially small, under 2 MB. "trivially small"? 30 years ago a small mainfram

Re: Obnoxious postings from Google Groups

2012-11-03 Thread Bob Martin
in 684220 20121102 093654 Jamie Paul Griffin wrote: >/ ru...@yahoo.com wrote on Thu 1.Nov'12 at 15:08:26 -0700 / > >> On 11/01/2012 03:55 AM, Jamie Paul Griffin wrote: >> > Anybody serious about programming should be using a form of >> > UNIX/Linux if you ask me. It's inconceivable that these sys

Re: RE: Unpaking Tuple

2012-10-08 Thread Bob Martin
in 682592 20121008 232126 "Prasad, Ramit" wrote: >Thomas Bach wrote:=0D=0A> Hi there,=0D=0A> =0D=0A> On Sat, Oct 06, 2012 at = >03:08:38PM +, Steven D'Aprano wrote:=0D=0A> >=0D=0A> > my_tuple =3D my_= >tuple[:4]=0D=0A> > a,b,c,d =3D my_tuple if len(my_tuple) =3D=3D 4 else (my_= >tuple + (None,

Re: Article on the future of Python

2012-09-28 Thread Bob Martin
in 681910 20120927 131113 Devin Jeanpierre wrote: >On Thu, Sep 27, 2012 at 2:13 AM, Steven D'Aprano > wrote: >> On Tue, 25 Sep 2012 09:15:00 +0100, Mark Lawrence wrote: >> And a response: >> >> http://data.geek.nz/python-is-doing-just-fine > >Summary of that article: > >"Sure, you have all these l

Re: Top-posting &c. (was Re: [ANNC] pybotwar-0.8)

2012-08-21 Thread Bob Martin
in 679182 20120821 181439 Dennis Lee Bieber wrote: >On Tue, 21 Aug 2012 08:07:33 +0200, Alex Strickland >declaimed the following in gmane.comp.python.general: > >> On 2012/08/17 12:42 AM, Madison May wrote: >> >> > As a lurker, I agree completely with Chris's sentiments. >> >> I too, but I'd pref

Re: datetime module and timezone

2012-02-10 Thread Bob Martin
in 671891 20120210 212545 Olive wrote: >In the datetime module, it has support for a notion of timezone but is >it possible to use one of the available timezone (I am on Linux). Linux >has a notion of timezone (in my distribution, they are stored >in /usr/share/zoneinfo). I would like to be able 1

Re: [OT] Free software versus software idea patents

2011-04-08 Thread Bob Martin
in 654905 20110408 171055 Ethan Furman wrote: >Westley Mart�nez wrote: >> On Fri, 2011-04-08 at 01:41 -0500, harrismh777 wrote: >>> >>> Freedom isn't free... you have to fight for it... always. >> >> Why should a business listen to you? You're not gonna buy any software >> anyways. >> > >From a

Re: Are Small Dogs Good with Kids?

2011-02-06 Thread Bob Martin
in 651499 20110206 194312 sahadat shamim wrote: >Are little canines nice with children? Most people can't seem to come >to a consensus about this query. individuals who regularly place >rescue canines with adoptive >more >http://animals-world24.blogspot.com/2011/02/are-small-dogs-good-with-kids.ht

Re: WxPython versus Tkinter.

2011-01-25 Thread Bob Martin
in 650680 20110125 151901 Bryan wrote: >On Jan 25, 6:03=A0am, Bob Martin wrote: >> in 650672 20110125 115033 Bryan wrote: >> >> Do you think the whole world speaks US English? >> >> >No, absolutely not. I don't see how you go from "I don't thi

Re: WxPython versus Tkinter.

2011-01-25 Thread Bob Martin
in 650672 20110125 115033 Bryan wrote: >On Jan 25, 2:02=A0am, Bob Martin wrote: >> in 650595 20110124 192332 Bryan wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> >On Jan 24, 12:05=3DA0pm, rantingrick wrote: >> >> On Jan 24, 12:00=3DA0pm, Bryan wr

Re: WxPython versus Tkinter.

2011-01-25 Thread Bob Martin
in 650595 20110124 192332 Bryan wrote: >On Jan 24, 12:05=A0pm, rantingrick wrote: >> On Jan 24, 12:00=A0pm, Bryan wrote: >> >> > Accessibility, like internationalization, is something few programmers >> > spend much time thinking about. >> >> Thats another uninformed statement by you we can add

Re: Compare source code

2010-11-01 Thread Bob Martin
in 645437 20101031 230912 Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote: >In message <4ccd5ad9$0$19151$426a7...@news.free.fr>, jf wrote: > >> I edit each file to remove tabs ... > >expand -i newfile > >> Do you know a tools to compare the initial file with the cleaned one to >> know if the algorithms are the same ?

Re: Python "why" questions

2010-08-15 Thread Bob Martin
in 639663 20100815 120123 Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote: >In message , Ian Kelly >wrote: > >> The ability to change the minimum index is evil. > >Pascal allowed you to do that. And nobody ever characterized Pascal as >“evil”. Not for that reason, anyway... Why do you refer to Pascal in the past

Re: ANN: obfuscate

2010-02-12 Thread Bob Martin
in 144460 20100212 103319 Jean-Michel Pichavant wrote: >Bob Martin wrote: >> in 16 20100212 034121 Paul Rubin wrote: >> >> >>> See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colossus_computer >>> That was almost at the end of the war though. >>> >>

Re: ANN: obfuscate

2010-02-12 Thread Bob Martin
in 16 20100212 034121 Paul Rubin wrote: >See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colossus_computer >That was almost at the end of the war though. Colossus was working by the end of 1943 - the year that the Americans first dropped bombs on Germany ;-) -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/

Re: If Scheme is so good why MIT drops it?

2009-07-19 Thread Bob Martin
in 121708 20090720 072858 Frank Buss wrote: >Bob Martin wrote: > >> I think the OP means "major PC operating systems". Those with a wider >> knowledge of the computer world would consider IBM's mainframe operating >> systems to be deserving of the descript

Re: If Scheme is so good why MIT drops it?

2009-07-19 Thread Bob Martin
in 121683 20090719 210126 Terry Reedy wrote: >Roy Smith wrote: >> In article <1cethsrrw8h6k$.9ty7j7u7zovn@40tude.net>, >> Frank Buss wrote: >> >>> there is one free unique implementation on the 3 major platforms Linux, >>> Windows and MacOS X >> >> Most people would still consider Solaris to

Re: RE: RE: Good books in computer science?

2009-06-21 Thread Bob Martin
in 118305 20090621 214008 Phil Runciman wrote: >How many instruction sets have you used? I have used at least 9. IBM 1401 IBM 1410 IBM 7090/7094 IBM 1620 IBM 360 IBM System/7 IBM 1130 IBM 1800 IBM Series/1 Intel 8080 etc Motorola 6800 etc Texas 9900 (my second favourite) plus a bunch of IBM micr

Re: RE: Good books in computer science?

2009-06-19 Thread Bob Martin
in 117815 20090617 221804 Phil Runciman wrote: >Because it reminds me of when things went badly wrong. IBM360, Von Neumann = >architecture, no hardware stacks ... > >IMHO Burroughs and ICL had better approaches to OS design back then but had= >less resources to develop their ideas.=20 > >However,

Re: Good books in computer science?

2009-06-14 Thread Bob Martin
in 117455 20090615 044816 Steven D'Aprano wrote: >On Mon, 15 Jun 2009 10:39:50 +1200, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote: > >>> Shame on you for deliberately cutting out my more serious and nuanced >>> answer while leaving a silly quip. >> >> Can't have been very "serious and nuanced" if it could be summe

Re: what IDE is the best to write python?

2009-02-03 Thread Bob Martin
in 100686 20090203 181957 Catherine Heathcote wrote: >Tim Rowe wrote: >> 2009/2/3 Jervis Whitley : >> >>> real programmers use ed. >> >> Ed? Eee, tha' were lucky. We had to make holes in Hollerith cards wi' >> our bare teeth... >> > >You had teeth!?! > >Oh and hi, I shall be a new face in the cro

Re: dictionary

2008-10-26 Thread Bob Martin
in 86949 20081024 205720 "Hendrik van Rooyen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >Steven D'Aprano wrote: > >>On Fri, 24 Oct 2008 14:53:19 +, Peter Pearson wrote: >> >>> On 24 Oct 2008 13:17:45 GMT, Steven D'Aprano wrote: What are programmers coming to these days? When I was their age, we >>>

Re: interpreter vs. compiled

2008-07-31 Thread Bob Martin
in 76135 20080731 090911 Dennis Lee Bieber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >On Thu, 31 Jul 2008 06:17:59 GMT, Tim Roberts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> declaimed >the following in comp.lang.python: > > >> And again, I never said that it did. CPython is an interpreter. the >> user's code is never translated into

Re: interpreter vs. compiled

2008-07-25 Thread Bob Martin
in 75186 20080725 050433 Tim Roberts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >castironpi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >>Compiling a program is different than running it. A JIT compiler is a >>kind of compiler and it makes a compilation step. I am saying that >>Python is not a compiler and in order to impleme

Re: Books for learning how to write "big" programs

2008-06-06 Thread Bob Martin
in 69148 20080605 140635 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >On May 22, 12:49=A0pm, "Kurt Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> On Thu, May 22, 2008 at 10:55 AM, duli <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> > Hi: >> > I would like recommendations forbooks(in any language, not >> > necessarily C++, C, python) which have

Re: RE: Lucky gay sucking cock while butt fucked deep

2008-04-24 Thread Bob Martin
in 344018 20080422 231351 "Blubaugh, David A." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >Is there a way to block these messages. I do not want to be caught >with filth such as this material. I could lose my job with Belcan with >evil messages such as these messages. =20 So don't repeat them! -- http://mail

Re: Java or C++?

2008-04-15 Thread Bob Martin
in 342436 20080414 160208 =?UTF-8?B?R3J6ZWdvcnogU8WCb2Rrb3dpY3o=?= <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Hello, I was hoping to get some opinions on a subject. I've been >> programming Python for almost two years now. Recently I learned Perl, >> but frankly I'm not very comfortable with it. Now I want to

Re: Java or C++?

2008-04-14 Thread Bob Martin
in 342367 20080414 074410 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >Hello, I was hoping to get some opinions on a subject. I've been >programming Python for almost two years now. Recently I learned Perl, >but frankly I'm not very comfortable with it. Now I want to move on >two either Java or C++, but I'm not sure

Re: Why prefer != over <> for Python 3.0?

2008-04-02 Thread Bob Martin
in 340625 20080402 094139 "Hendrik van Rooyen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >John J. Lee wrote: > >>How did programmers manage back then in 32k? > >Some of the answers, in no particular sequence, are: > >Tight, small operating systems that did the minimum. Apart from the GUI stuff, mainframe operati

Re: Distributed App - C++ with Python for Portability?

2008-03-11 Thread Bob Martin
in 337600 20080310 222850 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >On Mar 10, 2:21 pm, Bob Martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> >> Java is more portable than most other languages, especially if your app >> needs a gui. > >The promise of Java portability was one of the bi

Re: Distributed App - C++ with Python for Portability?

2008-03-10 Thread Bob Martin
in 337513 20080310 115744 "Diez B. Roggisch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >Roopan wrote: > >> Hello! >> >> I am looking at developing an enterprise-grade distributed data >> sharing application - key requirements are productivity and platform >> portability. >> >> Will it be sensible to use C++ for p

Re: Return value of an assignment statement?

2008-02-23 Thread Bob Martin
in 335100 20080222 123210 Steven D'Aprano <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >On Fri, 22 Feb 2008 08:12:56 +, Marc 'BlackJack' Rintsch wrote: > >> A "variable" in >> programming languages is composed of a name, a memory location, possibly >> a type and a value. In C-like languages, where you put values

Re: Does anyone else use this little idiom?

2008-02-04 Thread Bob Martin
in 332496 20080204 102153 "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?BJ=F6rn_Lindqvist?=" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> In Python, the direct translation of this is a for loop. When the >> index doesn't matter to me, I tend to write it as: >> >> for _ in xrange (1,n): >>some code >> >> An alternative way of indicating