On 24Jun2018 17:03, Gene Heskett wrote:
Greetings list;
Generally spamassassin only gets picky about this occasionally, but for
the past several hours its working overtime on python list messages,
with the major problem being the servers time stamp, a day or more in
the past. Anyboy ever hear o
On Monday, June 25, 2018 at 12:12:26 PM UTC-4, T Berger wrote:
> I’m creating a webapp and trying to download a stylesheet and templates from
> my manual’s support site. I must be doing something wrong, because when I try
> to run my app, I get a 404 error message. I downloaded the files by dragg
On Mon, 25 Jun 2018 18:22:56 +, Grant Edwards wrote:
> On 2018-06-24, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
>
>> Building functions is cheap. Cheap is not free.
>>
>> Inner functions that aren't exposed to the outside cannot be tested in
>> isolation, you can't access them through help() interactively. Giv
On Mon, Jun 25, 2018 at 2:37 AM Mark Lawrence wrote:
>
> On 24/06/18 00:44, boB Stepp wrote:
> > I imagine that the
> > transition from version 2 to 3 was not undertaken halfheartedly, but
> > only after much thought and discussion since it did break backwards
> > compatibility.
> >
>
> So much so
On Tue, Jun 26, 2018 at 6:04 AM, Grant Edwards
wrote:
> On 2018-06-24, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
>
>> That's nothing, there are languages where the standard way to write
>> a for loop is to call an external program that generates a stream of
>> numeric strings separated by spaces in a subprocess, an
On 2018-06-24, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
> That's nothing, there are languages where the standard way to write
> a for loop is to call an external program that generates a stream of
> numeric strings separated by spaces in a subprocess, and read the
> strings from standard input as text.
What langu
Re: "I know I'm going to get flak for bringing this up this old issue, but
remember when you used to write a for-loop and it involved creating an actual
list of N integers from 0 to N-1 in order to iterate through them? Crazy.
But that has long been fixed - or so I thought. When I wrote, today:
i would prefer everyone using the mailing
list (misses many spams) but of course that is a crazy idea
(no need to reply with brain-damaged by facebook, aol, gmail etc
expressions)
Abdur-Rahmaan Janhangeer
https://github.com/Abdur-rahmaanJ
>
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On 24/06/18 21:39, Mark Lawrence wrote:
Hi folks,
In the last hour or so I've seen via thunderbird and gmane around 15
emails from various people where the from field is
name@1261/38.remove-r7u-this. The part after the @ symbol never
changes. I've seen the contents previously, apart from on
Gary Capell who designed wily [in the 90s] mentioned that it
could interface with python to make a NNTP client.
As a daily user of wily, I seek info on connecting with
python to get NNTP service.
== TIA.
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Grant Edwards :
> IOW, you use a local function instead of a global one for the exact
> same reasons you use local "variables" instead of global ones.
>
> In Python, functions are first class objects. Binding a name to a
> function is no different than binding it to an integer, list, string,
> or
Ben Finney wrote:
> Robert Latest via Python-list writes:
>
>> Because the main.py script needs to import the tables.py module from
>> backend, I put this at the top if main.py:
>>
>>sys.path.append('../..')
>>import jobwatch.backend.tables as tables
>>
>> My question is: Is this the way i
On Sun, Jun 24, 2018 at 09:39:33PM +0100, Mark Lawrence wrote:
> Hi folks,
>
> In the last hour or so I've seen via thunderbird and gmane around 15
> emails from various people where the from field is
> name@1261/38.remove-r7u-this. The part after the @ symbol never
> changes. I've seen the cont
On 2018-06-24, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
> Building functions is cheap. Cheap is not free.
>
> Inner functions that aren't exposed to the outside cannot be tested
> in isolation, you can't access them through help()
> interactively. Given the choice between:
[...]
> so not expensive, but not free
To: boB Stepp
From: Bart
On 24/06/2018 16:37, boB Stepp wrote:
> On Sun, Jun 24, 2018 at 5:21 AM Bart wrote:
> "... And of course, you would have to know how to use Python properly in
> idiomatic style.
No. I want to program in /my/ style, one more like the pseudo-code that was
mentioned els
On Tue, Jun 26, 2018 at 2:35 AM, Dan Stromberg wrote:
> On Mon, Jun 25, 2018 at 3:40 AM, wrote:
>
>> Hey,
>> I already have quite an experience in programming, and I wish to study
>> Python as well. I need to study it before I continue with my comp. science
>> academic studies.
>> How do you reco
From: Abdur-Rahmaan Janhangeer
see for example
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bresenham%27s_line_algorithm
see the pseudocode, i was implementing some raster algos when i found myself
aux anges
so close to py. i guess it was written in prehistoric times with the author
trying to simplify stuf
From: Abdur-Rahmaan Janhangeer
i follow the dev list so far no
but that particular mail might be related to pythan rather than random messages
over the times i've talked to users of other langs (academics) one of the fault
they find with python is the virtual env setup, too boring a task.
env
From: Steven D'Aprano
Anyone on the Python-Dev mailing list, are you getting private emails
containing nothing but stream of consciousness word-salad from somebody (some
bot?) calling himself "Chanel Marvin" with a gmail address?
Typical example:
"I refuse to create my environment on a comp
From: Chris Angelico
On Mon, Jun 25, 2018 at 2:23 AM, Abdur-Rahmaan Janhangeer
wrote:
> Python is rightly called executable pseudocode. i appreciated the fact that
> you can go on wikipaedia, find the pseudocode of algorithms remove curly
> braces and replace by py's more powerful syntax and po
From: Chris Angelico
On Mon, Jun 25, 2018 at 1:02 AM, Steven D'Aprano
wrote:
> On Mon, 25 Jun 2018 00:46:00 +1000, Chris Angelico wrote:
>
>> On Sun, Jun 24, 2018 at 8:40 PM, Steven D'Aprano
>> wrote:
>>> On Sun, 24 Jun 2018 11:18:37 +0100, Bart wrote:
>>>
I wonder why it is just me that c
From: Steven D'Aprano
On Mon, 25 Jun 2018 02:15:42 +1000, Chris Angelico wrote:
> On Mon, Jun 25, 2018 at 2:07 AM, Steven D'Aprano
> wrote:
>> Anyone on the Python-Dev mailing list, are you getting private emails
>> containing nothing but stream of consciousness word-salad from somebody
>> (som
From: Steven D'Aprano
On Sun, 24 Jun 2018 16:39:19 +0100, Bart wrote:
> More like utter disbelief at how it works. Surely it cannot work like
> that because it would be too inefficient? Apparently, yes it can...
Apparently, no it doesn't, because the fact that Python is used by tens of
thousand
From: boB Stepp
On Sun, Jun 24, 2018 at 5:21 AM Bart wrote:
>
> On 24/06/2018 00:44, boB Stepp wrote:
> > On Sat, Jun 23, 2018 at 5:35 PM Bart wrote:
>
> >> I'm not a user...
> >
> > Then I am truly puzzled, Bart. Why do you even bother to hang out on
> > this list? If you do not want to use
To: Steven D'Aprano
From: Rick Johnson
On Sunday, June 24, 2018 at 10:05:14 AM UTC-5, Steven D'Aprano wrote: [...]
> Be fair. It's more like 50% of the time. Let's not dogpile
> onto Bart. He asked a question, I answered it, we don't all
> need to sink the boot in as well.
And why am i _not_ s
From: Abdur-Rahmaan Janhangeer
Python is rightly called executable pseudocode. i appreciated the fact that you
can go on wikipaedia, find the pseudocode of algorithms remove curly braces
and replace by py's more powerful syntax and poof, suddenly it becomes too
easy.
Abdur-Rahmaan Janhangeer
h
From: Steven D'Aprano
On Mon, 25 Jun 2018 00:46:00 +1000, Chris Angelico wrote:
> On Sun, Jun 24, 2018 at 8:40 PM, Steven D'Aprano
> wrote:
>> On Sun, 24 Jun 2018 11:18:37 +0100, Bart wrote:
>>
>>> I wonder why it is just me that constantly needs to justify his
>>> existence in this group?
>>
>
From: Chris Angelico
On Mon, Jun 25, 2018 at 2:07 AM, Steven D'Aprano
wrote:
> Anyone on the Python-Dev mailing list, are you getting private emails
> containing nothing but stream of consciousness word-salad from somebody
> (some bot?) calling himself "Chanel Marvin" with a gmail address?
>
> T
From: justin walters
On Sun, Jun 24, 2018 at 5:51 AM, Steven D'Aprano <
steve+comp.lang.pyt...@pearwood.info> wrote:
> Coconut, the functional programming language which compiles to Python:
>
> http://coconut.readthedocs.io/en/master/FAQ.html
>
> http://coconut-lang.org/
>
> (Its not my language
From: Abdur-Rahmaan Janhangeer
hum syntactic coating exists even in py. nice!
Abdur-Rahmaan Janhangeer
https://github.com/Abdur-rahmaanJ
>
>
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* Origin: Prism bbs (1:261/38)
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To: Chris Angelico
From: Bart
On 24/06/2018 15:46, Chris Angelico wrote:
> On Sun, Jun 24, 2018 at 8:40 PM, Steven D'Aprano
> wrote:
>> On Sun, 24 Jun 2018 11:18:37 +0100, Bart wrote:
>>
>>> I wonder why it is just me that constantly needs to justify his
>>> existence in this group?
>>
>> Beca
From: Chris Angelico
On Sun, Jun 24, 2018 at 8:40 PM, Steven D'Aprano
wrote:
> On Sun, 24 Jun 2018 11:18:37 +0100, Bart wrote:
>
>> I wonder why it is just me that constantly needs to justify his
>> existence in this group?
>
> Because its just you who spends 90% of his time here complaining abo
From: Steven D'Aprano
Coconut, the functional programming language which compiles to Python:
http://coconut.readthedocs.io/en/master/FAQ.html
http://coconut-lang.org/
(Its not my language. I just think its cool.)
--
Steven D'Aprano
"Ever since I learned about confirmation bias, I've been see
From: Robert Latest
Hello,
I'm building an application which consists of two largely distinct parts, a
frontend and a backend. The directory layout is like this:
|-- jobwatch
| |-- backend
| | |-- backend.py
| | |-- __init__.py
| | `-- tables.py
| |-- frontend
| | |-- __init
From: Steven D'Aprano
On Sat, 23 Jun 2018 14:52:24 -0500, boB Stepp wrote:
[...]
>> There is a place for various levels of programming language. I'm saying
>> that Python which is always touted as a 'simple' language suitable for
>> beginners, is missing a surprising number of basics.
>
> I stil
To: Steven D'Aprano
From: r...@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram)
Steven D'Aprano writes:
>It has been a long, long time since Python has been a "simple" language
>suitable for rank beginners, if it ever was. Python is not Scratch.
Python is simpler insofar as you can write on a higher level
To: Ben Bacarisse
From: Bart
On 24/06/2018 01:53, Ben Bacarisse wrote:
> Bart writes:
>> Wow. (Just think of all the times you write a function containing a
>> neat bunch of local functions, every time it's called it has to create
>> a new function instances for each of those functions, even
From: Steven D'Aprano
On Sun, 24 Jun 2018 11:23:12 +0100, Bart wrote:
> On 24/06/2018 01:53, Ben Bacarisse wrote:
>> Bart writes:
>
>>> Wow. (Just think of all the times you write a function containing a
>>> neat bunch of local functions, every time it's called it has to create
>>> a new functi
From: Jim Lee
On 06/23/2018 11:02 PM, Chris Angelico wrote:
> On Sun, Jun 24, 2018 at 3:44 PM, Jim Lee wrote:
>>
>> On 06/23/2018 10:03 PM, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
>>> I'd like to run a quick survey. There is no right or wrong answer, since
>>> this is about your EXPECTATIONS, not what Python a
From: Steven D'Aprano
On Sun, 24 Jun 2018 11:18:37 +0100, Bart wrote:
> I wonder why it is just me that constantly needs to justify his
> existence in this group?
Because its just you who spends 90% of his time here complaining about how
Python does it wrong.
--
Steven D'Aprano
"Ever since I
From: Jim Lee
On 06/23/2018 10:03 PM, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
> I'd like to run a quick survey. There is no right or wrong answer, since
> this is about your EXPECTATIONS, not what Python actually does.
>
> Given this function:
>
>
> def test():
> a = 1
> b = 2
> result = [value f
To: Sharan Basappa
From: Glenn Hutchings
On 21/06/18 04:40, Sharan Basappa wrote:
> Folks,
>
> I am trying to run a simple example associated with nltk.
> I get some error and I don't know what the issue is.
> I need some guidance please.
>
[...]
> LookupError:
> *
From: Steven D'Aprano
On Sun, 24 Jun 2018 15:18:49 +1000, Chris Angelico wrote:
> Personally, I think it should give you [1, 2], the two values from the
> function's locals.
Thank you, that's the sort of answer I'm looking for.
(I'm not saying I didn't read your long and involved analysis, onl
To: boB Stepp
From: Bart
On 24/06/2018 00:44, boB Stepp wrote:
> On Sat, Jun 23, 2018 at 5:35 PM Bart wrote:
>> I'm not a user...
>
> Then I am truly puzzled, Bart. Why do you even bother to hang out on
> this list? If you do not want to use Python and you do not want to
> improve Python's
From: Chris Angelico
On Sun, Jun 24, 2018 at 3:03 PM, Steven D'Aprano
wrote:
> I'd like to run a quick survey. There is no right or wrong answer, since
> this is about your EXPECTATIONS, not what Python actually does.
>
> Given this function:
>
>
> def test():
> a = 1
> b = 2
> resul
From: Jim Lee
On 06/23/2018 11:16 PM, Chris Angelico wrote:
> On Sun, Jun 24, 2018 at 4:08 PM, Jim Lee wrote:
>> There are three locals: a, b, and result. Since result cannot be assigned
>> a value until the list comp has been evaluated, I would expect the comp to
>> return a value of "None"
From: Chris Angelico
On Sun, Jun 24, 2018 at 4:08 PM, Jim Lee wrote:
> There are three locals: a, b, and result. Since result cannot be assigned
> a value until the list comp has been evaluated, I would expect the comp to
> return a value of "None" for result. An argument could also be made f
From: Chris Angelico
On Sun, Jun 24, 2018 at 1:23 PM, Steven D'Aprano
wrote:
> On Sun, 24 Jun 2018 12:53:49 +1000, Chris Angelico wrote:
>
> [...]
>>> Okay, you want a bit-pattern. In hex:
>>>
>>> '0x313030e282ac'
> [...]
>
>> Hmm. Actually, I'm a bit confused.
>>
> hex("100ΓΘ¼".encode())
>>
From: Steven D'Aprano
On Sun, 24 Jun 2018 12:53:49 +1000, Chris Angelico wrote:
[...]
>> Okay, you want a bit-pattern. In hex:
>>
>> '0x313030e282ac'
[...]
> Hmm. Actually, I'm a bit confused.
>
hex("100ΓΘ¼".encode())
> Traceback (most recent call last):
> File "", line 1, in
> TypeErro
From: Chris Angelico
On Sun, Jun 24, 2018 at 3:44 PM, Jim Lee wrote:
>
>
> On 06/23/2018 10:03 PM, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
>>
>> I'd like to run a quick survey. There is no right or wrong answer, since
>> this is about your EXPECTATIONS, not what Python actually does.
>>
>> Given this function:
>
From: Chris Angelico
On Sun, Jun 24, 2018 at 12:44 PM, Steven D'Aprano
wrote:
> You're joking, right? You can't possibly be so ignorant as to actually
> believe that. You have, right in front of you, a news post or email
> containing the text string "100ΓΘ¼", and yet you are writing apparently i
From: Steven D'Aprano
I'd like to run a quick survey. There is no right or wrong answer, since this
is about your EXPECTATIONS, not what Python actually does.
Given this function:
def test():
a = 1
b = 2
result = [value for key, value in locals().items()]
return result
what
From: Steven D'Aprano
On Sat, 23 Jun 2018 17:52:55 -0400, Richard Damon wrote:
> If you have more than just a number representing a value in the locale
> currency, you can't ask the locale how to present/accept it.
You're the only one saying that it has to be handled by the locale.
--
Steven
From: Steven D'Aprano
On Sat, 23 Jun 2018 18:29:51 +0100, MRAB wrote:
> You can already do something similar like this:
>
> def f():
> f.x += 1
> return f.x
> f.x = 0
>
> [snip]
You can, but only as an illustration, not as a serious implementation.
The whole point of static local v
From: Steven D'Aprano
On Sat, 23 Jun 2018 17:05:17 -0400, Richard Damon wrote:
> On 6/23/18 11:27 AM, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
>> On Sat, 23 Jun 2018 09:42:29 -0400, Richard Damon wrote:
>>
>>> On 6/23/18 9:05 AM, Marko Rauhamaa wrote:
Ok. Here's a value for you:
100ΓΘ¼
[...]
>
From: Steven D'Aprano
On Sat, 23 Jun 2018 21:44:00 +0100, Bart wrote:
> Since these references are created via the return g statement here:
>
> def f():
> def g():
>
> return g
>
> (say to create function references i and j like this:
>
> i = f()
>
From: Steven D'Aprano
On Sun, 24 Jun 2018 00:37:36 +0100, Bart wrote:
> Do you mean that if the same 'def' block is re-executed, it will create
> a different instance of the function? (Same byte-code, but a different
> set of everything else the function uses.)
That's not as slow as you think i
To: Bart
From: Gregory Ewing
Bart wrote:
> Wow. (Just think of all the times you write a function containing a neat
> bunch of local functions, every time it's called it has to create a new
> function instances for each of those functions, even if they are not used.)
Fortunately, function obje
From: boB Stepp
On Sat, Jun 23, 2018 at 5:35 PM Bart wrote:
>
> On 23/06/2018 20:52, boB Stepp wrote:
> The first programming exercise I ever did involved asking for three
> numbers, then determining whether those numbers could form the sides of
> a triangle.
>
> Then [40 years ago], the easy p
From: Steven D'Aprano
On Sat, 23 Jun 2018 23:26:43 +0100, Bart wrote:
> Then [40 years ago], the easy part was reading the three numbers. Now
> that would be the more challenging part.
# Get three numbers, separated by spaces, with no error-recovery.
# If you try to read bad data, the process w
To: Bart
From: Gregory Ewing
Bart wrote:
> But 40 years
> ago it was just 'readln a,b,c'; it was just taken for granted.
The problem with something like that is that it's really only useful for
throwaway code. For any serious application, you need to deal with the
possibility of malformed inpu
From: Chris Angelico
On Sun, Jun 24, 2018 at 9:37 AM, Bart wrote:
> On 23/06/2018 23:25, Ben Bacarisse wrote:
>>
>> Bart writes:
>>
>>> On 23/06/2018 21:13, Chris Angelico wrote:
On Sat, Jun 23, 2018 at 10:41 PM, Bart wrote:
>>>
>>>
> (At what point would that happen anyway; if y
To: boB Stepp
From: Bart
On 23/06/2018 20:52, boB Stepp wrote:
> I've finally found time to examine this rather long, rambling thread.
>> There is a place for various levels of programming language. I'm saying that
Python which is always touted as a 'simple' language suitable for beginners, is
To: Bart
From: Ben Bacarisse
Bart writes:
> On 23/06/2018 23:25, Ben Bacarisse wrote:
>> Bart writes:
>>
>>> On 23/06/2018 21:13, Chris Angelico wrote:
On Sat, Jun 23, 2018 at 10:41 PM, Bart wrote:
>>>
> (At what point would that happen anyway; if you do this:
>>>
NONE of your
To: Bart
From: Ben Bacarisse
Bart writes:
> On 23/06/2018 21:13, Chris Angelico wrote:
>> On Sat, Jun 23, 2018 at 10:41 PM, Bart wrote:
>
>>> (At what point would that happen anyway; if you do this:
>
>> NONE of your examples are taking copies of the function. They all are
>> making REFERENC
To: Ben Bacarisse
From: Bart
On 23/06/2018 23:25, Ben Bacarisse wrote:
> Bart writes:
>
>> On 23/06/2018 21:13, Chris Angelico wrote:
>>> On Sat, Jun 23, 2018 at 10:41 PM, Bart wrote:
>>
(At what point would that happen anyway; if you do this:
>>
>>> NONE of your examples are taking copi
From: Richard Damon
On 6/23/18 5:31 PM, Ben Finney wrote:
> Richard Damon writes:
>
>> On 6/23/18 11:27 AM, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
On 6/23/18 9:05 AM, Marko Rauhamaa wrote:
> Richard Damon wrote:
>> Data presented to the user should normally use his locale
>> (unless he has spec
From: Ben Finney
Richard Damon writes:
> On 6/23/18 11:27 AM, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
> >> On 6/23/18 9:05 AM, Marko Rauhamaa wrote:
> >>> Richard Damon wrote:
> >>> > Data presented to the user should normally use his locale
> >>> > (unless he has specified something different).
> >>>
> >>> Ok.
From: Richard Damon
On 6/23/18 11:27 AM, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
> On Sat, 23 Jun 2018 09:42:29 -0400, Richard Damon wrote:
>
>> On 6/23/18 9:05 AM, Marko Rauhamaa wrote:
>>> Ok. Here's a value for you:
>>>
>>> 100ΓΘ¼
>>>
>>> I see '1', '0', '0', 'ΓΘ¼'. What do you see in your locale (LC_MONET
From: boB Stepp
I've finally found time to examine this rather long, rambling thread.
On Wed, Jun 20, 2018 at 5:46 AM wrote:
>
> Yeah, people keep bringing that up when they run out of arguments.
>
> So, every programmer must always use the most advanced, most esoteric
features possible at ever
To: Chris Angelico
From: Bart
On 23/06/2018 21:13, Chris Angelico wrote:
> On Sat, Jun 23, 2018 at 10:41 PM, Bart wrote:
>> (At what point would that happen anyway; if you do this:
> NONE of your examples are taking copies of the function. They all are
> making REFERENCES to the same functio
From: Chris Angelico
On Sat, Jun 23, 2018 at 10:41 PM, Bart wrote:
> This is an example of a simple concept getting so out of hand that it will
> either never be implemented, or the resulting implementation becomes
> impractical to use.
>
> This is what we're trying to do:
>
> def nextx():
>
On Mon, Jun 25, 2018 at 3:40 AM, wrote:
> Hey,
> I already have quite an experience in programming, and I wish to study
> Python as well. I need to study it before I continue with my comp. science
> academic studies.
> How do you recommend studying it? As mentioned in the headline, I already
> kn
On 25/06/18 17:15, jkn wrote:
On Monday, June 25, 2018 at 4:23:57 PM UTC+1, Chris Angelico wrote:
On Mon, Jun 25, 2018 at 11:15 PM, jkn wrote:
(as well as pedanticism ;-o).
Pedantry.
ChrisA
(You know I can't let that one pass.)
I was chanel[l]ing the TimBot, as any fule kno...
Ritten b
On Monday, June 25, 2018 at 4:23:57 PM UTC+1, Chris Angelico wrote:
> On Mon, Jun 25, 2018 at 11:15 PM, jkn wrote:
> > (as well as pedanticism ;-o).
>
> Pedantry.
>
> ChrisA
> (You know I can't let that one pass.)
I was chanel[l]ing the TimBot, as any fule kno...
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I’m creating a webapp and trying to download a stylesheet and templates from my
manual’s support site. I must be doing something wrong, because when I try to
run my app, I get a 404 error message. I downloaded the files by dragging them
off the screen into my webapp folder. But I’m getting a wei
On Mon, 25 Jun 2018 11:42:27 +0100, Mark Lawrence wrote:
> On 25/06/18 10:10, Alister via Python-list wrote:
>> On Mon, 25 Jun 2018 11:36:25 +0400, Abdur-Rahmaan Janhangeer wrote:
>>
>>> i think he means like for a loop to iterate over a list you might do
>>>
>>> list = [1,2,3]
>>> for i in range
On Mon, Jun 25, 2018 at 11:15 PM, jkn wrote:
> (as well as pedanticism ;-o).
Pedantry.
ChrisA
(You know I can't let that one pass.)
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On 2018-06-25, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
> And the specific line you reference is *especially* a joke, one which
> flies past nearly everyone's head:
>
> There should be one-- and preferably only one --obvious way to do it.
>
> Notice the dashes? There are *two* traditional ways to use an pair
> o
On 2018-06-23 23:08, Jim Lee wrote:
>>> On 06/23/2018 10:03 PM, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
def test():
a = 1
b = 2
result = [value for key, value in locals().items()]
return result
what would you expect the result of calling test() to be?
>>>
On 2018-06-24 05:03, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
> I'd like to run a quick survey. There is no right or wrong answer,
> since this is about your EXPECTATIONS, not what Python actually
> does.
>
> Given this function:
>
> def test():
> a = 1
> b = 2
> result = [value for key, value in local
Understanding and having an interest in Python does not imply knowledge
of Usenet, mailing lists, NNTP, gateways, gmane, bottom-posting,
vanilla-flopping, /et al/.
But, knowledge of these seems to be needed (or is at least useful) in
order to fully benefit from the Python list.
Would it be a
On Monday, June 25, 2018 at 12:17:29 PM UTC+1, Paul Moore wrote:
> On 25 June 2018 at 11:53, Steven D'Aprano
> wrote:
>
> > And the specific line you reference is *especially* a joke, one which
> > flies past nearly everyone's head:
> >
> > There should be one-- and preferably only one --obvious
Il giorno lunedì 25 giugno 2018 12:40:53 UTC+2, itai...@gmail.com ha scritto:
> Hey,
> I already have quite an experience in programming, and I wish to study Python
> as well. I need to study it before I continue with my comp. science academic
> studies.
> How do you recommend studying it? As m
Hey,
I already have quite an experience in programming, and I wish to study Python
as well. I need to study it before I continue with my comp. science academic
studies.
How do you recommend studying it? As mentioned in the headline, I already know
Java, C++ and C.
Thanks!
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On 25/06/18 10:10, Alister via Python-list wrote:
On Mon, 25 Jun 2018 11:36:25 +0400, Abdur-Rahmaan Janhangeer wrote:
i think he means like for a loop to iterate over a list you might do
list = [1,2,3]
for i in range(len(list)):
print(list[i])
but the you might as well go for the simple
On 25 June 2018 at 11:53, Steven D'Aprano
wrote:
> And the specific line you reference is *especially* a joke, one which
> flies past nearly everyone's head:
>
> There should be one-- and preferably only one --obvious way to do it.
>
>
> Notice the dashes? There are *two* traditional ways to use
On Sun, 24 Jun 2018 10:46:09 -0700, Jim Lee wrote:
> On 06/24/2018 04:35 AM, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
>>
>> Indeed. That's one of the beauties of Python -- even when there's an
>> advanced way to do it, there's generally a simple way too.
>>
>>
> What happened to the Python maxim "There should be on
On 25/06/2018 01:52, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
On Sun, 24 Jun 2018 21:21:57 +0100, Bart wrote:
I've had half a dozen users
Come back when you've had *half a million users* then we'll take your
experiences seriously.
That being the case with Python (maybe even ten times as many), why
would any
On Sunday, June 24, 2018 at 10:02:05 PM UTC+1, Hartmut Goebel wrote:
> I'm pleased to announce pdftools.pdfposter 0.7, a tool to scale and
> tile PDF images/pages to print on multiple pages.
>
> :Homepage: https://pdfposter.readthedocs.io/
> :Author: Hartmut Goebel
> :Licence: GNU Public Licen
we must maybe fibd an example where both are pythonic but one is simpler
unless my type of example was intented by @steve
Abdur-Rahmaan Janhangeer
https://github.com/Abdur-rahmaanJ
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On Mon, 25 Jun 2018 11:36:25 +0400, Abdur-Rahmaan Janhangeer wrote:
> i think he means like for a loop to iterate over a list you might do
>
> list = [1,2,3]
> for i in range(len(list)):
> print(list[i])
>
>
> but the you might as well go for the simpler :
>
>
> for elem in list:
>
>
i think he means like for a loop to iterate over a list you might do
list = [1,2,3]
for i in range(len(list)):
print(list[i])
but the you might as well go for the simpler :
for elem in list:
print(elem)
Abdur-Rahmaan Janhangeer
https://github.com/Abdur-rahmaanJ
>
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Hi folks,
In the last hour or so I've seen via thunderbird and gmane around 15
emails from various people where the from field is
name@1261/38.remove-r7u-this. The part after the @ symbol never
changes. I've seen the contents previously, apart from one from the
RUE. Users' complete email a
On 24/06/18 00:44, boB Stepp wrote:
I imagine that the
transition from version 2 to 3 was not undertaken halfheartedly, but
only after much thought and discussion since it did break backwards
compatibility.
So much so that a specific mailing list was set up just to discus the
transition, arch
On 24/06/18 17:07, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
Anyone on the Python-Dev mailing list, are you getting private emails
containing nothing but stream of consciousness word-salad from somebody
(some bot?) calling himself "Chanel Marvin" with a gmail address?
Typical example:
"I refuse to create my
On 06/24/2018 04:35 AM, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
Indeed. That's one of the beauties of Python -- even when there's an
advanced way to do it, there's generally a simple way too.
What happened to the Python maxim "There should be one—and preferably
only one—obvious way to do it"?
-Jim
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the past several hours its working overtime on python list messages,
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the past. Anyboy ever hear of ntpd?
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