On Wednesday 16 March 2016 10:38, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:
> Chris Angelico wrote:
>
>> On Wed, Mar 16, 2016 at 9:53 AM, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn
>> wrote:
>
> Attribution *line*, not attribution novel.
Chris' attribution is about 75,000 words short of even a small novel.
And it woul
On Wed, Mar 16, 2016 at 3:27 PM, Gregory Ewing
wrote:
> Chris Angelico wrote:
>>
>> There are many places where there are limits (hard or soft) on message
>> lengths. Some of us still use MUDs and 80-character line limits.
>> Business cards or other printed media need to be transcribed by hand.
>>
Chris Angelico wrote:
There are many places where there are limits (hard or soft) on message
lengths. Some of us still use MUDs and 80-character line limits.
Business cards or other printed media need to be transcribed by hand.
Dictation of URLs becomes virtually impossible when they're
arbitrari
On 16/03/2016 01:55, jj0gen0i...@gmail.com wrote:
You have apparently mistaken me for someone who's worried. I don't use Python, I was
just curious as to why a construct that is found, not only to be useful in 95% of other
languages, but is generally considered more flexible and readable than
On Tuesday, March 15, 2016 at 9:55:27 PM UTC-4, jj0ge...@gmail.com wrote:
> You have apparently mistaken me for someone who's worried. I don't use
> Python, I was just curious as to why a construct that is found, not only to
> be useful in 95% of other languages, but is generally considered more
On Tuesday, March 15, 2016 at 7:23:12 PM UTC-5, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:
(Note: i had to rearrange your paragraph to accommodate a more
intuitive response. I apologize for this, but i'm confident
i was able to maintain your original intent)
> You are giving bad advice to a junior develope
On Tuesday 15 March 2016 22:46:44 Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:
> Gene Heskett wrote:
> > On Tuesday 15 March 2016 19:55:52 Chris Angelico wrote:
> >> On Wed, Mar 16, 2016 at 10:38 AM, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn
> >>
> >> > And as for second-level domains, consider for example “t.c”
> >> > inste
On Tuesday, March 15, 2016 at 11:05:32 PM UTC+5:30, Peter Otten wrote:
> Indeed. It's still better than
>
> "This is %s a fruit" % (x in x_list and "" or "not")
>
> The bug is intentional; the fix is of course
>
> "This is %s a fruit" % (x in x_list and "most likely" or "probably not")
>
> ;)
Gene Heskett wrote:
> On Tuesday 15 March 2016 19:55:52 Chris Angelico wrote:
>> On Wed, Mar 16, 2016 at 10:38 AM, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn
>> > And as for second-level domains, consider for example “t.c” instead
>> > of “twitter.com” as part of the short URI.
>> That'll work only for the ones th
On Tuesday 15 March 2016 19:55:52 Chris Angelico wrote:
> On Wed, Mar 16, 2016 at 10:38 AM, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn
>
> wrote:
> > Chris Angelico wrote:
> >> On Wed, Mar 16, 2016 at 9:53 AM, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn
> >>
> >> wrote:
> >>> […] I cannot be sure because I have not thought this t
You have apparently mistaken me for someone who's worried. I don't use Python,
I was just curious as to why a construct that is found, not only to be useful
in 95% of other languages, but is generally considered more flexible and
readable than the if-elif, was missing in Python. (your link "Sw
On 16/03/2016 00:51, BartC wrote:
On 15/03/2016 23:47, jj0gen0i...@gmail.com wrote:
Thanks for the informative post. I've read it and disagree with the
rational, it places Python in a decided minority of the major languages.
And this proposal (3103) was by the guy who invented the language!
On 15/03/2016 23:47, jj0gen0i...@gmail.com wrote:
Thanks for the informative post. I've read it and disagree with the rational,
it places Python in a decided minority of the major languages.
And this proposal (3103) was by the guy who invented the language!
Good thing he didn't have design-
Mark Lawrence wrote:
> Please ignore 'PointedEars',
Please ignore Mark Lawrence unless he has something on-topic to say.
How does that feel, Mark?
> every month or so for some weird reason
The reason being obviously that the people to whose postings I happen to
post a follow-up to do not post
Chris Angelico wrote:
> On Wed, Mar 16, 2016 at 10:38 AM, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn
> wrote:
>> Chris Angelico wrote:
>>> On Wed, Mar 16, 2016 at 9:53 AM, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn
>>> wrote:
[…] I cannot be sure because I have not thought this through, but with
>>
On 15/03/2016 21:02, Christian Gollwitzer wrote:
Am 14.03.16 um 23:40 schrieb BartC:
On 14/03/2016 22:20, Mark Lawrence wrote:
> The RUE kept stating that he was an expert in unicode, but never once
> provided a single shred of evidence to support his claim. Until I see
> substantiated evide
On Wed, Mar 16, 2016 at 11:31 AM, Erik wrote:
>
>> I often like to make a small
>> change when I reimplement, though - something that I thought was
>> ill-designed in the original,
>
>
> OK, so maybe the idea for Vinicius (if he's still reading) to pursue is that
> it should be something that can
Hi Chris,
On 15/03/16 23:48, Chris Angelico wrote:
I agree, it's a risk. Any indirection adds that. So the benefit has to
be weighed against this inherent cost.
True, so it's not URL shorteners that I disagree with on principle, it's
the _inappropriate_ use of URL shorteners ;) If one uses th
Rick Johnson wrote:
> On Tuesday, March 15, 2016 at 5:54:46 PM UTC-5, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn
> wrote:
>> Vinicius Mesel wrote:
>> > I'm a 16 year old Python Programmer that wanted to do
>> > something different. But, like we know, ideas are quite
>> > difficult to find. So I decided to develop
On Mon, 14 Mar 2016 10:19:23 -0500, Skip Montanaro wrote:
> Is this correct (today, with Daylight Savings in effect)?
>
import pytz
i.timezone
> 'America/Chicago'
pytz.timezone(i.timezone)
>
ot
> datetime.datetime(2016, 3, 14, 9, 30, tzinfo= 'America/New_York' EDT-1 day, 20:00:0
On 15/03/2016 23:47, jj0gen0i...@gmail.com wrote:
Thanks for the informative post. I've read it and disagree with the rational,
it places Python in a decided minority of the major languages.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conditional_(computer_programming)#Case_and_switch_statements
See secti
On Wed, Mar 16, 2016 at 10:38 AM, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn
wrote:
> Chris Angelico wrote:
>
>> On Wed, Mar 16, 2016 at 9:53 AM, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn
>> wrote:
>
>>> […] I cannot be sure because I have not thought this through, but with
> ^
On Wed, Mar 16, 2016 at 10:40 AM, Erik wrote:
> Hi Chris,
>
> On 15/03/16 23:16, Chris Angelico wrote:
>>
>> So URL shorteners are invaluable tools.
>
>
> Perhaps, and in the specific - transient - use-cases you describe that's
> fine. The problem I have with them is that they are a level of indir
Thanks for the informative post. I've read it and disagree with the rational,
it places Python in a decided minority of the major languages.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conditional_(computer_programming)#Case_and_switch_statements
See section "Choice system cross reference"
Thanks again for
Hi Chris,
On 15/03/16 23:16, Chris Angelico wrote:
So URL shorteners are invaluable tools.
Perhaps, and in the specific - transient - use-cases you describe that's
fine. The problem I have with them is that they are a level of
indirection controlled by a third party. If the source (let's say
Chris Angelico wrote:
> On Wed, Mar 16, 2016 at 9:53 AM, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn
> wrote:
Attribution *line*, _not_ attribution novel.
>> […] I cannot be sure because I have not thought this through, but with
^^^
>> aliases for commo
On Tuesday, March 15, 2016 at 5:54:46 PM UTC-5, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:
> Vinicius Mesel wrote:
> > I'm a 16 year old Python Programmer that wanted to do
> > something different. But, like we know, ideas are quite
> > difficult to find. So I decided to develop a URL
> > Shortener to help t
On Wed, Mar 16, 2016 at 9:53 AM, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn
wrote:
> Vinicius Mesel wrote:
>
>> I'm a 16 year old Python Programmer that wanted to do something different.
>> But, like we know, ideas are quite difficult to find.
>> So I decided to develop a URL Shortener to help the Python community
On 15/03/16 22:53, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:
A few
less bytes there do not count.
You mean "Fewer bytes there do not count".
E.
(But on the whole, yes, I do agree with your position in this instance.
Kudos to Vinicius for doing something productive with his time though -
I'm sure a lo
On 15/03/2016 20:46, jj0gen0i...@gmail.com wrote:
Given that "Case Statements" are more compact and less redundant than a
sequence of if-elif statements, and usually can contain embedded match lists:
Is there any chance future versions of Python will adopt a case structure?
Something like
sele
Vinicius Mesel wrote:
> I'm a 16 year old Python Programmer that wanted to do something different.
> But, like we know, ideas are quite difficult to find.
> So I decided to develop a URL Shortener to help the Python community out
> and share my coding knowledge, and today the project was launched
Chris Angelico wrote:
> On Wed, Mar 16, 2016 at 5:59 AM, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn
> wrote:
>> That said, not distributing the source code of a program as well (or at
>> least making it available to users in some way) strikes me as unpythonic
>> since Python is at least Open Source software, and
Am 14.03.16 um 23:40 schrieb BartC:
On 14/03/2016 22:20, Mark Lawrence wrote:
> The RUE kept stating that he was an expert in unicode, but never once
> provided a single shred of evidence to support his claim. Until I see
> substantiated evidence from you I am going to state quite cleary that
Hey guys,
I'm a 16 year old Python Programmer that wanted to do something different.
But, like we know, ideas are quite difficult to find.
So I decided to develop a URL Shortener to help the Python community out and
share my coding knowledge, and today the project was launched with its first
sta
Given that "Case Statements" are more compact and less redundant than a
sequence of if-elif statements, and usually can contain embedded match lists:
Is there any chance future versions of Python will adopt a case structure?
Something like
select x
case in [1,2,3,5,7,9]
print
case
On Wed, Mar 16, 2016 at 5:59 AM, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn
wrote:
> That said, not distributing the source code of a program as well (or at
> least making it available to users in some way) strikes me as unpythonic
> since Python is at least Open Source software, and Python 2.0.1, 2.1.1 and
> newe
On Mon, 14 Mar 2016 20:56:44 +, Val Krem wrote:
> #!/usr/bin/python
On some Linux systems python is installed in /usr/local/bin.
I would suggest using the hash-bang below. It will insure
python will run no matter where it was installed.
#!/usr/bin/env python
--
GNU/Linux user #557453
May
On Tuesday, March 15, 2016 at 1:23:58 PM UTC-5, MRAB wrote:
> Failure is not inevitable.
Inevitable? No.
Highly probable? Yes.
(This message sponsored by: The Magic Eight Ball)
--
https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
On Tuesday, March 15, 2016 at 9:38:16 AM UTC-5, Grant Edwards wrote:
> How difficult a web site is to use is proportional to the
> size of organization that owns it and how much money they
> spent developing it.
I would also add: "The quality of the engineers who design
and implement it". This is
Ben Finney wrote:
> Swanand Pashankar writes:
>> Embedding a Python file in C code works, but it exposes your Python
>> script. Didn't find any free fool-proof way to obfuscate Python code
>> either.
>
> What exactly is it you want to prevent? Why do you think obfuscating the
> code will achieve
On 15/03/2016 14:58, BartC wrote:
On 15/03/2016 11:52, BartC wrote:
On 15/03/2016 01:55, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
switch obj:
case "Hello", None: ...
case [1, 2, 3]: ...
case 23.01, 15+2j, Fraction(10, 11): ...
case 100**100, {}: ...
and more. This is not negotiable: havin
Luke Charlton wrote:
> Okay, So basically I created a python script around 1 year ago to grab an
> explain_plan from a Greenplum system (Normal SQL) and change it around and
> explain each step/section, the thing is, I've came back to the python code
> and I don't understand anything of what it's
On 2016-03-15 14:37, Grant Edwards wrote:
On 2016-03-14, Seymore4Head wrote:
Wells Fargo online will not allow you to change a payee's address. You
have to delete the account and re enter it.
Wells Fargo is a pretty large company with a lot of money to spend.
How difficult a web site is to
On Tuesday, March 15, 2016 at 7:21:02 AM UTC-5, Chris Angelico wrote:
> I'm sure implementing Python is a lot more fun than reimplementing
> Windows APIs!
There's not much on this earth, that is worse than Windows APIs.
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Luke Charlton wrote:
> Okay, So basically I created a python script around 1 year ago to grab an
> explain_plan from a Greenplum system (Normal SQL) and change it around and
> explain each step/section, the thing is, I've came back to the python code
> and I don't understand anything of what it's
Rustom Mody wrote:
> On Tuesday, March 15, 2016 at 2:00:25 PM UTC+5:30, Peter Otten wrote:
>> Rustom Mody wrote:
>>
>> > Others have answered some parts
>> if x in x_list:
>> > ... print("That is a fruit.")
>> > ... else:
>> > ... print("That is not a fruit.")
>> > ...
>> >
>> > How
On Tuesday, March 15, 2016 at 5:48:15 AM UTC-5, Arshpreet Singh wrote:
> def inbox_week():
> import imaplib
> EMAIL = 'myusern...@gmail.com'
I admit that this is pedantic, but you should really use
ADDRESS instead of EMAIL. ADDRESS more correctly complements
PASSWORD. But in any event, yo
On Tue, Mar 1, 2016 at 2:41 AM, Martin A. Brown wrote:
> Please read below. I will take a stab at explaining the gaps of
> understanding you seem to have (others have tried already, but I'll
> try, as well).
>
> I am going to give you four different functions which demonstrate
> how to use excep
On 15/03/2016 11:52, BartC wrote:
On 15/03/2016 01:55, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
switch obj:
case "Hello", None: ...
case [1, 2, 3]: ...
case 23.01, 15+2j, Fraction(10, 11): ...
case 100**100, {}: ...
and more. This is not negotiable: having a switch statement limited to
sma
On 2016-03-14, Seymore4Head wrote:
> Wells Fargo online will not allow you to change a payee's address. You
> have to delete the account and re enter it.
Wells Fargo is a pretty large company with a lot of money to spend.
How difficult a web site is to use is proportional to the size of
organiz
On 2016-03-15, Marko Rauhamaa wrote:
> Jon Ribbens :
>> On 2016-03-15, Marko Rauhamaa wrote:
>>> I think it points to a big practical problem in the whole exception
>>> paradigm.
>>
>> Well, no. That one individual language screwed up its implementation
>> of exceptions does not mean the whole co
Jon Ribbens :
> On 2016-03-15, Marko Rauhamaa wrote:
>> Having to specify the possible exceptions in Java is very painful and
>> has complicated the introduction of closures to Java quite a bit.
>
> It is one of the extremely serious design errors in Java, I think.
>
>> I think it points to a big
On 2016-03-15, Marko Rauhamaa wrote:
> Jon Ribbens :
>> I'd just do something like:
>>
>> try:
>> fileobj.seek(where-i-want-to-seek-to)
>> except (AttributeError, EnvironmentError):
>> # file is not seekable
>
> Unlike Java, Python does not declare syntactically which exceptions th
On Tue, Mar 15, 2016 at 11:02 PM, BartC wrote:
> Anyway, what I'm saying is, trying to implement a language is also a good
> way of learning it, especially of finding out how it works.
Same goes for a lot of things. Want to know how Windows ticks? Try
reimplementing it - or read the comments left
On 15/03/2016 09:20, alister wrote:
Why would i do somthing so pointless?
Name references are pointless? OK, you're the expert ...
how does this grab you (it often catches newbies out)
def test(x):
a.append('oops')
a=['a list']
test(a)
print (a)
Not any more.
I sugest you may
On 15/03/2016 01:55, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
On Tue, 15 Mar 2016 04:53 am, BartC wrote:
I get it. The author doesn't like switch statements!
I don't think you do -- there's no "the author". It's a wiki. There's
potentially *thousands* of "authors". The page you (might have) read is a
discuss
Okay, So basically I created a python script around 1 year ago to grab an
explain_plan from a Greenplum system (Normal SQL) and change it around and
explain each step/section, the thing is, I've came back to the python code and
I don't understand anything of what it's doing (the code specificall
Jon Ribbens :
> I'd just do something like:
>
> try:
> fileobj.seek(where-i-want-to-seek-to)
> except (AttributeError, EnvironmentError):
> # file is not seekable
Unlike Java, Python does not declare syntactically which exceptions the
caller should expect. Unfortunately, the libra
On Tuesday, March 15, 2016 at 2:00:25 PM UTC+5:30, Peter Otten wrote:
> Rustom Mody wrote:
>
> > Others have answered some parts
> if x in x_list:
> > ... print("That is a fruit.")
> > ... else:
> > ... print("That is not a fruit.")
> > ...
> >
> > However one can distribute the prin
On 14 March 2016 at 23:59, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
> On Tue, 15 Mar 2016 02:06 am, Oscar Benjamin wrote:
>
>> On 14 March 2016 at 14:35, Rick Johnson
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> I would strongly warn anyone against using the zip function
>>> unless
>> ...
>>> I meant to say: absolutely, one hundred percent
On 2016-03-15, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
> Suppose somebody passes me an open file handle. What's the right way to tell
> if it is seekable in Python 2?
>
> I see that stdin has a seek and tell method, but they raise:
>
> py> sys.stdin.tell()
> Traceback (most recent call last):
> File "", line 1,
Hi, I am using imaplib to fetch Gmail's Inbox Archived message but results are
not that much accurate. Here is code+logic:
def inbox_week():
import imaplib
EMAIL = 'myusern...@gmail.com'
PASSWORD = 'mypassword'
mail = imaplib.IMAP4_SSL('imap.gmail.com')
mail.login( EMAIL, PA
Suppose somebody passes me an open file handle. What's the right way to tell
if it is seekable in Python 2?
I see that stdin has a seek and tell method, but they raise:
py> sys.stdin.tell()
Traceback (most recent call last):
File "", line 1, in
IOError: [Errno 29] Illegal seek
Are seek and te
BartC :
> But how do you pass something that refers to a itself?
>
> There are good reasons for wanting to do so. Try writing this function
> in Python:
>
> def swap(a,b):
> b,a = a,b
Have you tried writing same function in Java? Java is a hugely
successful, highly performant programming lang
On Mon, 14 Mar 2016 20:31:06 +, BartC wrote:
> On 14/03/2016 19:45, alister wrote:
>> On Mon, 14 Mar 2016 14:43:22 +, BartC wrote:
>>
>>> On 13/03/2016 09:39, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
On Sun, 13 Mar 2016 04:54 am, BartC wrote:
>>>
> Common sense tells you it is unlikely.
P
Steven D'Aprano writes:
> On Tuesday 15 March 2016 16:26, Jussi Piitulainen wrote:
>
>> Steven D'Aprano writes:
>>
>>> Unfortunate or not, it seems to be quite common that "zip"
>>> (convolution) discards items when sequences are of different lengths.
>>
>> Citation needed. Where is zip called c
On Tue, Mar 15, 2016 at 7:39 PM, Steven D'Aprano
wrote:
>> Why should zip be called convolution?
>
> Why should anything be called anything?
>
> Don't worry, I'm not suggesting that the zip function be renamed.
>
It's like referring to the 'and' and 'or' operators as conjunctions
and disjunctions
On Tuesday 15 March 2016 16:26, Jussi Piitulainen wrote:
> Steven D'Aprano writes:
>
>> Unfortunate or not, it seems to be quite common that "zip"
>> (convolution) discards items when sequences are of different lengths.
>
> Citation needed. Where is zip called convolution?
Wikipedia :-)
Unfort
Rustom Mody wrote:
> Others have answered some parts
if x in x_list:
> ... print("That is a fruit.")
> ... else:
> ... print("That is not a fruit.")
> ...
>
> However one can distribute the print out of the if; Thus
>
"This is %s a fruit" % ("" if x in x_list else "not")
Which
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