Re: Pros and cons of Python sources?

2017-11-27 Thread Cameron Simpson
On 28Nov2017 08:03, Marko Rauhamaa wrote: Cameron Simpson : And this is exactly what I'm warning about. Many Linux users see some kind of failure and just stick sudo on the front of the command. It is almost always the wrong things to do, leading to effects in the OS install area instead of bei

Re: How to shut down a TCPServer serve_forever() loop?

2017-11-27 Thread Marko Rauhamaa
Ian Kelly : > On Sat, Nov 25, 2017 at 7:10 AM, John Pote wrote: >> The issue is that if I press a key on the keyboard the key is >> immediately shown on the screen but then the shutdown() call blocks >> until another TCP connection is made, text is echoed back and only >> then does serve_forever(

Re: Pros and cons of Python sources?

2017-11-27 Thread Marko Rauhamaa
Cameron Simpson : > And this is exactly what I'm warning about. Many Linux users see some > kind of failure and just stick sudo on the front of the command. It is > almost always the wrong things to do, leading to effects in the OS > install area instead of being safely contained within one's home

Re: Increasing the diversity of people who write Python (was: Benefits of unicode identifiers)

2017-11-27 Thread Rustom Mody
On Monday, November 27, 2017 at 10:49:35 PM UTC+5:30, Skip Montanaro wrote: > > I strongly suspect that any recent emacs will have M-x insert-char > > (earlier it was called ucs-insert) default bound C-x 8 RET (yeah thats > > clunky) > > which will accept at the minibuffer input > > I tried C-x 8

Re: Increasing the diversity of people who write Python

2017-11-27 Thread Mikhail V
On Mon, Nov 27, 2017 at 8:09 PM, Alexandre Brault wrote: > A quick Google search turned up WinCompose. It defaults to Right-Alt for > its compose key, but that's configurable > > On 2017-11-27 02:05 PM, Paul Moore wrote: >> On 27 November 2017 at 18:13, Skip Montanaro >> wrote: If you have

Re: Increasing the diversity of people who write Python (was:

2017-11-27 Thread nospam . Rustom Mody
On Monday, November 27, 2017 at 8:07:47 PM UTC+5:30, Chris Angelico wrote: > On Tue, Nov 28, 2017 at 1:25 AM, Rustom Mody wrote: > > You could go one step more sophisticated and use TeX-input method > > (C-x RET C-\) > > After which \'e will collapse as ÄC > > â £Yeah ok but how the ^)*^$# am I to

Re: Benefits of unicode identifiers (was: Allow additional separator

2017-11-27 Thread breamoreboy
On Monday, November 27, 2017 at 10:08:06 PM UTC, wxjmfauth wrote: > Le lundi 27 novembre 2017 14:52:19 UTC+1, Rustom Mody a ÄCcritâ : > > On Monday, November 27, 2017 at 6:48:56 PM UTC+5:30, Rustom Mody wrote: > > > Having said that I should be honest to mention that I saw your post first > on > >

Re: Stopping an iterator and continuing later

2017-11-27 Thread nospam . Gregory Ewing
november nihal wrote: > I should have added I switch off the machine when I stop. ( I dont have options > to keep it in a sleep mode or in hibernation ) The iterator returned by itertools.combinations is pickleable: >>> from pickle import dumps, loads >>> from itertools import combinations >>

Re: Benefits of unicode identifiers (was: Allow additional separator in identifiers)

2017-11-27 Thread Peter J. Holzer
On 2017-11-24 04:52:57 +0100, Mikhail V wrote: > On Fri, Nov 24, 2017 at 4:13 AM, Chris Angelico wrote: > > On Fri, Nov 24, 2017 at 1:44 PM, Mikhail V wrote: > >> From my above example, you could probably see that I prefer somewhat > >> middle-sized identifiers, one-two syllables. And naturally,

While, If, Count Statements

2017-11-27 Thread nospam . Cai Gengyang
Input : count = 0 if count < 5: print "Hello, I am an if statement and count is", count while count < 10: print "Hello, I am a while and count is", count count += 1 Output : Hello, I am an if statement and count is 0 Hello, I am a while and count is 0 Hello, I am a while and count is 1

Re: Increasing the diversity of people who write Python

2017-11-27 Thread Alexandre Brault
A quick Google search turned up WinCompose. It defaults to Right-Alt for its compose key, but that's configurable On 2017-11-27 02:05 PM, Paul Moore wrote: > On 27 November 2017 at 18:13, Skip Montanaro wrote: >>> If you have a Windows key, you can assign it to be >>> the Compose key. >> Would t

Re: nospam ** infinity?

2017-11-27 Thread Skip Montanaro
> I'm 99.5% certain it's not gate_news. A funny thing. All messages I have looked at so far with the "nospam" thing have a Message-ID from binkp.net. (They are also all Usenet posts.) For example: Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Subject: Re: I have anaconda, but Pycharm can't find it Date: Sun, 26 N

Re: nospam ** infinity?

2017-11-27 Thread Skip Montanaro
>> Newsreader configuration problem? > > More likely, someone was trying to obscure the email addresses, but managed to > tag my name instead. Definitely looks like some sort of automation failure. > The > only question is, whose? If it's not from gate_news, there's someone here on > the list/ng

Please disable “digest” mode to participate (was: Python-list Digest, Vol 170, Issue 34)

2017-11-27 Thread Ben Finney
nospam."ROGER GRAYDON CHRISTMAN" (ROGER GRAYDON CHRISTMAN) writes: > I'll answer your question with a couple questions: Roger, your messages often are not replies to the original message, but replies to a “digest” composed by the mailing list. The digest messages are useful, but only for the re

Re: I have framework on python with pyunit, facing below issue while

2017-11-27 Thread Ben Finney
nospam.jaya.bir...@gmail.com (jaya birdar) writes: > Please let me know anyone aware about the issue Please let us know about the issue. * What Python is this? Installed how? Running on what platform? * What code base is this? What is a simple complete, executable example http://www.sscce.org

Re: Pros and cons of Python sources?

2017-11-27 Thread Cameron Simpson
On 27Nov2017 20:20, Martin Schöön wrote: Den 2017-11-26 skrev Cameron Simpson : On 26Nov2017 10:00, nospam.Martin Schöön wrote: Hmm, I seem to remember not being able to install packages with pip unless I did sudo pip. And this is exactly what I'm warning about. Many Linux users see some ki

Re: How to shut down a TCPServer serve_forever() loop?

2017-11-27 Thread Ian Kelly
On Sat, Nov 25, 2017 at 7:10 AM, John Pote wrote: > Hi all, > > My problem in summary is that my use of the shutdown() method only shuts > down a server after the next TCP request is received. > > I have a TCP server created in the run() method of a thread. > > class TCPlistener( Thread ): >

I guess I'd better plonk anything From: nospam.*

2017-11-27 Thread Grant Edwards
At least the phase delay through the feedback loop appears to be many hours. That should postpone disaster for a few days... -- Grant Edwards grant.b.edwardsYow! I'm sitting on my at SPEED QUEEN ... To me,

Re: connect four (game)

2017-11-27 Thread nospam . Chris Angelico
On Mon, Nov 27, 2017 at 3:04 PM, Rustom Mody wrote: >> Aviators have pinned down the best solution to this, I think. A pilot >> is not expected to be perfect; he is expected to follow checklists. A >> preflight checklist. A departure checklist. A landing checklist. >> Everything that needs to be d

Re: Increasing the diversity of people who write Python (was:

2017-11-27 Thread nospam . Rustom Mody
On Friday, November 24, 2017 at 10:11:24 PM UTC+5:30, Skip Montanaro wrote: > > Because if I already can't understand the words, it will be more useful > > to me to be able to type them reliably at a keyboard, for replication, > > search, discussion with others about the code, etc. > > I am probabl

Re: I have anaconda, but Pycharm can't find it

2017-11-27 Thread nospam . Miki Tebeka
You need to set the Python interpreter for the project to be the Anaconda one. See https://www.jetbrains.com/help/pycharm/configuring-python-interpreter.html On Monday, November 27, 2017 at 1:56:58 AM UTC+2, C W wrote: > Hello all, > > I am a first time PyCharm user. I have Python 3 and Anaconda i

Re: connect four (game)

2017-11-27 Thread nospam . bartc
On 27/11/2017 17:41, Chris Angelico wrote: > On Tue, Nov 28, 2017 at 2:14 AM, bartc wrote: >> JPEG uses lossy compression. The resulting recovered data is an >> approximation of the original. > > Ah but it is a perfect representation of the JPEG stream. Any given > compressed stream must always de

Re: Benefits of unicode identifiers (was: Allow additional separator

2017-11-27 Thread nospam . Rustom Mody
On Monday, November 27, 2017 at 6:48:56 PM UTC+5:30, Rustom Mody wrote: > Having said that I should be honest to mention that I saw your post first on > my phone where the î, showed but the gØÜ« showed as a rectangle something like âî$ > > I suspect that îö OTOH would have workedâ | dunno Yeah îö

Re: connect four (game)

2017-11-27 Thread nospam . Ned Batchelder
On 11/27/17 1:57 PM, bartc wrote: > On 27/11/2017 17:41, Chris Angelico wrote: >> On Tue, Nov 28, 2017 at 2:14 AM, bartc wrote: >>> JPEG uses lossy compression. The resulting recovered data is an >>> approximation of the original. >> >> Ah but it is a perfect representation of the JPEG stream. Any

Re: Pros and cons of Python sources?

2017-11-27 Thread nospam . Cameron Simpson
On 26Nov2017 10:00, nospam.Martin SchĶĶn wrote: >Den 2017-11-26 skrev Cameron Simpson : >> On 25Nov2017 08:34, rusi wrote: >>>On Saturday, November 25, 2017 at 9:45:07 PM UTC+5:30, Michael Torrie wrote: The problem with mixing repository-installed packages with pip-installed packages

Re: Increasing the diversity of people who write Python (was:

2017-11-27 Thread nospam . Paul Moore
On 27 November 2017 at 18:13, Skip Montanaro wrote: >> If you have a Windows key, you can assign it to be >> the Compose key. > > Would this be true on a machine running Windows? My work environment > has me developing on Linux, with a Windows desktop. It's not clear to > me that any sort of xmodm

Re: I have framework on python with pyunit, facing below issue while

2017-11-27 Thread nospam . Ned Batchelder
On 11/27/17 8:13 AM, jaya.bir...@gmail.com wrote: > Please let me know anyone aware about the issue > > > Traceback (most recent call last): > File "testrunner.py", line 447, in > testrunner_obj.main() > File "testrunner.py", line 433, in main > self.result() > File "testrunner.py", line 310, in r

Re: Increasing the diversity of people who write Python (was:

2017-11-27 Thread nospam . Chris Angelico
On Tue, Nov 28, 2017 at 5:13 AM, Skip Montanaro wrote: >> If you have a Windows key, you can assign it to be >> the Compose key. > > Would this be true on a machine running Windows? My work environment > has me developing on Linux, with a Windows desktop. It's not clear to > me that any sort of xm

Re: [META] Why are duplicate posts coming through?

2017-11-27 Thread nospam . Skip Montanaro
Chris, Please forward one or two to me. Mark Sapiro and I have been banging on the SpamBayes instance which supports the Usenet gateway. I suppose it's possible some change caused the problem you're seeing. Skip On Nov 26, 2017 5:22 PM, "Chris Angelico" wrote: Not sure whether this is an issue

Merits of otherwise of test-first (Re: connect four (game))

2017-11-27 Thread nospam . Gregory Ewing
bartc wrote: > Testing everything comprehensively just wouldn't be useful for me who > works on whole applications, whole concepts, not just a handful of > functions with well-defined inputs and outputs. I had this experience with Pyrex (the precursor to Cython). The various parts are so interdepe

Re: Increasing the diversity of people who write Python (was:

2017-11-27 Thread nospam . Skip Montanaro
> I strongly suspect that any recent emacs will have M-x insert-char > (earlier it was called ucs-insert) default bound C-x 8 RET (yeah thats clunky) > which will accept at the minibuffer input I tried C-x 8 e acute TAB and was prompted with "E-acute". I don't know why it would have capitalized t

Re: Increasing the diversity of people who write Python (was:

2017-11-27 Thread nospam . Chris Angelico
On Tue, Nov 28, 2017 at 1:55 AM, Rustom Mody wrote: > On Monday, November 27, 2017 at 8:07:47 PM UTC+5:30, Chris Angelico wrote: >> On Tue, Nov 28, 2017 at 1:25 AM, Rustom Mody wrote: >> > You could go one step more sophisticated and use TeX-input method >> > (C-x RET C-\) >> > After which \'e wil

Re: Increasing the diversity of people who write Python (was:

2017-11-27 Thread nospam . Skip Montanaro
> If you have a Windows key, you can assign it to be > the Compose key. Would this be true on a machine running Windows? My work environment has me developing on Linux, with a Windows desktop. It's not clear to me that any sort of xmodmap shennanigans would work. Won't Windows itself always gobbl

Re: connect four (game)

2017-11-27 Thread nospam . Ian Kelly
On Nov 27, 2017 7:08 AM, "Chris Angelico" wrote: In every compiler, interpreter, and CPU that I've ever used, the remainder has been well-defined. In what situation was it ill-defined, such that different compilers could do different things? In C89 the result of integer division and modulo wit

Re: connect four (game)

2017-11-27 Thread nospam . Chris Angelico
On Tue, Nov 28, 2017 at 2:14 AM, bartc wrote: > JPEG uses lossy compression. The resulting recovered data is an > approximation of the original. Ah but it is a perfect representation of the JPEG stream. Any given compressed stream must always decode to the same output. The lossiness is on the ENc

nospam ** infinity?

2017-11-27 Thread nospam . Gregory Ewing
There seems to be a gateway loop of some sort going on. I'm seeing multiple versions of the same posts in comp.lang.python with different numbers of "nospam"s prepended to the email address. -- Greg -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: connect four (game)

2017-11-27 Thread namenobodywants
On Monday, November 27, 2017 at 2:10:56 AM UTC-8, Chris Angelico wrote: > Or you could use the floating-point values for positive and negative > infinity perfecto! thank you! peace stm -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Benefits of unicode identifiers (was: Allow additional separator

2017-11-27 Thread nospam . Rustom Mody
On Monday, November 27, 2017 at 3:43:20 PM UTC+5:30, Antoon Pardon wrote: > Op 23-11-17 om 19:42 schreef Mikhail V: > > Chris A wrote: > > > >>> On Fri, Nov 24, 2017 at 1:10 AM, Mikhail V wrote: > >>> > Chris A wrote: > > Fortunately for the world, you're not the one who decided whic

Re: connect four (game)

2017-11-27 Thread nospam . Chris Angelico
On Mon, Nov 27, 2017 at 10:38 PM, bartc wrote: > On 27/11/2017 03:04, Michael Torrie wrote: >> >> On 11/26/2017 08:39 AM, bartc wrote: >>> >>> The problem was traced to two lines that were in the wrong order (in the >>> original program). I can't see how unit tests can have helped in any way >>> a

Re: Benefits of unicode identifiers (was: Allow additional separator

2017-11-27 Thread wxjmfauth
Le lundi 27 novembre 2017 14:52:19 UTC+1, Rustom Mody a ÄCcritâ : > On Monday, November 27, 2017 at 6:48:56 PM UTC+5:30, Rustom Mody wrote: > > Having said that I should be honest to mention that I saw your post first on > > my phone where the î, showed but the gØÜ« showed as a rectangle something

Re: Increasing the diversity of people who write Python (was:

2017-11-27 Thread nospam . Chris Angelico
On Tue, Nov 28, 2017 at 1:25 AM, Rustom Mody wrote: > You could go one step more sophisticated and use TeX-input method > (C-x RET C-\) > After which \'e will collapse as ÄC > â £Yeah ok but how the ^)*^$# am I to remember the mantra \'e?!â Ø you may ask > Trueâ | So as you rightly do, > - pick it

Re: connect four (game)

2017-11-27 Thread nospam . Gregory Ewing
bartc wrote: > (Maybe it's viable if working from an exacting > specification that someone else has already worked out.) In my experience, for anything non-trivial that hasn't been done before, these "exacting specifications" never exist. Even if someone handles wnat they *think* are exact and com

Re: connect four (game)

2017-11-27 Thread nospam . bartc
On 27/11/2017 13:57, Chris Angelico wrote: > On Mon, Nov 27, 2017 at 10:38 PM, bartc wrote: > Your decoder was straight-up buggy, and tests would have proven this. I created my Python version after the abysmal results from other Python decoders I tried which didn't work at all, gave the wrong r

Re: Benefits of unicode identifiers (was: Allow additional separator

2017-11-27 Thread nospam . Antoon Pardon
Op 23-11-17 om 19:42 schreef Mikhail V: > Chris A wrote: > >>> On Fri, Nov 24, 2017 at 1:10 AM, Mikhail V wrote: >>> Chris A wrote: Fortunately for the world, you're not the one who decided which characters were permitted in Python identifiers. The ability to use non-Englis

Re: Python-list Digest, Vol 170, Issue 34

2017-11-27 Thread ROGER GRAYDON CHRISTMAN
I'll answer your question with a couple questions: Why do you expect to get the results you seem to expect? What part of your code should repeat (and why)? A key factor in recognizing the difference between 'if' and 'while' is knowing what effect they have on the indented statements that follow

Re: connect four (game)

2017-11-27 Thread nospam . Rustom Mody
On Monday, November 27, 2017 at 12:12:24 PM UTC+5:30, Chris Angelico wrote: > On Mon, Nov 27, 2017 at 3:04 PM, Rustom Mody wrote: > >> Aviators have pinned down the best solution to this, I think. A pilot > >> is not expected to be perfect; he is expected to follow checklists. A > >> preflight che

Re: While, If, Count Statements

2017-11-27 Thread nospam . Ned Batchelder
On 11/27/17 7:54 AM, Cai Gengyang wrote: > Input : > > count = 0 > > if count < 5: >print "Hello, I am an if statement and count is", count > > while count < 10: >print "Hello, I am a while and count is", count >count += 1 > > Output : > > Hello, I am an if statement and count is 0 > He

Re: While, If, Count Statements

2017-11-27 Thread nospam . bartc
On 27/11/2017 12:54, Cai Gengyang wrote: > > Input : > > count = 0 > > if count < 5: >print "Hello, I am an if statement and count is", count > > while count < 10: >print "Hello, I am a while and count is", count >count += 1 > > Output : > > Hello, I am an if statement and count is 0 >

Re: connect four (game)

2017-11-27 Thread nospam . bartc
On 27/11/2017 03:04, Michael Torrie wrote: > On 11/26/2017 08:39 AM, bartc wrote: >> The problem was traced to two lines that were in the wrong order (in the >> original program). I can't see how unit tests can have helped in any way >> at all, and it would probably have taken much longer. > > What

Re: connect four (game)

2017-11-27 Thread namenobodywants
On Sunday, November 26, 2017 at 7:09:25 PM UTC-8, Michael Torrie wrote: > So you are using this Infinity class as a sentinel value of some kind? > Representing game state? There may be an easier way than a full on > custom type. Sometimes just a sentinel object is sufficient. Or an > enumeratio

Re: While, If, Count Statements

2017-11-27 Thread Stefan Ram
Cai Gengyang writes: Statement 0: >count = 0 Statement 1: >if count < 5: > print "Hello, I am an if statement and count is", count Statement 2: >while count < 10: > print "Hello, I am a while and count is", count > count += 1 There are three statements here. They are executed

Re: connect four (game)

2017-11-27 Thread nospam . Chris Angelico
On Mon, Nov 27, 2017 at 9:01 PM, wrote: > On Sunday, November 26, 2017 at 7:09:25 PM UTC-8, Michael Torrie wrote: > >> So you are using this Infinity class as a sentinel value of some kind? >> Representing game state? There may be an easier way than a full on >> custom type. Sometimes just a se

Re: connect four (game)

2017-11-27 Thread nospam . Chris Angelico
On Mon, Nov 27, 2017 at 10:08 AM, Gregory Ewing wrote: > Chris Angelico wrote: > >> On Mon, Nov 27, 2017 at 1:11 AM, bartc wrote: > >> >>> >>> If I had to bother with such systematic tests as you suggest, and finish >>> and >>> sign off everything before proceeding further, then nothing would eve

Re: connect four (game)

2017-11-27 Thread nospam . Rustom Mody
On Monday, November 27, 2017 at 9:08:42 AM UTC+5:30, Chris Angelico wrote: > On Mon, Nov 27, 2017 at 1:55 PM, Michael Torrie wrote: > > On 11/26/2017 07:11 AM, bartc wrote: > >>> You may argue that testing doesn't matter for his small game, written > >>> for his own education and amusement. The f

Re: connect four (game)

2017-11-27 Thread nospam . Gregory Ewing
Chris Angelico wrote: > On Mon, Nov 27, 2017 at 1:11 AM, bartc wrote: > >>If I had to bother with such systematic tests as you suggest, and finish and >>sign off everything before proceeding further, then nothing would ever get >>done. (Maybe it's viable if working from an exacting specification

I have framework on python with pyunit, facing below issue while

2017-11-27 Thread jaya birdar
Please let me know anyone aware about the issue Traceback (most recent call last): File "testrunner.py", line 447, in testrunner_obj.main() File "testrunner.py", line 433, in main self.result() File "testrunner.py", line 310, in result result = runner.run(self.suite) File "/auto/PyUnit/PyUnit-0.

Re: [META] Why are duplicate posts coming through?

2017-11-27 Thread nospam . Rustom Mody
On Monday, November 27, 2017 at 5:35:09 AM UTC+5:30, Skip Montanaro wrote: > Chris, > > Please forward one or two to me. Mark Sapiro and I have been banging on the > SpamBayes instance which supports the Usenet gateway. I suppose it's > possible some change caused the problem you're seeing. > > Ski

Re: connect four (game)

2017-11-27 Thread nospam . Chris Angelico
On Mon, Nov 27, 2017 at 1:55 PM, Michael Torrie wrote: > On 11/26/2017 07:11 AM, bartc wrote: >>> You may argue that testing doesn't matter for his small game, written >>> for his own education and amusement. The fact is that software in >>> general is of abysmal quality across the boards, and pr

I have anaconda, but Pycharm can't find it

2017-11-27 Thread nospam . C W
Hello all, I am a first time PyCharm user. I have Python 3 and Anaconda installed. They work together on Sublime Text, but not on Pycharm. Pycharm tells me it cannot find modules numpy, matplotlib, etc. What should I do? I tried to set the interpreter environment, and a few other options, none s

Re: connect four (game)

2017-11-27 Thread nospam . Michael Torrie
On 11/26/2017 08:39 AM, bartc wrote: > The problem was traced to two lines that were in the wrong order (in the > original program). I can't see how unit tests can have helped in any way > at all, and it would probably have taken much longer. What makes you think that? Surely other decoders were

[META] Why are duplicate posts coming through?

2017-11-27 Thread nospam . Chris Angelico
Not sure whether this is an issue for -owner or not; apologies if not. I'm seeing a whole lot of reasonably-recent posts getting re-sent, with "nospam" attached to the posters' names. And they're getting re-sent multiple times. Sometimes the posts have encoding problems (small amounts of mojibake)

Re: Argh!! Can't wrap my head around this Python stuff!

2017-11-27 Thread nospam . nospam . nospam . bartc
On 26/11/2017 09:09, Greg Tibbet wrote: > > I'm an old timer, have programmed in Fortran, C, C++, Perl, and a bit > of Java and trying to learn this new-fangled Python language! > > I've got a small program that uses PIL to create an image, draw some > primitives (rectanges, ellipses, etc...) and s

Re: connect four (game)

2017-11-27 Thread nospam . Michael Torrie
On 11/26/2017 07:11 AM, bartc wrote: >> You may argue that testing doesn't matter for his small game, written >> for his own education and amusement. The fact is that software in >> general is of abysmal quality across the boards, and promoting a habit >> of unit testing is good, even for trivial,

Re: Argh!! Can't wrap my head around this Python stuff!

2017-11-27 Thread nospam . nospam . nospam . Wanderer
On Sunday, November 26, 2017 at 4:10:12 AM UTC-5, Greg Tibbet wrote: > I'm an old timer, have programmed in Fortran, C, C++, Perl, and a bit > of Java and trying to learn this new-fangled Python language! > > I've got a small program that uses PIL to create an image, draw some > primitives (rectang

Re: connect four (game)

2017-11-27 Thread nospam . Michael Torrie
On 11/25/2017 12:58 PM, namenobodywa...@gmail.com wrote: > the idea is that there should be exactly one object posinf (positive infinity) that compares as strictly greater than any number ever considered, and exactly one object neginf that compares as strictly less; as the code stands now there is

Re: connect four (game)

2017-11-27 Thread nospam . nospam . nospam . bartc
On 25/11/2017 23:49, Terry Reedy wrote: > On 11/25/2017 4:57 PM, namenobodywa...@gmail.com wrote: >> On Saturday, November 25, 2017 at 12:48:38 AM UTC-8, Terry Reedy wrote: >> >>> I did, and it looks buggy to me.â The top and left frame lines are >>> missing.â If I click a square, the bottom squa

Re: nospam ** infinity?

2017-11-27 Thread nospam . Chris Angelico
On Mon, Nov 27, 2017 at 12:14 PM, Skip Montanaro wrote: >> There seems to be a gateway loop of some sort going on. >> I'm seeing multiple versions of the same posts in >> comp.lang.python with different numbers of "nospam"s >> prepended to the email address. > > This is the second thread about thi

Re: nospam ** infinity?

2017-11-27 Thread nospam . Skip Montanaro
> There seems to be a gateway loop of some sort going on. > I'm seeing multiple versions of the same posts in > comp.lang.python with different numbers of "nospam"s > prepended to the email address. This is the second thread about this. I was thinking it might be related to recent changes to the g

Re: Compile Python 3 interpreter to force 2-byte unicode

2017-11-27 Thread nospam . nospam . nospam . Rustom Mody
Mody) On Sunday, November 26, 2017 at 3:43:29 AM UTC+5:30, Chris Angelico wrote: > On Sun, Nov 26, 2017 at 9:05 AM, wojtek.mula wrote: > > Hi, my goal is to obtain an interpreter that internally > > uses UCS-2. Such a simple code should print 65535: > > > > import sys > > print sys.maxunicode

Re: Stopping an iterator and continuing later (Posting On Python-List P

2017-11-27 Thread november nihal
On Saturday, 25 November 2017 20:59:02 UTC, Lawrence Dâ ÖOliveiro wrote: > On Sunday, November 26, 2017 at 6:43:05 AM UTC+13, novembe...@gmail.com wrote: > > I worked out how to use iterators to generate values one at a time > > then ran into a second problem which is time. Is it possible to > > s

Re: [META] Why are duplicate posts coming through?

2017-11-27 Thread nospam . Chris Angelico
On Mon, Nov 27, 2017 at 11:04 AM, Skip Montanaro wrote: > Chris, > > Please forward one or two to me. Mark Sapiro and I have been banging on the > SpamBayes instance which supports the Usenet gateway. I suppose it's > possible some change caused the problem you're seeing. > > Skip Sent a couple t

Re: connect four (game)

2017-11-27 Thread nospam . nospam . nospam . bartc
On 25/11/2017 16:07, Michael Torrie wrote: > On 11/25/2017 06:00 AM, bartc wrote: >> And there's a quite lot left of the rest of the program to worry about too! >> >> If you add 'window()' at the end of the program, then it seems to run on >> Python 3. I'd play around with it first before thinking

Re: Argh!! Can't wrap my head around this Python stuff!

2017-11-27 Thread Stefan Ram
Ram) (Stefan Ram) Greg Tibbet writes: >I'm an old timer, have programmed in Fortran, C, C++, Perl, and a bit >of Java and trying to learn this new-fangled Python language! Which actually is older than Java. >def ellipse(self, xy, fill=None, outline=None): >"""Draw an ellipse.""" >

Re: connect four (game)

2017-11-27 Thread nospam.nospam.nospam.alister via Python-list
On Sat, 25 Nov 2017 12:26:52 -0800, namenobodywants wrote: > On Friday, November 24, 2017 at 8:07:07 AM UTC-8, Chris Angelico wrote: > >> This is the kind of function that needs a docstring and some comments. >> What exactly is this doing? What are the "lines" of the board? What's >> the differenc

Re: Compile Python 3 interpreter to force 2-byte unicode

2017-11-27 Thread wojtek mula
On Sunday, November 26, 2017 at 1:00:19 AM UTC+1, Terry Reedy wrote: > You must be trying to compile 2.7. There may be Linux distributions > that compile this way. You're right, I need 2.7. Any hint which distro has got these settings? > If you want to seriously work with unicode, many recommend

Re: Pros and cons of Python sources?

2017-11-27 Thread Andrew Z
Martin, Im Late to the party, but my (newbish) .02 I learned hard way not to mix rpm and pip (im on fedora). Yes, pip ...-user is what i use now exclusively. I doubt you can _easily_ clean everything up..especially considering that a few linux core utils depend on python nowadays. Maybe you ca

Re: Pros and cons of Python sources?

2017-11-27 Thread Paul Moore
On 27 November 2017 at 20:20, Martin Schöön wrote: > Den 2017-11-26 skrev Cameron Simpson : >> On 26Nov2017 10:00, nospam.Martin Schöön wrote: >>> >>>Hmm, I seem to remember not being able to install packages with pip unless I >>>did sudo pip. >> >> And this is exactly what I'm warning about. Man

Re: Pros and cons of Python sources?

2017-11-27 Thread Martin Schöön
Den 2017-11-26 skrev Cameron Simpson : > On 26Nov2017 10:00, nospam.Martin Schöön wrote: >> >>Hmm, I seem to remember not being able to install packages with pip unless I >>did sudo pip. > > And this is exactly what I'm warning about. Many Linux users see some kind of > failure and just stick sud

Re: connect four (game)

2017-11-27 Thread Ned Batchelder
On 11/27/17 1:57 PM, bartc wrote: On 27/11/2017 17:41, Chris Angelico wrote: On Tue, Nov 28, 2017 at 2:14 AM, bartc wrote: JPEG uses lossy compression. The resulting recovered data is an approximation of the original. Ah but it is a perfect representation of the JPEG stream. Any given compre

Re: Increasing the diversity of people who write Python (was: Benefits of unicode identifiers)

2017-11-27 Thread Paul Moore
On 27 November 2017 at 18:13, Skip Montanaro wrote: >> If you have a Windows key, you can assign it to be >> the Compose key. > > Would this be true on a machine running Windows? My work environment > has me developing on Linux, with a Windows desktop. It's not clear to > me that any sort of xmodm

Re: connect four (game)

2017-11-27 Thread bartc
On 27/11/2017 17:41, Chris Angelico wrote: On Tue, Nov 28, 2017 at 2:14 AM, bartc wrote: JPEG uses lossy compression. The resulting recovered data is an approximation of the original. Ah but it is a perfect representation of the JPEG stream. Any given compressed stream must always decode to t

Re: Increasing the diversity of people who write Python (was: Benefits of unicode identifiers)

2017-11-27 Thread Skip Montanaro
> If you have a Windows key, you can assign it to be > the Compose key. Would this be true on a machine running Windows? My work environment has me developing on Linux, with a Windows desktop. It's not clear to me that any sort of xmodmap shennanigans would work. Won't Windows itself always gobble

Re: Increasing the diversity of people who write Python (was: Benefits of unicode identifiers)

2017-11-27 Thread Chris Angelico
On Tue, Nov 28, 2017 at 5:13 AM, Skip Montanaro wrote: >> If you have a Windows key, you can assign it to be >> the Compose key. > > Would this be true on a machine running Windows? My work environment > has me developing on Linux, with a Windows desktop. It's not clear to > me that any sort of xm

Re: Increasing the diversity of people who write Python (was: Benefits of unicode identifiers)

2017-11-27 Thread Chris Angelico
On Tue, Nov 28, 2017 at 1:55 AM, Rustom Mody wrote: > On Monday, November 27, 2017 at 8:07:47 PM UTC+5:30, Chris Angelico wrote: >> On Tue, Nov 28, 2017 at 1:25 AM, Rustom Mody wrote: >> > You could go one step more sophisticated and use TeX-input method >> > (C-x RET C-\) >> > After which \'e wil

Re: nospam ** infinity?

2017-11-27 Thread breamoreboy
On Monday, November 27, 2017 at 1:19:38 AM UTC, Chris Angelico wrote: > On Mon, Nov 27, 2017 at 12:14 PM, Skip Montanaro wrote: > >> There seems to be a gateway loop of some sort going on. > >> I'm seeing multiple versions of the same posts in > >> comp.lang.python with different numbers of "nospam

Re: connect four (game)

2017-11-27 Thread Chris Angelico
On Tue, Nov 28, 2017 at 2:14 AM, bartc wrote: > JPEG uses lossy compression. The resulting recovered data is an > approximation of the original. Ah but it is a perfect representation of the JPEG stream. Any given compressed stream must always decode to the same output. The lossiness is on the ENc

Re: Increasing the diversity of people who write Python (was: Benefits of unicode identifiers)

2017-11-27 Thread Skip Montanaro
> I strongly suspect that any recent emacs will have M-x insert-char > (earlier it was called ucs-insert) default bound C-x 8 RET (yeah thats clunky) > which will accept at the minibuffer input I tried C-x 8 e acute TAB and was prompted with "E-acute". I don't know why it would have capitalized t

Re: Python-list Digest, Vol 170, Issue 34

2017-11-27 Thread ROGER GRAYDON CHRISTMAN
I'll answer your question with a couple questions: Why do you expect to get the results you seem to expect? What part of your code should repeat (and why)? A key factor in recognizing the difference between 'if' and 'while' is knowing what effect they have on the indented statements that follow

Re: While, If, Count Statements

2017-11-27 Thread Ned Batchelder
On 11/27/17 7:54 AM, Cai Gengyang wrote: Input : count = 0 if count < 5: print "Hello, I am an if statement and count is", count while count < 10: print "Hello, I am a while and count is", count count += 1 Output : Hello, I am an if statement and count is 0 Hello, I am a while and c

Re: connect four (game)

2017-11-27 Thread bartc
On 27/11/2017 13:57, Chris Angelico wrote: On Mon, Nov 27, 2017 at 10:38 PM, bartc wrote: Your decoder was straight-up buggy, and tests would have proven this. I created my Python version after the abysmal results from other Python decoders I tried which didn't work at all, gave the wrong

Re: Increasing the diversity of people who write Python (was: Benefits of unicode identifiers)

2017-11-27 Thread Rustom Mody
On Monday, November 27, 2017 at 8:07:47 PM UTC+5:30, Chris Angelico wrote: > On Tue, Nov 28, 2017 at 1:25 AM, Rustom Mody wrote: > > You could go one step more sophisticated and use TeX-input method > > (C-x RET C-\) > > After which \'e will collapse as é > > “Yeah ok but how the ^)*^$# am I to rem

Re: connect four (game)

2017-11-27 Thread Ian Kelly
On Nov 27, 2017 7:08 AM, "Chris Angelico" wrote: In every compiler, interpreter, and CPU that I've ever used, the remainder has been well-defined. In what situation was it ill-defined, such that different compilers could do different things? In C89 the result of integer division and modulo wit

Re: Increasing the diversity of people who write Python (was: Benefits of unicode identifiers)

2017-11-27 Thread Chris Angelico
On Tue, Nov 28, 2017 at 1:25 AM, Rustom Mody wrote: > You could go one step more sophisticated and use TeX-input method > (C-x RET C-\) > After which \'e will collapse as é > “Yeah ok but how the ^)*^$# am I to remember the mantra \'e?!” you may ask > True… So as you rightly do, > - pick it up fro

Re: Increasing the diversity of people who write Python (was: Benefits of unicode identifiers)

2017-11-27 Thread Rustom Mody
On Friday, November 24, 2017 at 10:11:24 PM UTC+5:30, Skip Montanaro wrote: > > Because if I already can't understand the words, it will be more useful > > to me to be able to type them reliably at a keyboard, for replication, > > search, discussion with others about the code, etc. > > I am probab

Re: connect four (game)

2017-11-27 Thread Chris Angelico
On Mon, Nov 27, 2017 at 10:38 PM, bartc wrote: > On 27/11/2017 03:04, Michael Torrie wrote: >> >> On 11/26/2017 08:39 AM, bartc wrote: >>> >>> The problem was traced to two lines that were in the wrong order (in the >>> original program). I can't see how unit tests can have helped in any way >>> a

Re: Benefits of unicode identifiers (was: Allow additional separator in identifiers)

2017-11-27 Thread Rustom Mody
On Monday, November 27, 2017 at 6:48:56 PM UTC+5:30, Rustom Mody wrote: > Having said that I should be honest to mention that I saw your post first on > my phone where the θ showed but the 𝚫 showed as a rectangle something like ⌧ > > I suspect that Δ OTOH would have worked… dunno Yeah Δ shows whe

Re: connect four (game)

2017-11-27 Thread Rustom Mody
On Monday, November 27, 2017 at 12:12:24 PM UTC+5:30, Chris Angelico wrote: > On Mon, Nov 27, 2017 at 3:04 PM, Rustom Mody wrote: > >> Aviators have pinned down the best solution to this, I think. A pilot > >> is not expected to be perfect; he is expected to follow checklists. A > >> preflight che

Re: While, If, Count Statements

2017-11-27 Thread bartc
On 27/11/2017 12:54, Cai Gengyang wrote: Input : count = 0 if count < 5: print "Hello, I am an if statement and count is", count while count < 10: print "Hello, I am a while and count is", count count += 1 Output : Hello, I am an if statement and count is 0 Hello, I am a while and

Re: I have framework on python with pyunit, facing below issue while executing test case

2017-11-27 Thread Ned Batchelder
On 11/27/17 8:13 AM, jaya.bir...@gmail.com wrote: Please let me know anyone aware about the issue Traceback (most recent call last): File "testrunner.py", line 447, in testrunner_obj.main() File "testrunner.py", line 433, in main self.result() File "testrunner.py", line 310, in result result =

Re: Benefits of unicode identifiers (was: Allow additional separator in identifiers)

2017-11-27 Thread Rustom Mody
On Monday, November 27, 2017 at 3:43:20 PM UTC+5:30, Antoon Pardon wrote: > Op 23-11-17 om 19:42 schreef Mikhail V: > > Chris A wrote: > > > >>> On Fri, Nov 24, 2017 at 1:10 AM, Mikhail V wrote: > >>> > Chris A wrote: > > Fortunately for the world, you're not the one who decided whic

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