On 9 Sep 2015 07:11, "Ben Finney" wrote:
>
> Terry Reedy writes:
>
> > On 9/8/2015 6:19 PM, Cody Piersall wrote:
> > > On Sat, Sep 5, 2015 at 3:14 AM, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn
> > > mailto:pointede...@web.de>> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Cody Piersall wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Please respond to th
Terry Reedy writes:
> On 9/8/2015 6:19 PM, Cody Piersall wrote:
> > On Sat, Sep 5, 2015 at 3:14 AM, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn
> > mailto:pointede...@web.de>> wrote:
> > >
> > > Cody Piersall wrote:
> > >
> > > > Please respond to the list as well as the person you're
> > > > actually talking
On 9/8/2015 6:19 PM, Cody Piersall wrote:
On Sat, Sep 5, 2015 at 3:14 AM, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn
mailto:pointede...@web.de>> wrote:
>
> Cody Piersall wrote:
>
> > Please respond to the list as well as the person you're actually
talking
> > to. It works out better for everyone that way.
Mario Figueiredo writes:
> On 09-09-2015 02:26, Ben Finney wrote:
> > Mario Figueiredo writes:
> >
> >> You know, it is a pointless exercise to try and downplay
> >> programming languages (any programming language) that has proven
> >> its worth by being generally adopted by the programming comm
On Tue, Sep 8, 2015 at 9:27 PM, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
> Using if...then statement is too heavyweight, and cannot be used in an
> expression. Using "flag and true_value or false_value" is buggy -- it fails
> if true_value is itself false. Refactoring it to a function uses eager
> rather than lazy
On Tue, 8 Sep 2015 06:59 pm, Antoon Pardon wrote:
> Op 04-09-15 om 02:47 schreef Mark Lawrence:
>> On 04/09/2015 01:06, Michael Torrie wrote:
>>> On 09/03/2015 01:05 PM, t...@freenet.de wrote:
>>>
[The same e.g. with switch statement: add it]
>>>
>>> Switch is a nice-to-have thing, but defini
On Wed, 9 Sep 2015 09:55 am, Michael Torrie wrote:
> On 09/08/2015 09:56 AM, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
>> http://exple.tive.org/blarg/2013/10/22/citation-needed/
>>
>> It's a wonderful read.
>
> I read this article, but I'm still uncertain to what his point actually
> is. It's a great review of th
On Wed, Sep 9, 2015 at 12:43 PM, Mario Figueiredo wrote:
> I can't stand Java. I just don't think calling it a mistake. It's worth has
> been proven by its level of adoption and by the usable software that has
> been made with it. Javascript/ECMAScript is criticized by so many and yet
> there's no
On 09-09-2015 02:26, Ben Finney wrote:
Mario Figueiredo writes:
Note:
You know, it is a pointless exercise to try and downplay programming
languages (any programming language) that has proven its worth by
being generally adopted by the programming community. Adoption is the
sign of a respected
On Wed, Sep 9, 2015 at 11:26 AM, Ben Finney wrote:
> On the other hand, I think there is merit in an argument that runs the
> other way: the quality of languages that a community adopts are
> predictive of the quality of programs that community will produce.
Broadly, yes. But regardless of its fl
Mario Figueiredo writes:
> Note:
> You know, it is a pointless exercise to try and downplay programming
> languages (any programming language) that has proven its worth by
> being generally adopted by the programming community. Adoption is the
> sign of a respected and well designed language.
I
On 09-09-2015 01:25, Vladimir Ignatov wrote:
It's different from the rest 99.9% of languages for no particular reason.
( => perfect example of "design smell" => not a good example to follow)
Assuming that some programming language makes design choices "for no
apparent reason" is your first hi
MRAB writes:
> If you're allowed to specify both bounds, why would you be forbidden
> from negative ones?
It makes it non-obvious what value should be returned from e.g. search
methods that return a negative number on failure. .NET's IndexOf
function returns -1, but MaxValue if the array has a ne
On 09/08/2015 09:56 AM, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
> http://exple.tive.org/blarg/2013/10/22/citation-needed/
>
> It's a wonderful read.
I read this article, but I'm still uncertain to what his point actually
is. It's a great review of the history of C, some batch computing, and
IBM's CEO's penchant
On 09/09/2015 00:20, MRAB wrote:
On 2015-09-08 23:41, Mark Lawrence wrote:
On 08/09/2015 18:41, MRAB wrote:
On 2015-09-08 15:31, Ian Kelly wrote:
On Tue, Sep 8, 2015 at 5:55 AM, Vladimir Ignatov
wrote:
I had some experience programming in Lua and I'd say - that language
is bad example to fol
On 2015-09-08 23:41, Mark Lawrence wrote:
On 08/09/2015 18:41, MRAB wrote:
On 2015-09-08 15:31, Ian Kelly wrote:
On Tue, Sep 8, 2015 at 5:55 AM, Vladimir Ignatov
wrote:
I had some experience programming in Lua and I'd say - that language
is bad example to follow.
Indexes start with 1 (I am n
On 08/09/2015 18:41, MRAB wrote:
On 2015-09-08 15:31, Ian Kelly wrote:
On Tue, Sep 8, 2015 at 5:55 AM, Vladimir Ignatov
wrote:
I had some experience programming in Lua and I'd say - that language
is bad example to follow.
Indexes start with 1 (I am not kidding)
What is so bad about that?
On 08/09/2015 20:14, Laszlo Lebrun via Python-list wrote:
Dear group,
I do use Windows 7 and have a user name with diacritics.
Whenever I am querying an extension with pip, it will fail since it does
not pass on the user folder correctly.
I thought PIP deals well with unicode, doesn't it?
Has
On Sat, Sep 5, 2015 at 3:14 AM, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <
pointede...@web.de> wrote:
>
> Cody Piersall wrote:
>
> > Please respond to the list as well as the person you're actually talking
> > to. It works out better for everyone that way. (You should just have
to
> > "reply all" instead of "r
> To: python-list@python.org
> From: tjre...@udel.edu
> Subject: Re: Python CI and CD support available on Semaphore (feedback
> appreciated)
> Date: Tue, 8 Sep 2015 14:46:28 -0400
>
> On 9/8/2015 6:27 AM, Filip Komnenović wrote:
>
> > We have recently launched Python support on our continuous
Dear group,
I do use Windows 7 and have a user name with diacritics.
Whenever I am querying an extension with pip, it will fail since it does
not pass on the user folder correctly.
I thought PIP deals well with unicode, doesn't it?
Has anyone a clue how to fix it?
Thank you
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On 9/8/2015 6:27 AM, Filip Komnenović wrote:
We have recently launched Python support on our continuous integration and
deployment service and are looking for communities feedback. If you're up for
it, please give a test drive to our service with your Python projects and give
us your thoughts
On 8-9-2015 17:54, wxjmfa...@gmail.com wrote:
> win7 / py433
>
> How to downgrade from the latest pip (7.1.2) to
> the previous one?
> I'm sorry, I do not remember the numerous msgs
> I saw when updating. (Yesterday)
>
> (I'm serious)
>
> Now, what?
>
I think:
$ pip install --upgrade pip==7.0
On Wed, Sep 9, 2015 at 4:09 AM, Ian Kelly wrote:
>> I would rather say, this would enhance the power and flexibility of the
>> Python language even further.
>> Especially from the scripting point of view (without harm Python hardliner)
>> And by the way, I still believe that these changes would l
On Tue, Sep 8, 2015 at 11:53 AM, wrote:
> -- Comparison with Javscript:
> Saying that Javascript and LUA does it samewise seems not correct
> from reading the thread.
> LUA is said it has it vice versa: local instead of a global
> But Javascript does have neither local nor global keyword so far I
Before reflecting latest answers
a short absolute last statement about that matter:
Differ: globals (traditional, sharing vars app wide, NOT meant)
globals (module vars outside functions, meant here at least when I
mention this term)
global (the keyword used inside f
On 2015-09-08 15:31, Ian Kelly wrote:
On Tue, Sep 8, 2015 at 5:55 AM, Vladimir Ignatov wrote:
I had some experience programming in Lua and I'd say - that language
is bad example to follow.
Indexes start with 1 (I am not kidding)
What is so bad about that?
It's different from the rest 99.9%
In a message of Tue, 08 Sep 2015 23:57:41 +1000, Chris Angelico writes:
>On Tue, Sep 8, 2015 at 9:37 PM, wrote:
>> Some where i am missing simple logic :)
>>
>> =
>> child = pexpect.spawn('ssh hari@hostname')
>> child.logfile = sys.stdout
>> child.expect('hari\'s Password: ')
>> =
>>
On Tue, Sep 8, 2015, at 10:31, Ian Kelly wrote:
> I believe this wart is fixed in VB .NET.
This is apparently true, but the weird thing is it was done late enough
in the design cycle that the .NET runtime still has features meant to
support it. You can create such an array with the Array.CreateIns
On Wed, 9 Sep 2015 12:31 am, Ian Kelly wrote:
> On Tue, Sep 8, 2015 at 5:55 AM, Vladimir Ignatov
> wrote:
I had some experience programming in Lua and I'd say - that language
is bad example to follow.
Indexes start with 1 (I am not kidding)
>>>
>>> What is so bad about that?
>>
>>
On 09/08/2015 03:57 PM, Chris Angelico wrote:
On Tue, Sep 8, 2015 at 9:37 PM, wrote:
Some where i am missing simple logic :)
=
child = pexpect.spawn('ssh hari@hostname')
child.logfile = sys.stdout
child.expect('hari\'s Password: ')
=
getting error as follows:
child.e
On 08/09/2015 02:35, Larry Hastings wrote:
>
>
> On behalf of the Python development community and the Python 3.5 release
> team, I'm relieved to announce the availability of Python 3.5.0rc3, also
> known as Python 3.5.0 Release Candidate 3.
>
> The next release of Python 3.5 will be Python 3.5.
On Tue, Sep 8, 2015 at 5:55 AM, Vladimir Ignatov wrote:
>>> I had some experience programming in Lua and I'd say - that language
>>> is bad example to follow.
>>> Indexes start with 1 (I am not kidding)
>>
>> What is so bad about that?
>
> It's different from the rest 99.9% of languages for no pa
On Tue, Sep 8, 2015 at 8:01 AM, Dave Farrance wrote:
> "ast" wrote:
>
>>DISPLAYSURF = pygame.display.set_mode((400, 300))
>>pygame.display.set_caption('Hello World!')
>>
>>The first line opens a 400x300 pygame window.
>>The second one writes "Hello World" on top of it.
>>
>>I am just wondering ho
"ast" wrote:
>DISPLAYSURF = pygame.display.set_mode((400, 300))
>pygame.display.set_caption('Hello World!')
>
>The first line opens a 400x300 pygame window.
>The second one writes "Hello World" on top of it.
>
>I am just wondering how function set_caption finds the windows
>since the window's nam
On Tue, Sep 8, 2015 at 9:37 PM, wrote:
> Some where i am missing simple logic :)
>
> =
> child = pexpect.spawn('ssh hari@hostname')
> child.logfile = sys.stdout
> child.expect('hari\'s Password: ')
> =
>
> getting error as follows:
>
> child.expect('hari\'s Password: ')
>
On 08-09-2015 12:55, Vladimir Ignatov wrote:
I had some experience programming in Lua and I'd say - that language
is bad example to follow.
Indexes start with 1 (I am not kidding)
What is so bad about that?
It's different from the rest 99.9% of languages for no particular reason.
( => perfe
Vladimir Ignatov writes:
>>> I had some experience programming in Lua and I'd say - that language
>>> is bad example to follow.
>>> Indexes start with 1 (I am not kidding)
>>
>> What is so bad about that?
>
> It's different from the rest 99.9% of languages for no particular reason.
>
> ( => perf
In a message of Tue, 08 Sep 2015 04:37:09 -0700, harirammanohar...@gmail.com wr
ites:
>Some where i am missing simple logic :)
>
>=
>child = pexpect.spawn('ssh hari@hostname')
>child.logfile = sys.stdout
>child.expect('hari\'s Password: ')
>=
>
>getting error as follows:
>
>
In a message of Tue, 08 Sep 2015 18:56:15 +0800, Dwight GoldWinde writes:
>import nltk
>nltk.download('maxent_treebank_pos_tagger¹)
>
>Is now giving the error:
>
>[nltk_data] Error loading maxent_treebank_pos_tagger: [nltk_data] [Errno 57] Socket is not connected>
>
>
>Any suggestions, please.
>> I had some experience programming in Lua and I'd say - that language
>> is bad example to follow.
>> Indexes start with 1 (I am not kidding)
>
> What is so bad about that?
It's different from the rest 99.9% of languages for no particular reason.
( => perfect example of "design smell" => not a
Some where i am missing simple logic :)
=
child = pexpect.spawn('ssh hari@hostname')
child.logfile = sys.stdout
child.expect('hari\'s Password: ')
=
getting error as follows:
child.expect('hari\'s Password: ')
TypeError: must be str, not bytes
===
Thanks...
--
h
On 06.09.2015 22:06, Ned Batchelder wrote:
As a developer of a Python package, I don't see how this would be better.
The developer would still have to get their software into some kind of
uniform configuration, so the central authority could package it. You've
moved the problem from, "everyone h
import nltk
nltk.download('maxent_treebank_pos_tagger¹)
Is now giving the error:
[nltk_data] Error loading maxent_treebank_pos_tagger:
Any suggestions, please.
BIG SMILE...
Always, Dwight
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loial writes:
> I need to execute an external shell script via subprocess on Linux.
>
> One of the parameters needs to be passed inside double quotes
>
> But the double quotes do not appear to be passed to the script
>
> I am using :
>
> myscript = '/home/john/myscript'
> commandline = myscript
Yep, that did the trick...cheers
On Tuesday, September 8, 2015 at 12:04:05 PM UTC+1, loial wrote:
> I need to execute an external shell script via subprocess on Linux.
>
> One of the parameters needs to be passed inside double quotes
>
> But the double quotes do not appear to be passed to the s
On Tue, Sep 8, 2015 at 9:03 PM, loial wrote:
> I need to execute an external shell script via subprocess on Linux.
>
> One of the parameters needs to be passed inside double quotes
>
> But the double quotes do not appear to be passed to the script
>
> I am using :
>
> myscript = '/home/john/myscri
On Tue, Sep 8, 2015 at 7:03 AM, loial wrote:
> I need to execute an external shell script via subprocess on Linux.
>
> One of the parameters needs to be passed inside double quotes
>
> But the double quotes do not appear to be passed to the script
>
> I am using :
>
> myscript = '/home/john/myscri
I need to execute an external shell script via subprocess on Linux.
One of the parameters needs to be passed inside double quotes
But the double quotes do not appear to be passed to the script
I am using :
myscript = '/home/john/myscript'
commandline = myscript + ' ' + '\"Hello\"'
process = s
On 08/09/2015 11:14, Laura Creighton wrote:
Try the pygame mailing list for that one.
http://www.pygame.org/wiki/info?action=view&id=4890
Laura
Or https://www.reddit.com/r/pygame
--
My fellow Pythonistas, ask not what our language can do for you, ask
what you can do for our language.
Mark L
HI folks,
We have recently launched Python support on our continuous integration and
deployment service and are looking for communities feedback. If you're up for
it, please give a test drive to our service with your Python projects and give
us your thoughts on what we could further improve up
Try the pygame mailing list for that one.
http://www.pygame.org/wiki/info?action=view&id=4890
Laura
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In a message of Tue, 08 Sep 2015 10:59:01 +0200, Antoon Pardon writes:
>Were those polls, like the poll he once did for the condtional expression?
>There the poll indicated no specific proposal had a majority, so for each
>specific proposal one could say it didn't have popular support, but the
>maj
Op 08-09-15 om 11:22 schreef Mark Lawrence:
> On 08/09/2015 09:59, Antoon Pardon wrote:
>
>> There the poll indicated no specific proposal had a majority, so for
>> each
>> specific proposal one could say it didn't have popular support, but the
>> majority still prefered to have a conditional expre
Hi
DISPLAYSURF = pygame.display.set_mode((400, 300))
pygame.display.set_caption('Hello World!')
The first line opens a 400x300 pygame window.
The second one writes "Hello World" on top of it.
I am just wondering how function set_caption finds the windows
since the window's name DISPLAYSURF i
In a message of Tue, 08 Sep 2015 10:00:26 +0800, "chenc...@inhand.com.cn" write
s:
>
>hi:
>I download the python2.7.10 package and execute cmd: ./configure
>--help.It is messages as follow:
>
>Optional Packages:
>--with-PACKAGE[=ARG]use PACKAGE [ARG=yes]
>--without-PACKAGE do
On 08/09/2015 09:59, Antoon Pardon wrote:
Op 04-09-15 om 02:47 schreef Mark Lawrence:
On 04/09/2015 01:06, Michael Torrie wrote:
On 09/03/2015 01:05 PM, t...@freenet.de wrote:
[The same e.g. with switch statement: add it]
Switch is a nice-to-have thing, but definitely not essential. A PEP h
Op 04-09-15 om 04:33 schreef Steven D'Aprano:
> On Fri, 4 Sep 2015 05:05 am, t...@freenet.de wrote:
>
>> Would you remove this keyword if it would be technically possible
> Absolutely not.
>
> I do not believe that it is technically possible, but even if it were, I
> would still argue that the Zen
Op 04-09-15 om 02:47 schreef Mark Lawrence:
> On 04/09/2015 01:06, Michael Torrie wrote:
>> On 09/03/2015 01:05 PM, t...@freenet.de wrote:
>>
>>> [The same e.g. with switch statement: add it]
>>
>> Switch is a nice-to-have thing, but definitely not essential. A PEP here
>> (probably already has bee
Op 05-09-15 om 02:05 schreef Vladimir Ignatov:
>> To me, marking a variable as global in a large number of functions is
>> a code smell that indicates that you're probably overusing globals.
>> Lua is an example of a language that takes the opposite approach: in
>> Lua, every variable is global unl
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