in 796624 20180714 064331 Gregory Ewing wrote:
>Larry Martell wrote:
>> And while we're talking about the Dutch, why is the country called
>> Holland, but then also The Netherlands, but the people are Dutch?
>
>And Germany is called Deutchland?
The real question is why do English speakers refer t
Larry Martell wrote:
And while we're talking about the Dutch, why is the country called
Holland, but then also The Netherlands, but the people are Dutch?
And Germany is called Deutchland?
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I notice a correlation: the less people have interacted with Bart, the
more tolerant they are.
He once went on for *weeks* about C's (yes, this was in c.l.c) failure
to have what he regards as a "proper" for-loop.
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Chris Angelico wrote:
and eventually a 99.99% Dutch solution
will be produced.
Does this mean we need an is_probably_dutch() function?
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Joe Pfeiffer wrote:
He once went on for *weeks* about C's (yes, this was in c.l.c) failure
to have what he regards as a "proper" for-loop.
That could only have happened if there were people willing
to keep replying to him about it for weeks. So, if it was
a bad thing, you can't say it was entir
is Bart here the same as python-commiters?
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On Sat, 14 Jul 2018 00:45:00 +0300, Marko Rauhamaa wrote:
> Chris Angelico :
>> Oh, sorry, I mean "how Python lacks basic features that your language
>> just happens to tick all the boxes on". People who come in and ask
>> genuine questions about Python seem to find the group far more
>> welcomin
I encounter numerous problems when changing between versions of python ;
one
possible answer , Fedora 28 Labs python .
So far this has been fairly reliable , I installed
Geany , as this is my preferred editor for Python.
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On Fri, Jul 13, 2018 at 7:54 PM Steven D'Aprano
wrote:
> It's not helped by do-gooders who by their own admission have no idea of
> the context sticking their nose in to tell off those who chastise Bart...
I'm not sure if I am one of the "do-gooders" or not in your
perspective, Steve. I have be
On 7/13/2018 9:54 AM, Nicholas Cole wrote:
Is it irrational to wonder whether projects should be looking to migrate to
new languages?
At this point, I would say yes. The immediate effect is no more PEP
approvals for maybe 3 months.
This kind of announcement makes me worry for the future.
Steven D'Aprano wrote:
> Over the many months, I've tried defending Bart, engaging with him,
> patiently explaining that his choices and our choices are not always the
> same and that there's no objective "right" and "wrong" between them,
> making subtle hints, and less subtle hints that he's bein
On Fri, 13 Jul 2018 17:48:15 -0700, dbd wrote:
> On Friday, July 13, 2018 at 4:59:06 PM UTC-7, Steven D'Aprano wrote: ...
>> I think that Marko sometimes likes to stir the ants nest by looking
>> down at the rest of us and painting himself as the Lone Voice Of Sanity
>> in a community gone mad *wi
On Fri, 13 Jul 2018 19:52:45 +0100, Rhodri James wrote:
> Honestly, I don't know why anybody bothers responding to him. Boredom,
> I suppose.
I respond to Bart because I recognise he does bring a perspective and
experience to the community which many of us lack.
That makes his troll-like behav
On Friday, July 13, 2018 at 4:59:06 PM UTC-7, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
...
> I think that Marko sometimes likes to stir the ants nest by looking down
> at the rest of us and painting himself as the Lone Voice Of Sanity in a
> community gone mad *wink*
...
You mean he thinks he's Ranting Rick?
Dal
On Sat, Jul 14, 2018 at 9:56 AM, Steven D'Aprano
wrote:
> On Fri, 13 Jul 2018 19:04:39 -0400, D'Arcy Cain wrote:
>
>> On 2018-07-13 05:45 PM, Marko Rauhamaa wrote:
>>> Yeah, that is cult behavior. Here's a few boxes to tick on:
>>>
>>>http://www.csj.org/infoserv_cult101/checklis.htm>
>>
>> I c
On Sat, 14 Jul 2018 00:45:00 +0300, Marko Rauhamaa wrote:
> Chris Angelico :
>
>> On Sat, Jul 14, 2018 at 7:16 AM, Bart wrote:
>>> This group is openly hostile and unwelcoming.
>>
>> Have you noticed how a lot of the hostility seems to happen shortly
>> after you make your posts about how Python
On 13/07/2018 22:28, Chris Angelico wrote:
On Sat, Jul 14, 2018 at 7:16 AM, Bart wrote:
This group is openly hostile and unwelcoming.
Have you noticed how a lot of the hostility seems to happen shortly
after you make your posts about how Python sucks compared to your
nameless and unpublished
On Fri, 13 Jul 2018 19:04:39 -0400, D'Arcy Cain wrote:
> On 2018-07-13 05:45 PM, Marko Rauhamaa wrote:
>> Yeah, that is cult behavior. Here's a few boxes to tick on:
>>
>>http://www.csj.org/infoserv_cult101/checklis.htm>
>
> I couldn't find a single item that applies to this group. What's y
On 2018-07-13 05:45 PM, Marko Rauhamaa wrote:
> Yeah, that is cult behavior. Here's a few boxes to tick on:
>
>http://www.csj.org/infoserv_cult101/checklis.htm>
I couldn't find a single item that applies to this group. What's your
point?
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On Fri, 13 Jul 2018, Marko Rauhamaa wrote:
The Netherlands is a latter-day innovation. Holland is the central region
of the Netherlands. Compare that with the UK and England.
As for why they are called Dutch, see
https://www.etymonline.com/word/Dutch>
Generally Germanic peoples called thems
Self correction: assignment expressions in generator comprehensions inside a
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…will normally issue STORE_DEREF opcodes for the assignment?
This is what I understand from reading PEP-572, just wanted to ask whether I
got it right.
Example of what I'm referring to:
def f():
return ( (s := x*x) for x in range(5))
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Chris Angelico :
> On Sat, Jul 14, 2018 at 7:16 AM, Bart wrote:
>> This group is openly hostile and unwelcoming.
>
> Have you noticed how a lot of the hostility seems to happen shortly
> after you make your posts about how Python sucks compared to your
> nameless and unpublished language?
That's
On Sat, Jul 14, 2018 at 7:16 AM, Bart wrote:
> This group is openly hostile and unwelcoming.
Have you noticed how a lot of the hostility seems to happen shortly
after you make your posts about how Python sucks compared to your
nameless and unpublished language? Oh, sorry, I mean "how Python lacks
On 13/07/2018 21:43, Marko Rauhamaa wrote:
Ethan Furman :
Does anything good come from engaging with Bart? I haven't seen it
yet. Seems to me the solution is not to engage.
He must be a very lonely person as he keeps coming here for repeated
beatings from the regulars.
You are admitting they
Larry Martell :
> And while we're talking about the Dutch, why is the country called
> Holland, but then also The Netherlands, but the people are Dutch?
The Netherlands is a latter-day innovation. Holland is the central
region of the Netherlands. Compare that with the UK and England.
As for why t
On 07/13/2018 11:52 AM, Rhodri James wrote:
I should point out that the number of people I have killfiled in all my
> Internet dealings can be counted on the fingers of one hand.
Your left one? *
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On 13/07/18 19:27, Devin Jeanpierre wrote:
On Fri, Jul 13, 2018 at 10:49 AM Mark Lawrence wrote:
On 13/07/18 16:16, Bart wrote:
On 13/07/2018 13:33, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
On Fri, 13 Jul 2018 11:37:41 +0100, Bart wrote:
(** Something so radical I've been using them elsewhere since forever.
On 07/13/2018 11:37 AM, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
On Fri, 13 Jul 2018 11:27:29 -0700, Devin Jeanpierre wrote:
[a reminder to be kind]
[ignored the reminder]
Does anything good come from engaging with Bart? I haven't seen it yet. Seems
to me the solution is not to engage.
"If you're not pa
On Fri, 13 Jul 2018 11:27:29 -0700, Devin Jeanpierre wrote:
> I don't know who Bart is or what their language is
Or apparently any of the context of the last six months (nine? twelve?
how long has Bart been annoying people here? practically since his first
post) of his interaction with the comm
On Fri, Jul 13, 2018 at 2:26 PM, Chris Angelico wrote:
> On Sat, Jul 14, 2018 at 4:14 AM, Larry Martell
> wrote:
>> On Fri, Jul 13, 2018 at 2:05 PM, Chris Angelico wrote:
>>> On Sat, Jul 14, 2018 at 3:37 AM, Alexandre Brault
>>> wrote:
The important question we should ask ourselves: Do w
On Sat, Jul 14, 2018 at 4:14 AM, Larry Martell wrote:
> On Fri, Jul 13, 2018 at 2:05 PM, Chris Angelico wrote:
>> On Sat, Jul 14, 2018 at 3:37 AM, Alexandre Brault
>> wrote:
>>> The important question we should ask ourselves: Do we have a replacement
>>> Dutch person to figure out the one obvio
On Fri, Jul 13, 2018 at 10:49 AM Mark Lawrence wrote:
>
> On 13/07/18 16:16, Bart wrote:
> > On 13/07/2018 13:33, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
> >> On Fri, 13 Jul 2018 11:37:41 +0100, Bart wrote:
> >>
> >>> (** Something so radical I've been using them elsewhere since forever.)
> >>
> >> And you just ca
On Fri, Jul 13, 2018 at 2:05 PM, Chris Angelico wrote:
> On Sat, Jul 14, 2018 at 3:37 AM, Alexandre Brault
> wrote:
>> The important question we should ask ourselves: Do we have a replacement
>> Dutch person to figure out the one obvious way to do things that may not
>> be obvious at first?
>>
>
On Sat, Jul 14, 2018 at 3:37 AM, Alexandre Brault wrote:
> The important question we should ask ourselves: Do we have a replacement
> Dutch person to figure out the one obvious way to do things that may not
> be obvious at first?
>
We'll use distributed computing.. I, for example, had two Dutch
g
The important question we should ask ourselves: Do we have a replacement
Dutch person to figure out the one obvious way to do things that may not
be obvious at first?
Alex
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On 13/07/18 16:16, Bart wrote:
On 13/07/2018 13:33, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
On Fri, 13 Jul 2018 11:37:41 +0100, Bart wrote:
(** Something so radical I've been using them elsewhere since forever.)
And you just can't resist making it about you and your language.
And you can't resist having a
On 13/07/18 17:14, Mario R. Osorio wrote:
On Friday, July 13, 2018 at 11:16:44 AM UTC-4, Bart wrote:
On 13/07/2018 13:33, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
On Fri, 13 Jul 2018 11:37:41 +0100, Bart wrote:
You've made it a current affair issue...
Please don't feed the troll, it's obvious that he's clu
> btw google wants to hide even the mention of it?
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btw google wants to hide even the mention of it?
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exact found it ! thanks !
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On Fri, 13 Jul 2018, 20:19 Skip Montanaro, wrote:
> > euhh where is the original mail, may i ask?
>
> Gmail routed the original to my spam folder.
>
> Skip
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> euhh where is the original mail, may i ask?
Gmail routed the original to my spam folder.
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On Friday, July 13, 2018 at 11:16:44 AM UTC-4, Bart wrote:
> On 13/07/2018 13:33, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
> > On Fri, 13 Jul 2018 11:37:41 +0100, Bart wrote:
> >
> >> (** Something so radical I've been using them elsewhere since forever.)
> >
> > And you just can't resist making it about you and y
D'Arcy Cain wrote:
> On 2018-07-13 10:28 AM, Peter Otten wrote:
>> As far as I can see -- without having access to a netbsd machine -- this
>
> Would it help if I gave you a login on one?
Sorry, no.
> Interestingly, I don't have this issue on my NetBSD machine built from
> HEAD. Maybe it is s
euhh where is the original mail, may i ask?
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On Fri, 13 Jul 2018, 16:42 Steven D'Aprano, <
steve+comp.lang.pyt...@pearwood.info> wrote:
> On Thu, 12 Jul 2018 22:31:35 -0400, Travis McGee wrote:
>
> > I somehow managed to trigger the dialo
We will be switching to the late bird rates for tickets on Monday next
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On 13/07/2018 13:33, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
On Fri, 13 Jul 2018 11:37:41 +0100, Bart wrote:
(** Something so radical I've been using them elsewhere since forever.)
And you just can't resist making it about you and your language.
And you can't resist having a personal dig.
You and others ha
On Fri, 13 Jul 2018 at 10:31, Jim Oberholtzer
wrote:
> Nicholas:
>
> I am relatively new to Python, and my system of choice, IBM i on POWER,
> now supports Python directly. The open source movement is so strong that I
> think Python will be just fine. I've been a system programmer for 35
> yea
On Fri, 13 Jul 2018 at 10:04, Chris Angelico wrote:
> On Fri, Jul 13, 2018 at 11:54 PM, Nicholas Cole
> wrote:
> > Is it irrational to wonder whether projects should be looking to migrate
> to
> > new languages? This kind of announcement makes me worry for the future.
> >
>
> The Python committe
On 2018-07-13 10:28 AM, Peter Otten wrote:
> As far as I can see -- without having access to a netbsd machine -- this
Would it help if I gave you a login on one?
Interestingly, I don't have this issue on my NetBSD machine built from
HEAD. Maybe it is something that was fixed but not pulled up t
I also got such.
I'm guessing your track record of searches has flagged you as someone they
might want to hire.
On Fri, Jul 13, 2018 at 5:36 AM, Steven D'Aprano <
steve+comp.lang.pyt...@pearwood.info> wrote:
> On Thu, 12 Jul 2018 22:31:35 -0400, Travis McGee wrote:
>
> > I somehow managed to trig
On Fri, 13 Jul 2018 11:37:41 +0100, Bart wrote:
> (** Something so radical I've been using them elsewhere since forever.)
And you just can't resist making it about you and your language.
"Hey Bart, did you hear? Nuclear war just broke out between Russia and
Britain. Dozens of cities are aflame
Nicholas:
I am relatively new to Python, and my system of choice, IBM i on POWER, now
supports Python directly. The open source movement is so strong that I think
Python will be just fine. I've been a system programmer for 35 years, and this
tooling (along with the 1000's APIs that IBM has p
D'Arcy Cain wrote:
> On 2018-07-13 08:05 AM, Peter Otten wrote:
>> D'Arcy Cain wrote:
>>> Nope. Both are 64 bit.
>>
>> Just to be 100% sure, what does
>>
>> $ python2.7 -c 'import struct; print(struct.calcsize("l"))'
>>
>> $ python3.6 -c 'import struct; print(struct.calcsize("l"))'
>>
>> prin
On Fri, Jul 13, 2018 at 11:54 PM, Nicholas Cole wrote:
> Is it irrational to wonder whether projects should be looking to migrate to
> new languages? This kind of announcement makes me worry for the future.
>
The Python committers are currently in charge. If you don't trust
them, you should have
On Fri, Jul 13, 2018 at 10:43 PM, Ed Kellett wrote:
> On 2018-07-12 18:00, Chris Angelico wrote:
>> What do you mean by "fix"? Make the 'x' bind eagerly? That would break
>> basically every other use of closures.
>
> No. I mean make each x a new variable--closures would work as before,
> for-loops
On Fri, 13 Jul 2018 at 08:51, Steven D'Aprano <
steve+comp.lang.pyt...@pearwood.info> wrote:
> On Fri, 13 Jul 2018 22:29:29 +1000, Chris Angelico wrote:
>
> > To be quite frank, the proposal would have quietly died on python-ideas
> > if it hadn't been for Guido's explicit support early on. (I kno
On 2018-07-13 08:05 AM, Peter Otten wrote:
> D'Arcy Cain wrote:
>> Nope. Both are 64 bit.
>
> Just to be 100% sure, what does
>
> $ python2.7 -c 'import struct; print(struct.calcsize("l"))'
>
> $ python3.6 -c 'import struct; print(struct.calcsize("l"))'
>
> print?
$ python2.7 -c 'import stru
I have a warning that my code generates using the warning module:
https://docs.python.org/3/library/warnings.html
def spam(n):
if n < 10:
warnings.warn("not enough spam!")
return "spam" * n
By default, I want this warning to be disabled, but I want the user to be
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On Fri, 13 Jul 2018 22:29:29 +1000, Chris Angelico wrote:
> To be quite frank, the proposal would have quietly died on python-ideas
> if it hadn't been for Guido's explicit support early on. (I know this
> for sure because the same proposal HAS quietly died, more than once.)
> The controversy came
On 2018-07-12 18:00, Chris Angelico wrote:
> What do you mean by "fix"? Make the 'x' bind eagerly? That would break
> basically every other use of closures.
No. I mean make each x a new variable--closures would work as before,
for-loops would change. If we have subscopes, it seems natural that
ent
On Thu, 12 Jul 2018 22:31:35 -0400, Travis McGee wrote:
> I somehow managed to trigger the dialog below by typing in a certain
> Python phrase to Google.
Is the phrase a secret?
> Anyone know what it's about?
My guess is that either:
1) You have accidentally discovered a back door through G
On Fri, Jul 13, 2018 at 8:37 PM, Bart wrote:
> On 13/07/2018 01:44, MRAB wrote:
>>
>> On 2018-07-12 23:20, Roel Schroeven wrote:
>>>
>>> Yes, you read that right: Guido van Rossum resigns as Python leader.
>>>
>>> See his mail:
>>>
>>> (https://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-committers/2018-July
On 13/07/18 02:57, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
Hey Rick, if you're reading this, now that Guido has resigned, this is
your opportunity to declare yourself as the true Heir and take over as
BDFL.
I though that he'd done this years ago.
Are you aware that the 11th commandment is "Thou shalt not extra
D'Arcy Cain wrote:
> On 2018-07-12 07:41 PM, Peter Otten wrote:
>> Wild guess: one Python is 64 bit and the other is 32 bit, and you have
>> only one version of the library installed.
>
> Nope. Both are 64 bit.
Just to be 100% sure, what does
$ python2.7 -c 'import struct; print(struct.calcsiz
On 13/07/2018 01:44, MRAB wrote:
On 2018-07-12 23:20, Roel Schroeven wrote:
Yes, you read that right: Guido van Rossum resigns as Python leader.
See his mail:
(https://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-committers/2018-July/005664.html)
[snip]
That's very sad news.
And all over PEP 572 wh
On 2018-07-12 07:41 PM, Peter Otten wrote:
> Wild guess: one Python is 64 bit and the other is 32 bit, and you have only
> one version of the library installed.
Nope. Both are 64 bit.
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On 2018-07-12 04:17 PM, Terry Reedy wrote:
> On 7/12/2018 3:52 PM, D'Arcy Cain wrote:
>> $ python2.7 -c "import ctypes.util;
>> print(ctypes.util.find_library('cairo'))"
>> libcairo.so.2
>> $ python3.6 -c "import ctypes.util;
>> print(ctypes.util.find_library('cairo'))"
>> None
>>
>> I have the 3.6
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