[RELEASE] Python 3.7.1rc1 and 3.6.7rc1 now available for testing

2018-09-26 Thread Ned Deily
Python 3.7.1rc1 and 3.6.7rc1 are now available. 3.7.1rc1 is the release preview of the first maintenance release of Python 3.7, the latest feature release of Python. 3.6.7rc1 is the release preview of the next maintenance release of Python 3.6, the previous feature release of Python. Assuming no cr

Re: Re[2]: [OT] master/slave debate in Python

2018-09-26 Thread Ian Kelly
On Wed, Sep 26, 2018 at 3:10 PM Brian Grawburg wrote: > > This is right next to the objection of the use male and female to describe > the two parts of a connector. I lament that snowflakes and such are trying > desperately to enforce their quest for radical egalitarianism and see hidden > agen

Re: [OT] master/slave debate in Python

2018-09-26 Thread Larry Martell
On Wed, Sep 26, 2018 at 4:41 AM, Brian Oney via Python-list wrote: > "I have a vewwy great fwiend in Wome called 'Biggus Dickus'" > ... > "Can I go now, sir?" He has a wife, you know. You know what she's called? She's called... 'Incontinentia'. 'Incontinentia Buttocks'. -- https://mail.python.or

Re: [OT] master/slave debate in Python

2018-09-26 Thread Chris Angelico
On Thu, Sep 27, 2018 at 7:05 AM Ian Kelly wrote: > > On Tue, Sep 25, 2018 at 10:48 PM Chris Angelico wrote: > > > > On Wed, Sep 26, 2018 at 2:36 PM Ian Kelly wrote: > > > So, Chris, what have *you personally* done about real slavery where it > > > still happens? > > > > > > If, as I'm guessing,

Re: clever exit of nested loops

2018-09-26 Thread Mark Lawrence
On 26/09/18 08:50, vito.detul...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Today I've added a couple of lines in my source code, and I'm very ashamed of it. it "runs", and I know what it does (for now), but it's "too clever". I have "abused" the "else" clause of the loops to makes a break "broke" more loops f

Re[2]: [OT] master/slave debate in Python

2018-09-26 Thread Brian Grawburg
This is right next to the objection of the use male and female to describe the two parts of a connector. I lament that snowflakes and such are trying desperately to enforce their quest for radical egalitarianism and see hidden agendas behind just about everything---except their own, of course.

Re: [OT] master/slave debate in Python

2018-09-26 Thread Ian Kelly
On Tue, Sep 25, 2018 at 10:48 PM Chris Angelico wrote: > > On Wed, Sep 26, 2018 at 2:36 PM Ian Kelly wrote: > > So, Chris, what have *you personally* done about real slavery where it > > still happens? > > > > If, as I'm guessing, the answer is "nothing" then it seems to me that > > you don't hav

Re: [OT] master/slave debate in Python

2018-09-26 Thread Brian Oney via Python-list
> PS: I'm not a great fan of it, but I think we all know that off-topic is > in a way what this list excels at. +1 An open source community thrives on being open. It also welcomes those who like to pick a fight for various, usually personal reasons. Has any heard of that Python language? I hear

Re: [OT] master/slave debate in Python

2018-09-26 Thread Dan Purgert
David Raymond wrote: > [...] > HAL.open(ship.pod_bay.doors) I'm sorry Dave, I'm afraid I can't do that. -- |_|O|_| Registered Linux user #585947 |_|_|O| Github: https://github.com/dpurgert |O|O|O| PGP: 05CA 9A50 3F2E 1335 4DC5 4AEE 8E11 DDF3 1279 A281 -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinf

RE: [OT] master/slave debate in Python

2018-09-26 Thread David Raymond
...Think about how you treat your computers - you have the power to discard them if they do not work correctly, or even if you just want to get a newer one. You have the power to kick them across the room and nobody will arrest you. Maybe you don't do those things (I would hope you don't kick co

Re: [OT] master/slave debate in Python

2018-09-26 Thread Chris Angelico
On Thu, Sep 27, 2018 at 1:28 AM Ian Kelly wrote: > > On Wed, Sep 26, 2018 at 7:49 AM Chris Angelico wrote: > > > > On Wed, Sep 26, 2018 at 11:33 PM Ian Kelly wrote: > > > > > > Care to give an example? The distinctive part of the definition of > > > "slave" is that it refers to someone who is ow

RE: [OT] master/slave debate in Python

2018-09-26 Thread Schachner, Joseph
This really is an amazing discussion. I actually do understand why "master" and "slave" might make people uncomfortable, although the meaning is quite clear. Perhaps we need a currently used alternative: 1) Captain and Private 2) Manager and employee 3) CEO and Peon 4) Controller and Controlled

Re: [OT] master/slave debate in Python

2018-09-26 Thread Marko Rauhamaa
Ian Kelly : > The terminology should be changed because it's offensive, full stop. > It may be normalized to many who are accustomed to it, but that > doesn't make it any less offensive. > > Imagine if the terminology were instead "dominant / submissive". > Without meaning to assume too much, migh

Re: [OT] master/slave debate in Python

2018-09-26 Thread Paul Moore
On Wed, 26 Sep 2018 at 16:30, Ian Kelly wrote: > Also: a human slave is not "a person being treated like a computer" > and I find it highly disrespectful that you would move to trivialize > slavery like that. I have no idea what it must feel like to be a slave (other than the trite and obvious i

Re: [OT] master/slave debate in Python

2018-09-26 Thread Ian Kelly
On Wed, Sep 26, 2018 at 7:49 AM Chris Angelico wrote: > > On Wed, Sep 26, 2018 at 11:33 PM Ian Kelly wrote: > > > > Care to give an example? The distinctive part of the definition of > > "slave" is that it refers to someone who is owned and/or held captive, > > and forced to work against their wi

Re: [OT] master/slave debate in Python

2018-09-26 Thread Chris Angelico
On Wed, Sep 26, 2018 at 11:33 PM Ian Kelly wrote: > > On Wed, Sep 26, 2018 at 2:01 AM David Palao wrote: > > > > Hello, > > My opinion is that the terms "master/slave" describe well some situations. > > They could be seen by some people as offensive (although unfortunately > > sometimes true, eve

Re: [OT] master/slave debate in Python

2018-09-26 Thread Ian Kelly
On Wed, Sep 26, 2018 at 2:01 AM David Palao wrote: > > Hello, > My opinion is that the terms "master/slave" describe well some situations. > They could be seen by some people as offensive (although unfortunately > sometimes true, even today) when applied to persons. But it is not > offensive when

Re: [OT] master/slave debate in Python

2018-09-26 Thread Léo El Amri via Python-list
On 26/09/2018 06:34, Ian Kelly wrote: > Chris Angelico wrote: >> What I know about them is that they (and I am assuming there are >> multiple people, because there are reports of multiple reports, if >> that makes sense) are agitating for changes to documentation without >> any real backing. > >

Re: [OT] master/slave debate in Python

2018-09-26 Thread D'Arcy Cain
On 9/26/18 3:58 AM, David Palao wrote: > Hello, > My opinion is that the terms "master/slave" describe well some situations. > They could be seen by some people as offensive (although unfortunately > sometimes true, even today) when applied to persons. But it is not > offensive when applied to proc

Re: clever exit of nested loops

2018-09-26 Thread Peter Otten
vito.detul...@gmail.com wrote: > Hi > Today I've added a couple of lines in my source code, and I'm very ashamed > of it. it "runs", and I know what it does (for now), but it's "too > clever". I have "abused" the "else" clause of the loops to makes a break > "broke" more loops > > > for i in

Re: clever exit of nested loops

2018-09-26 Thread Chris Angelico
On Wed, Sep 26, 2018 at 5:56 PM wrote: > > Hi > Today I've added a couple of lines in my source code, and I'm very ashamed of > it. > it "runs", and I know what it does (for now), but it's "too clever". > I have "abused" the "else" clause of the loops to makes a break "broke" more > loops > > >

Re: [OT] master/slave debate in Python

2018-09-26 Thread David Palao
Hello, My opinion is that the terms "master/slave" describe well some situations. They could be seen by some people as offensive (although unfortunately sometimes true, even today) when applied to persons. But it is not offensive when applied to processes in a computer. They are not living entities

clever exit of nested loops

2018-09-26 Thread vito . detullio
Hi Today I've added a couple of lines in my source code, and I'm very ashamed of it. it "runs", and I know what it does (for now), but it's "too clever". I have "abused" the "else" clause of the loops to makes a break "broke" more loops for i in range(10): print(f'i: {i}') f

Re: [OT] master/slave debate in Python

2018-09-26 Thread Robin Becker
On 25/09/2018 23:46, Thomas Jollans wrote: .. I have to say I find these unspecified attacks on "SJWs" rather disturbing. Assuming for a moment that "SJW" is a viable insult (that's the way you appear to be using it, though I wouldn't use it myself, in that way or probably at all) - W