On Sun, 24 Jun 2018 21:21:57 +0100, Bart wrote:
> I've had half a dozen users
Come back when you've had *half a million users* then we'll take your
experiences seriously.
https://blog.pythonanywhere.com/67/
https://stackoverflow.blog/2017/09/06/incredible-growth-python/
For a language which d
Paul Moore writes:
> On 24 June 2018 at 06:03, Steven D'Aprano
> wrote:
> > Given this function:
> >
> > def test():
> > a = 1
> > b = 2
> > result = [value for key, value in locals().items()]
> > return result
> >
> > what would you expect the result of calling test() to be? […]
Steven D'Aprano writes:
> Anyone on the Python-Dev mailing list, are you getting private emails
> containing nothing but stream of consciousness word-salad from
> somebody (some bot?) calling himself "Chanel Marvin" with a gmail
> address?
I am on that forum (via Gmane), and am not receiving any
Robert Latest via Python-list writes:
> Because the main.py script needs to import the tables.py module from
> backend, I put this at the top if main.py:
>
>sys.path.append('../..')
>import jobwatch.backend.tables as tables
>
> My question is: Is this the way it should be done? It looks f
On 24 June 2018 at 06:03, Steven D'Aprano
wrote:
> I'd like to run a quick survey. There is no right or wrong answer, since
> this is about your EXPECTATIONS, not what Python actually does.
>
> Given this function:
>
>
> def test():
> a = 1
> b = 2
> result = [value for key, value in l
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On 24/06/2018 20:02, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
On Sun, 24 Jun 2018 19:37:33 +0100, Bart wrote:
I want to program in /my/ style
Python is not Java, and Java is not Python either. Nor is it "Bart's
Language", or C, or Forth, or Lisp, or bash.
https://dirtsimple.org/2004/12/python-is-not-java.html
naaa it was not meant to be python ^^
Abdur-Rahmaan Janhangeer
https://github.com/Abdur-rahmaanJ
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To: Richard Damon
From: r...@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram)
Richard Damon writes:
>Now, if I have a parser that doesn't use the locale, but some other rule
>base than I just need to provide it with the right rules, which is
>basically just defining the right locale.
Here's an example C++ pr
From: "Peter J. Holzer"
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On 2018-06-23 12:11:34 -0400, Richard Damon wrote:
> On 6/23/18 10:05 AM, Peter J. Holzer wrote:
> > On 2018-06-23 08:41:38 -0400, Richar
From: MRAB
On 2018-06-23 05:16, Chris Angelico wrote:
> On Sat, Jun 23, 2018 at 1:51 PM, Steven D'Aprano
> wrote:
>> On Wed, 20 Jun 2018 14:18:19 +1000, Chris Angelico wrote:
>>
>>> Ah. Yeah, that would be a plausible feature to add to Python. But in C,
>>> a static variable is basically the sam
To: Stefan Ram
From: Bart
On 23/06/2018 14:32, Stefan Ram wrote:
> r...@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram) writes:
>> def f():
>> def g():
>> g.x += 1
>> return g.x
>> g.x = 0
>> return g
>
>Or, "for all g to share the same x":
>
>main.py
>
> def f():
> def
From: Richard Damon
On 6/23/18 11:44 AM, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
> On Sat, 23 Jun 2018 08:12:52 -0400, Richard Damon wrote:
>
>> On 6/23/18 7:46 AM, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
>>> On Sat, 23 Jun 2018 06:26:22 -0400, Richard Damon wrote:
>>>
If you know the Locale, then you do know what the decima
From: Richard Damon
On 6/23/18 10:05 AM, Peter J. Holzer wrote:
> On 2018-06-23 08:41:38 -0400, Richard Damon wrote:
>> On 6/23/18 8:28 AM, Peter J. Holzer wrote:
>>> On 2018-06-23 08:12:52 -0400, Richard Damon wrote:
On 6/23/18 7:46 AM, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
> If I'm in Australia, usin
From: "Peter J. Holzer"
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On 2018-06-23 12:41:33 -0400, Richard Damon wrote:
> On 6/23/18 11:44 AM, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
> > You're assuming that there will be a
From: Rick Johnson
On Sunday, May 20, 2018 at 5:29:11 PM UTC-5, Mikhail V wrote:
> What against PDF?
I'm not a big fan of PDF either. Adobe Reader is one the most bloated POS
software i have ever had the misfortune of hosting on my computers, and i
absolutely refuse to host that crapware any lo
From: Dennis Lee Bieber
On Sat, 23 Jun 2018 15:44:14 + (UTC), Steven D'Aprano
declaimed the following:
>1.234.567,012345678
>
>which is understandable to anyone who is aware of the possibility that
>comma may mean decimal separator and period the thousands separator.
>
Or it is
From: Steven D'Aprano
On Sat, 23 Jun 2018 08:12:52 -0400, Richard Damon wrote:
> On 6/23/18 7:46 AM, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
>> On Sat, 23 Jun 2018 06:26:22 -0400, Richard Damon wrote:
>>
>>> If you know the Locale, then you do know what the decimal separator
>>> is, as that is part of what a loc
From: Steven D'Aprano
On Sat, 23 Jun 2018 09:42:29 -0400, Richard Damon wrote:
> On 6/23/18 9:05 AM, Marko Rauhamaa wrote:
>> Ok. Here's a value for you:
>>
>> 100ΓΘ¼
>>
>> I see '1', '0', '0', 'ΓΘ¼'. What do you see in your locale (LC_MONETARY)?
>
> If I processed that on my system I would
From: Abdur-Rahmaan Janhangeer
the tab separated idea is used in :
e.g. see last section of files
Abdur-Rahmaan Janhangeer
https://github.com/Abdur-rahmaanJ
>
>
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On 2018-06-23 08:41:38 -0400, Richard Damon wrote:
> On 6/23/18 8:28 AM, Peter J. Holzer wrote:
> > On 2018-06-23 08:12:52 -0400, Richard
From: "Peter J. Holzer"
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On 2018-06-23 16:05:49 +0200, Peter J. Holzer wrote:
> I don't think that's a useful way to look at it. "Locale" in
> (non-technical) Eng
To: Steven D'Aprano
From: r...@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram)
Steven D'Aprano writes:
>def f():
>static x = 0
>def g():
>x += 1
>return x
>return g
What one can do today:
main.py
def g():
g.x += 1
return g.x
g.x = 0
print( g() )
print( g() )
print( g
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To: Richard Damon
From: Marko Rauhamaa
Richard Damon :
> On 6/23/18 9:05 AM, Marko Rauhamaa wrote:
>> Richard Damon :
>>
>>> On 6/23/18 8:03 AM, Marko Rauhamaa wrote:
I always know my locale. The locale is tied to the human user.
>>> No, it should be tied to the data you are processing.
>
From: Richard Damon
On 6/23/18 9:05 AM, Marko Rauhamaa wrote:
> Richard Damon :
>
>> On 6/23/18 8:03 AM, Marko Rauhamaa wrote:
>>> I always know my locale. The locale is tied to the human user.
>> No, it should be tied to the data you are processing.
>In computing, a locale is a set of parame
From: Richard Damon
On 6/23/18 8:03 AM, Marko Rauhamaa wrote:
> Richard Damon :
>> If you know the Locale, then you do know what the decimal separator
>> is, as that is part of what a locale defines.
> I don't know what that sentence means.
When you set the locale
>
>> The issue is that if you ju
From: Richard Damon
On 6/23/18 7:46 AM, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
> On Sat, 23 Jun 2018 06:26:22 -0400, Richard Damon wrote:
>
>> If you know the Locale, then you do know what the decimal separator is,
>> as that is part of what a locale defines.
> A locale defines a set of common cultural conventio
To: Stefan Ram
From: r...@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram)
r...@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram) writes:
>def f():
>def g():
>g.x += 1
>return g.x
>g.x = 0
>return g
Or, "for all g to share the same x":
main.py
def f():
def g():
f.x += 1
retur
From: Steven D'Aprano
On Sat, 23 Jun 2018 06:26:22 -0400, Richard Damon wrote:
> If you know the Locale, then you do know what the decimal separator is,
> as that is part of what a locale defines.
A locale defines a set of common cultural conventions. It doesn't mandate the
actual conventions i
To: Richard Damon
From: Marko Rauhamaa
Richard Damon :
> On 6/23/18 8:03 AM, Marko Rauhamaa wrote:
>> I always know my locale. The locale is tied to the human user.
> No, it should be tied to the data you are processing.
In computing, a locale is a set of parameters that defines the user's
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On 2018-06-22 17:20:29 -0700, denis.akhiya...@gmail.com wrote:
> Either wait for IronPython 3.6, use COM interop, pythonnet,
> subprocess
From: Richard Damon
On 6/23/18 8:28 AM, Peter J. Holzer wrote:
> On 2018-06-23 08:12:52 -0400, Richard Damon wrote:
>> On 6/23/18 7:46 AM, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
>>> On Sat, 23 Jun 2018 06:26:22 -0400, Richard Damon wrote:
If you know the Locale, then you do know what the decimal separator i
To: Steven D'Aprano
From: wxjmfa...@gmail.com
Le vendredi 22 juin 2018 11:07:15 UTC+2, Steven D'Aprano a ─CcritΓ :
>
> C# <--> IronPython 2.7 <--> CPython 3.6
>
C# <--> IronPython 2.7.
It will not work. Coding of characters ! Try with IronPython 2.7.8.
PS Yes, I know, it is based on .NET !!!
To: Steven D'Aprano
From: Bart
On 23/06/2018 04:51, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
> On Wed, 20 Jun 2018 14:18:19 +1000, Chris Angelico wrote:
>
>> Ah. Yeah, that would be a plausible feature to add to Python. But in C,
>> a static variable is basically the same thing as a global variable,
>> except th
From: Chris Angelico
On Sat, Jun 23, 2018 at 1:51 PM, Steven D'Aprano
wrote:
> On Wed, 20 Jun 2018 14:18:19 +1000, Chris Angelico wrote:
>
>> Ah. Yeah, that would be a plausible feature to add to Python. But in C,
>> a static variable is basically the same thing as a global variable,
>> except t
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On 2018-06-23 08:12:52 -0400, Richard Damon wrote:
> On 6/23/18 7:46 AM, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
> > On Sat, 23 Jun 2018 06:26:22 -0400, R
To: Richard Damon
From: Marko Rauhamaa
Richard Damon :
> If you know the Locale, then you do know what the decimal separator
> is, as that is part of what a locale defines.
I don't know what that sentence means.
> The issue is that if you just know the encoding, you don't necessarily
> know t
From: Steven D'Aprano
On Wed, 20 Jun 2018 14:18:19 +1000, Chris Angelico wrote:
> Ah. Yeah, that would be a plausible feature to add to Python. But in C,
> a static variable is basically the same thing as a global variable,
> except that its name is scoped to the function. There is only one of i
From: Steven D'Aprano
On Fri, 22 Jun 2018 20:06:35 +0100, Ben Bacarisse wrote:
> Steven D'Aprano writes:
>
>> On Fri, 22 Jun 2018 11:14:59 +0100, Ben Bacarisse wrote:
>>
> The code page remark is curious. Will some "code pages" have digits
> that are not ASCII digits?
Good qu
From: Richard Damon
On 6/22/18 11:21 PM, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
> On Fri, 22 Jun 2018 20:06:35 +0100, Ben Bacarisse wrote:
>
>> Steven D'Aprano writes:
>>
>>> On Fri, 22 Jun 2018 11:14:59 +0100, Ben Bacarisse wrote:
>>>
>> The code page remark is curious. Will some "code pages" have digits
From: Chris Angelico
On Sat, Jun 23, 2018 at 2:16 PM, Chris Angelico wrote:
> For getting rid of the "len=len" trick, though, I would REALLY like to
> transform those into LOAD_CONST. That'd be a fun bytecode hack all on
> its own. In fact, I'm gonna have a shot at that. An "early bind these
> n
To: Schachner, Joseph
From: denis.akhiya...@gmail.com
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things like gRPC. Based on PyPy experience, it is probably 1-2 years of
sponsored development to get a working IronPython 3.6.
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To: Steven D'Aprano
From: mm0fmf
On 22/06/2018 00:51, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
> On Thu, 21 Jun 2018 21:49:15 +0100, mm0fmf wrote:
>
> [snip unnecessary quoting]
>> Design requirements for python newsreader client:
>>
>> 1. Block all top posters
>
> I think it would be far more useful to block bo
To: Steven D'Aprano
From: Ben Bacarisse
Steven D'Aprano writes:
> On Fri, 22 Jun 2018 11:14:59 +0100, Ben Bacarisse wrote:
>
The code page remark is curious. Will some "code pages" have digits
that are not ASCII digits?
>>>
>>> Good question. I have no idea.
>>
>> It's much more o
On 6/23/18 10:44 PM, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
> On Sat, 23 Jun 2018 17:52:55 -0400, Richard Damon wrote:
>
>> If you have more than just a number representing a value in the locale
>> currency, you can't ask the locale how to present/accept it.
> You're the only one saying that it has to be handled b
On 6/24/18 3:02 PM, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
> On Sun, 24 Jun 2018 19:37:33 +0100, Bart wrote:
>
>> I want to program in /my/ style
> Python is not Java, and Java is not Python either. Nor is it "Bart's
> Language", or C, or Forth, or Lisp, or bash.
>
> https://dirtsimple.org/2004/12/python-is-not-j
On Sun, 24 Jun 2018 19:37:33 +0100, Bart wrote:
> I want to program in /my/ style
Python is not Java, and Java is not Python either. Nor is it "Bart's
Language", or C, or Forth, or Lisp, or bash.
https://dirtsimple.org/2004/12/python-is-not-java.html
https://dirtsimple.org/2004/12/java-is-not-
On 24/06/2018 19:36, Abdur-Rahmaan Janhangeer wrote:
see for example
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bresenham%27s_line_algorithm
see the pseudocode, i was implementing some raster algos when i found
myself aux anges
so close to py. i guess it was written in prehistoric times with the author
t
On 6/24/2018 12:07 PM, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
Anyone on the Python-Dev mailing list, are you getting private emails
containing nothing but stream of consciousness word-salad from somebody
(some bot?) calling himself "Chanel Marvin" with a gmail address?
Typical example:
"I refuse to create
On 6/24/2018 11:39 AM, Bart wrote:
Bart, I agree that people should not dogpile onto you. As with Rick, I
read your posts or not, depending on whether I feel like being
entertained at the moment, and usually move on without comment.
I know I'm going to get flak for bringing this up this old
On 24/06/2018 16:37, boB Stepp wrote:
On Sun, Jun 24, 2018 at 5:21 AM Bart wrote:
"... And of course, you would have to know how to use Python properly in
idiomatic style.
No. I want to program in /my/ style, one more like the pseudo-code that
was mentioned elsewhere, and that is universal
see for example
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bresenham%27s_line_algorithm
see the pseudocode, i was implementing some raster algos when i found
myself aux anges
so close to py. i guess it was written in prehistoric times with the author
trying to simplify stuffs
Abdur-Rahmaan Janhangeer
http
On Mon, Jun 25, 2018 at 2:23 AM, Abdur-Rahmaan Janhangeer
wrote:
> Python is rightly called executable pseudocode. i appreciated the fact that
> you can go on wikipaedia, find the pseudocode of algorithms remove curly
> braces and replace by py's more powerful syntax and poof, suddenly it
> becom
i follow the dev list so far no
but that particular mail might be related to pythan rather than random
messages
over the times i've talked to users of other langs (academics) one of the
fault they find with python is the virtual env setup, too boring a task.
environment in that case may refer to
On Mon, 25 Jun 2018 02:15:42 +1000, Chris Angelico wrote:
> On Mon, Jun 25, 2018 at 2:07 AM, Steven D'Aprano
> wrote:
>> Anyone on the Python-Dev mailing list, are you getting private emails
>> containing nothing but stream of consciousness word-salad from somebody
>> (some bot?) calling himself
On Sun, 24 Jun 2018 16:39:19 +0100, Bart wrote:
> More like utter disbelief at how it works. Surely it cannot work like
> that because it would be too inefficient? Apparently, yes it can...
Apparently, no it doesn't, because the fact that Python is used by tens
of thousands of programmers for so
Python is rightly called executable pseudocode. i appreciated the fact that
you can go on wikipaedia, find the pseudocode of algorithms remove curly
braces and replace by py's more powerful syntax and poof, suddenly it
becomes too easy.
Abdur-Rahmaan Janhangeer
https://github.com/Abdur-rahmaanJ
On Mon, Jun 25, 2018 at 2:07 AM, Steven D'Aprano
wrote:
> Anyone on the Python-Dev mailing list, are you getting private emails
> containing nothing but stream of consciousness word-salad from somebody
> (some bot?) calling himself "Chanel Marvin" with a gmail address?
>
> Typical example:
>
>
Anyone on the Python-Dev mailing list, are you getting private emails
containing nothing but stream of consciousness word-salad from somebody
(some bot?) calling himself "Chanel Marvin" with a gmail address?
Typical example:
"I refuse to create my environment on a computer. Stalls and stati
hum syntactic coating exists even in py. nice!
Abdur-Rahmaan Janhangeer
https://github.com/Abdur-rahmaanJ
>
>
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On Mon, Jun 25, 2018 at 1:02 AM, Steven D'Aprano
wrote:
> On Mon, 25 Jun 2018 00:46:00 +1000, Chris Angelico wrote:
>
>> On Sun, Jun 24, 2018 at 8:40 PM, Steven D'Aprano
>> wrote:
>>> On Sun, 24 Jun 2018 11:18:37 +0100, Bart wrote:
>>>
I wonder why it is just me that constantly needs to just
On 24/06/2018 15:46, Chris Angelico wrote:
On Sun, Jun 24, 2018 at 8:40 PM, Steven D'Aprano
wrote:
On Sun, 24 Jun 2018 11:18:37 +0100, Bart wrote:
I wonder why it is just me that constantly needs to justify his
existence in this group?
Because its just you who spends 90% of his time here co
On Sun, Jun 24, 2018 at 5:21 AM Bart wrote:
>
> On 24/06/2018 00:44, boB Stepp wrote:
> > On Sat, Jun 23, 2018 at 5:35 PM Bart wrote:
>
> >> I'm not a user...
> >
> > Then I am truly puzzled, Bart. Why do you even bother to hang out on
> > this list? If you do not want to use Python and you do
On Mon, 25 Jun 2018 00:46:00 +1000, Chris Angelico wrote:
> On Sun, Jun 24, 2018 at 8:40 PM, Steven D'Aprano
> wrote:
>> On Sun, 24 Jun 2018 11:18:37 +0100, Bart wrote:
>>
>>> I wonder why it is just me that constantly needs to justify his
>>> existence in this group?
>>
>> Because its just you w
On Sun, Jun 24, 2018 at 5:51 AM, Steven D'Aprano <
steve+comp.lang.pyt...@pearwood.info> wrote:
> Coconut, the functional programming language which compiles to Python:
>
> http://coconut.readthedocs.io/en/master/FAQ.html
>
> http://coconut-lang.org/
>
> (Its not my language. I just think its cool
On Sun, Jun 24, 2018 at 8:40 PM, Steven D'Aprano
wrote:
> On Sun, 24 Jun 2018 11:18:37 +0100, Bart wrote:
>
>> I wonder why it is just me that constantly needs to justify his
>> existence in this group?
>
> Because its just you who spends 90% of his time here complaining about
> how Python does it
Hello,
I'm building an application which consists of two largely distinct
parts, a frontend and a backend. The directory layout is like this:
|-- jobwatch
| |-- backend
| | |-- backend.py
| | |-- __init__.py
| | `-- tables.py
| |-- frontend
| | |-- __init__.py
| | |-- main
Coconut, the functional programming language which compiles to Python:
http://coconut.readthedocs.io/en/master/FAQ.html
http://coconut-lang.org/
(Its not my language. I just think its cool.)
--
Steven D'Aprano
"Ever since I learned about confirmation bias, I've been seeing
it everywhere." --
On Sat, 23 Jun 2018 14:52:24 -0500, boB Stepp wrote:
[...]
>> There is a place for various levels of programming language. I'm saying
>> that Python which is always touted as a 'simple' language suitable for
>> beginners, is missing a surprising number of basics.
>
> I still feel like a rank begi
On Sun, 24 Jun 2018 11:23:12 +0100, Bart wrote:
> On 24/06/2018 01:53, Ben Bacarisse wrote:
>> Bart writes:
>
>>> Wow. (Just think of all the times you write a function containing a
>>> neat bunch of local functions, every time it's called it has to create
>>> a new function instances for each o
On Sun, 24 Jun 2018 11:18:37 +0100, Bart wrote:
> I wonder why it is just me that constantly needs to justify his
> existence in this group?
Because its just you who spends 90% of his time here complaining about
how Python does it wrong.
--
Steven D'Aprano
"Ever since I learned about confirma
On 21/06/18 04:40, Sharan Basappa wrote:
> Folks,
>
> I am trying to run a simple example associated with nltk.
> I get some error and I don't know what the issue is.
> I need some guidance please.
>
[...]
> LookupError:
> **
>
On 24/06/2018 01:53, Ben Bacarisse wrote:
Bart writes:
Wow. (Just think of all the times you write a function containing a
neat bunch of local functions, every time it's called it has to create
a new function instances for each of those functions, even if they are
not used.)
I am surprised
On 24/06/2018 00:44, boB Stepp wrote:
On Sat, Jun 23, 2018 at 5:35 PM Bart wrote:
I'm not a user...
Then I am truly puzzled, Bart. Why do you even bother to hang out on
this list? If you do not want to use Python and you do not want to
improve Python's design and implementation, what is y
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