Re: PyWart: Python modules are not so "modular" after all!

On Sun, 10 Nov 2013 20:13:45 -0800, Rick Johnson wrote: > What good is ANY namespace when you cannot override it's fundamental > interface? And interfaces are the key to OOP! > > Is __setattr__/__getattr__ ringing a bell people? import sys sys.modules["mymodule"] = any_object_you_like()

Re: The narcissism of small code differences

On Saturday, November 9, 2013 6:42:04 AM UTC-6, Steven D'Aprano wrote: > Uses an example written in Ruby, but don't > let that put you off: Why would it? I write Ruby code all the time. Ruby code in and of itself does not bother me, what bothers me about Ruby is the ease at which a programmer can

Re: New user's initial thoughts / criticisms of Python

On Saturday, November 9, 2013 10:30:26 AM UTC-6, rusi wrote: > [...] > Well > > print ( {"mon":"mondays suck", > "tue":"at least it's not monday", > "wed":"humpday" > }.get(day_of_week,"its some other day") > ) > may be dense > Separate into named dictionary and its

PyWart: Python modules are not so "modular" after all!

The Pros of Python Modules: Python modules require no special syntax to create, nor do they induce extra indentation in your source code to maintain readability. Simply

PyWart: Packages (oh how thou art lacking!)

The Pros of Python Packages: Python packages require no special syntax to declare which modules are members of the package. Instead, Python simply allows the programmer

Re: Help - Exercise Decision

On 11/11/2013 02:26, Gary Herron wrote: On 11/10/2013 04:48 PM, Kennedy Salvino wrote: Em domingo, 10 de novembro de 2013 21h34min39s UTC-3, Gary Herron escreveu: On 11/10/2013 02:56 PM, kennedysalvino...@gmail.com wrote: I'm trying to make a ranking of 3 numbers and say which the greatest an

Re: Help - Exercise Decision

On 11/10/2013 04:48 PM, Kennedy Salvino wrote: Em domingo, 10 de novembro de 2013 21h34min39s UTC-3, Gary Herron escreveu: On 11/10/2013 02:56 PM, kennedysalvino...@gmail.com wrote: I'm trying to make a ranking of 3 numbers and say which the greatest and consider whether there is a tie betwe

Re: Code with random module faster on the vm than the vm host...

On 11/11/2013 11:19 AM, Robert Kern wrote: On 2013-11-11 00:49, alex23 wrote: The random module uses os.urandom, No, it doesn't. random.random() is an alias to the random() method on the random.Random class, which uses the Mersenne Twister to generate values. os.urandom() gets called in the in

Re: [Python-Dev] [RELEASE] Python 2.7.6

2013/11/10 Victor Stinner : > 2013/11/10 Benjamin Peterson : >> All the changes in Python 2.7.6 are described in full detail in the Misc/NEWS >> file of the source tarball. You can also view online at >> >> http://hg.python.org/cpython/raw-file/99d03261c1ba/Misc/NEWS > > - Issue #18747: Re-seed

Re: [Python-Dev] [RELEASE] Python 2.7.6

2013/11/10 Benjamin Peterson : > All the changes in Python 2.7.6 are described in full detail in the Misc/NEWS > file of the source tarball. You can also view online at > > http://hg.python.org/cpython/raw-file/99d03261c1ba/Misc/NEWS - Issue #18747: Re-seed OpenSSL's pseudo-random number gener

Re: Code with random module faster on the vm than the vm host...

On 11/11/2013 01:15, Ned Batchelder wrote: On Friday, November 8, 2013 12:48:04 PM UTC-5, Pascal Bit wrote: Here's the code: from random import random from time import clock s = clock() for i in (1, 2, 3, 6, 8): M = 0 N = 10**i for n in xrange(N): r = random()

Re: Code with random module faster on the vm than the vm host...

On Friday, November 8, 2013 12:48:04 PM UTC-5, Pascal Bit wrote: > Here's the code: > > from random import random > from time import clock > > s = clock() > > for i in (1, 2, 3, 6, 8): > M = 0 > N = 10**i > > for n in xrange(N): > r = random() > if 0.5 < r < 0.6

Re: Code with random module faster on the vm than the vm host...

On 2013-11-11 00:49, alex23 wrote: On 9/11/2013 3:48 AM, Pascal Bit wrote: from random import random > [...] Running on win7 python 2.7 32 bit it uses around 30 seconds avg. Running on xubuntu, 32 bit, on vmware on windows 7: 20 seconds! The code runs faster on vm, than the computer itself..

Re: Code with random module faster on the vm than the vm host...

On 9/11/2013 3:48 AM, Pascal Bit wrote: from random import random > [...] Running on win7 python 2.7 32 bit it uses around 30 seconds avg. Running on xubuntu, 32 bit, on vmware on windows 7: 20 seconds! The code runs faster on vm, than the computer itself... The python version in this case is

Re: Help - Exercise Decision

Em domingo, 10 de novembro de 2013 21h34min39s UTC-3, Gary Herron escreveu: > On 11/10/2013 02:56 PM, kennedysalvino...@gmail.com wrote: > > > I'm trying to make a ranking of 3 numbers and say which the greatest and > > consider whether there is a tie between them, I am not able to make the > >

Re: Help - Exercise Decision

On 11/10/2013 02:56 PM, kennedysalvino...@gmail.com wrote: I'm trying to make a ranking of 3 numbers and say which the greatest and consider whether there is a tie between them, I am not able to make the conditions of draws. Code in PT-BR: http://pastebin.com/18pYJjPC Please post the code di

Re: python operational semantics paper

Paul Rubin wrote: http://cs.brown.edu/~sk/Publications/Papers/Published/pmmwplck-python-full-monty/ Abstract We present a small-step operational semantics for the Python programming language. I noticed one thing they seem to have missed. They assume that a + b is equivalent to a.__a

Re: New user's initial thoughts / criticisms of Python

On 11/10/2013 6:29 PM, Chris Angelico wrote: On Mon, Nov 11, 2013 at 4:12 AM, Dennis Lee Bieber wrote: -123 .bit_length() -7 No parens needed if a space precedes the . Heh! I would call that an inferior alternative to the parentheses though; it's so unusual to put a space before th

Re: my favorite line of py code so far

Chris said : "Absolutely! The unfortunate truth, though, is that idioms that resonate with you _and nobody else_ are just as big a problem as bugs, because they're unmaintainable. So hopefully what you're doing will make sense to other people too! " There is some truth in what you say ... but in

Re: To whoever hacked into my Database

On Mon, Nov 11, 2013 at 7:41 AM, Chris “Kwpolska” Warrick wrote: > On Nov 10, 2013 9:01 PM, "Rod Person" wrote: >> Tortoise? What's a tortoise? > Is that a real question? If yes, then it's an animal, similar to a turtle. > Ask Google or Wikipedia for more details. The Master was an old Turtle. W

Re: New user's initial thoughts / criticisms of Python

On Mon, Nov 11, 2013 at 4:12 AM, Dennis Lee Bieber wrote: -123 .bit_length() > -7 > > No parens needed if a space precedes the . Heh! I would call that an inferior alternative to the parentheses though; it's so unusual to put a space before the dot that I wouldn't consider it somethi

Help - Exercise Decision

I'm trying to make a ranking of 3 numbers and say which the greatest and consider whether there is a tie between them, I am not able to make the conditions of draws. Code in PT-BR: http://pastebin.com/18pYJjPC -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: To whoever hacked into my Database

On Sun, 10 Nov 2013 21:41:54 +0100 Chris “Kwpolska” Warrick wrote: > On Nov 10, 2013 9:01 PM, "Rod Person" wrote: > > Tortoise? What's a tortoise? > Is that a real question? If yes, then it's an animal, similar to a > turtle. Ask Google or Wikipedia for more details. http://youtu.be/Umc9ezAyJv0

Re: To whoever hacked into my Database

On Sun, 10 Nov 2013 21:41:54 +0100 Chris “Kwpolska” Warrick wrote: > On Nov 10, 2013 9:01 PM, "Rod Person" wrote: > > Tortoise? What's a tortoise? > Is that a real question? If yes, then it's an animal, similar to a > turtle. Ask Google or Wikipedia for more details. Check the movie Blade Runne

Re: To whoever hacked into my Database

On Nov 10, 2013 9:01 PM, "Rod Person" wrote: > Tortoise? What's a tortoise? Is that a real question? If yes, then it's an animal, similar to a turtle. Ask Google or Wikipedia for more details. -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: To whoever hacked into my Database

Op 10-11-13 17:15, Ned Batchelder schreef: > On Sunday, November 10, 2013 10:28:46 AM UTC-5, Antoon Pardon wrote: >> Op 10-11-13 16:01, Νίκος Αλεξόπουλος schreef: >>> Στις 10/11/2013 3:49 μμ, ο/η Antoon Pardon έγραψε: Op 10-11-13 11:32, Νίκος Αλεξόπουλος schreef: > Ha, ha ha! > I'm saf

Re: To whoever hacked into my Database

On Sun, 10 Nov 2013 20:32:11 +0100 Petite Abeille wrote: > > On Nov 10, 2013, at 8:21 PM, Νίκος Αλεξόπουλος > wrote: > > > Perhaps > > You're in a desert, walking along in the sand, when all of a sudden > you look down and see a tortoise. It's crawling toward you. You reach > down and you flip

Re: To whoever hacked into my Database

On Nov 10, 2013, at 8:21 PM, Νίκος Αλεξόπουλος wrote: > Perhaps You're in a desert, walking along in the sand, when all of a sudden you look down and see a tortoise. It's crawling toward you. You reach down and you flip the tortoise over on its back. The tortoise lays on its back, its belly b

[RELEASE] Python 2.7.6

Python 2.7.6 is now available. This release resolves crashes of the interactive interpreter on OS X 10.9. The final release also fixes several issues identified in the release candidate. Importantly, a security bug in CGIHTTPServer was fixed [1]. Thank you to those who tested the 2.7.6 release can

Re: To whoever hacked into my Database

Στις 10/11/2013 9:16 μμ, ο/η Petite Abeille έγραψε: On Nov 10, 2013, at 7:46 PM, Νίκος Αλεξόπουλος wrote: You are a moron Rumor has it you are the head of ELSTAT, the Hellenic Statistical Authority. Any truth to that? Perhaps i'm working for NSA too and i was assigned to keep an eye on

Re: To whoever hacked into my Database

On Nov 10, 2013, at 7:46 PM, Νίκος Αλεξόπουλος wrote: > You are a moron Rumor has it you are the head of ELSTAT, the Hellenic Statistical Authority. Any truth to that? -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: To whoever hacked into my Database

Στις 10/11/2013 7:57 μμ, ο/η Petite Abeille έγραψε: On Nov 10, 2013, at 4:28 PM, Antoon Pardon wrote: You are a perfect example of the arrogance of the ignorant. Finally! The Dunning–Kruger effect proven beyond a doubt. You are a moron, no doubt! Freddy Kruger Effect! -- https://mail.p

Re: To whoever hacked into my Database

On Nov 10, 2013, at 4:28 PM, Antoon Pardon wrote: > You are a perfect example of the arrogance of the ignorant. Finally! The Dunning–Kruger effect proven beyond a doubt. -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: To whoever hacked into my Database

Στις 10/11/2013 5:28 μμ, ο/η Antoon Pardon έγραψε: Op 10-11-13 16:01, Νίκος Αλεξόπουλος schreef: Στις 10/11/2013 3:49 μμ, ο/η Antoon Pardon έγραψε: Op 10-11-13 11:32, Νίκος Αλεξόπουλος schreef: Ha, ha ha! I'm safe now!! No breaks in this time! You just can't help yourself, can you? I predic

Re: Py 3.3.2, MacBookPro, segmentation fault, GCC issue?

John Ladasky wrote: > I am trying to help a student of mine install Python 3 on his MacBook Pro. > Follow-up questions: if I need a more current GCC for my student's Mac, > how do I obtain it? And are there any backwards-compatibility issues I > might need to worry about if I do upgrade? From m

Re: To whoever hacked into my Database

On Sunday, November 10, 2013 10:28:46 AM UTC-5, Antoon Pardon wrote: > Op 10-11-13 16:01, Νίκος Αλεξόπουλος schreef: > > Στις 10/11/2013 3:49 μμ, ο/η Antoon Pardon έγραψε: > >> Op 10-11-13 11:32, Νίκος Αλεξόπουλος schreef: > >>> Ha, ha ha! > >>> I'm safe now!! > >>> > >>> No breaks in this time! >

Re: To whoever hacked into my Database

Op 10-11-13 16:01, Νίκος Αλεξόπουλος schreef: > Στις 10/11/2013 3:49 μμ, ο/η Antoon Pardon έγραψε: >> Op 10-11-13 11:32, Νίκος Αλεξόπουλος schreef: >>> Ha, ha ha! >>> I'm safe now!! >>> >>> No breaks in this time! >> >> You just can't help yourself, can you? I predict your database will >> be broke

Re: To whoever hacked into my Database

On 10/11/2013 15:12, Νίκος Αλεξόπουλος wrote: Στις 10/11/2013 4:45 μμ, ο/η Mark Lawrence έγραψε: On 10/11/2013 10:32, Νίκος Αλεξόπουλος wrote: Ha, ha ha! I'm safe now!! No breaks in this time! She's just biding her time again. Or was it the little fingers of my team? Tell your female f

Re: To whoever hacked into my Database

Στις 10/11/2013 4:45 μμ, ο/η Mark Lawrence έγραψε: On 10/11/2013 10:32, Νίκος Αλεξόπουλος wrote: Ha, ha ha! I'm safe now!! No breaks in this time! She's just biding her time again. Or was it the little fingers of my team? Tell your female friend to polish her nails or do her hair instea

Re: To whoever hacked into my Database

On 10/11/2013 15:01, Νίκος Αλεξόπουλος wrote: Στις 10/11/2013 3:49 μμ, ο/η Antoon Pardon έγραψε: Op 10-11-13 11:32, Νίκος Αλεξόπουλος schreef: Στις 10/11/2013 12:20 πμ, ο/η Chris Angelico έγραψε: There are two major problems with what you did here, Nikos, and they are: 1) Starting with a ho

Re: To whoever hacked into my Database

Στις 10/11/2013 3:49 μμ, ο/η Antoon Pardon έγραψε: Op 10-11-13 11:32, Νίκος Αλεξόπουλος schreef: Στις 10/11/2013 12:20 πμ, ο/η Chris Angelico έγραψε: There are two major problems with what you did here, Nikos, and they are: 1) Starting with a hopelessly insecure system and then trying to ban

Re: To whoever hacked into my Database

On 10/11/2013 10:32, Νίκος Αλεξόπουλος wrote: Ha, ha ha! I'm safe now!! No breaks in this time! She's just biding her time again. Or was it the little fingers of my team? Clearly you haven't the faintest idea. I've now come to the conclusion that someone is going to make a fortune from

Re: Basic Python Questions - Oct. 31, 2013

On Q4, you could try Waterloo Graphics . Its LGPLv3 and, although Java-based, runs in Python via Py4J. It has built-in mouse interactivity/GUI editors etc that will all be active when used from Python. It is Java Swing-based, so e.g. data points can be drawn as s

Re: To whoever hacked into my Database

Op 10-11-13 11:32, Νίκος Αλεξόπουλος schreef: > Στις 10/11/2013 12:20 πμ, ο/η Chris Angelico έγραψε: >> There are two major problems with >> what you did here, Nikos, and they are: >> >> 1) Starting with a hopelessly insecure system and then trying to >> band-aid patch it one vulnerability at a ti

Re: datetime question

On Sat, 09 Nov 2013 15:43:53 +0200, Νίκος Αλεξόπουλος wrote: > Στις 9/11/2013 2:45 μμ, ο/η Mark Lawrence έγραψε: >> On 08/11/2013 23:02, Νίκος Αλεξόπουλος wrote: >>> Στις 9/11/2013 12:49 πμ, ο/η Denis McMahon έγραψε: On Sat, 09 Nov 2013 00:01:37 +0200, Νίκος Αλεξόπουλος wrote: > I sa

Re: To whoever hacked into my Database

On Sun, 10 Nov 2013 01:44:17 +, ishish wrote: > Am 09.11.2013 15:07, schrieb Steven D'Aprano: > ... >> Nikos, you have annoyed and alienated enough people here... > > Sorry, I DO NOT AGREE! These threads keep my entire office entertained. > I would even go so far to suggest, that we should se

Re: pywin32 programming error on Win7 with shell.SHGetDesktopFolder, desktop.BindToObject, desktop.GetDisplayNameOf

I solved it like the following from win32com.shell import shell, shellcon import os def launch_file_explorer(path, files): ''' Given a absolute base path and names of its children (no path), open up one File Explorer window with all the child files selected ''' folder_pidl = sh

Re: pywin32 programming error on Win7 with shell.SHGetDesktopFolder, desktop.BindToObject, desktop.GetDisplayNameOf

I solved it like the following from win32com.shell import shell, shellcon import os def launch_file_explorer(path, files): ''' Given a absolute base path and names of its children (no path), open up one File Explorer window with all the child files selected ''' folder_pidl = sh

Re: New user's initial thoughts / criticisms of Python

Am 09.11.2013 14:27 schrieb Joshua Landau: `select` is quite an odd statement, in that in most cases it's just a weaker variant of `if`. By the time you're at the point where a `select` is actually more readable you're also at the point where a different control flow is probably a better idea. T

Re: New user's initial thoughts / criticisms of Python

On Sun, Nov 10, 2013 at 10:39 PM, Ian Kelly wrote: > On Sun, Nov 10, 2013 at 2:22 AM, Chris Angelico wrote: >> JavaScript has magic around the dot and function-call operators, as I >> mentioned earlier. Lots of other languages have some little quirk >> somewhere that breaks this rule; some have a

Re: New user's initial thoughts / criticisms of Python

On Sun, Nov 10, 2013 at 2:22 AM, Chris Angelico wrote: > JavaScript has magic around the dot and function-call operators, as I > mentioned earlier. Lots of other languages have some little quirk > somewhere that breaks this rule; some have a LOT of quirks that break > this rule. Does Python have a

Re: python operational semantics paper

On 11/9/2013 1:35 PM, Paul Rubin wrote: This looks kind of interesting. http://cs.brown.edu/~sk/Publications/Papers/Published/pmmwplck-python-full-monty/ Abstract We present a small-step operational semantics for the Python programming language. We present both a core language for Python, suit

Re: To whoever hacked into my Database

Στις 10/11/2013 12:20 πμ, ο/η Chris Angelico έγραψε: On Sun, Nov 10, 2013 at 2:32 AM, Antoon Pardon wrote: And i had until i made some new changes last night, which i think i have corrected now as we speak. Continuing the arrogance. Just to put that in perspective, by the way: *EVERYONE* w

Re: my favorite line of py code so far

On Sun, Nov 10, 2013 at 7:57 PM, Peter Cacioppi wrote: > Chris said : > > "I think map is fine if you can use a named function, but if you can't > come up with a descriptive name for what you're doing, a comprehension > is probably better (as it'll have the code right there). Mapping _ > across ev

Re: datetime question

On Sunday 10 November 2013 04:06:06 Chris Angelico did opine: > On Sun, Nov 10, 2013 at 11:55 AM, Gene Heskett wrote: > > On Saturday 09 November 2013 19:52:52 Chris Angelico did opine: > >> :) Don't just thank me, Grant and Roy were key to it too - and the > >> > >> whole "there's no shortage o

Re: New user's initial thoughts / criticisms of Python

On Sun, Nov 10, 2013 at 7:47 PM, Jorgen Grahn wrote: > On Sat, 2013-11-09, Chris Angelico wrote: >> On Sun, Nov 10, 2013 at 12:08 AM, John von Horn wrote: > ... >>> * Why not allow floater=float(int1/int2) - rather than floater=float >>> (int1)/float(int2)? >>> >>> Give me a float (or an error me

Re: my favorite line of py code so far

Sorry, typo, meant to say To be clear, I was never really intending to keep the _ = lambda c : lambda x : c(*x) map(_(P), zip([1,2,3], [6, 5, 4])) code snippets in my final work product. The purpose of this thread was too fish around for ideas on what to replace it with... -- https://m

Re: my favorite line of py code so far

Chris said : "I think map is fine if you can use a named function, but if you can't come up with a descriptive name for what you're doing, a comprehension is probably better (as it'll have the code right there). Mapping _ across everything tells you nothing about what it's actually doing" OK, thi

Re: Languages for different purposes (was Re: New user's initial thoughts / criticisms of Python)

On Sun, 2013-11-10, Chris Angelico wrote: > On Sun, Nov 10, 2013 at 11:41 AM, Roy Smith wrote: >> On 09/11/2013 22:58, Chris Angelico wrote: >>> > >>> > * Some languages are just fundamentally bad. I do not recommend ever >>> > writing production code in Whitespace, Ook, or Piet. >> >> One of the

Re: New user's initial thoughts / criticisms of Python

On Sat, 2013-11-09, Chris Angelico wrote: > On Sun, Nov 10, 2013 at 12:08 AM, John von Horn wrote: ... >> * Why not allow floater=float(int1/int2) - rather than floater=float >> (int1)/float(int2)? >> >> Give me a float (or an error message) from evaluating everything in the >> brackets. Don't mak

Re: datetime question

On Sun, Nov 10, 2013 at 11:55 AM, Gene Heskett wrote: > On Saturday 09 November 2013 19:52:52 Chris Angelico did opine: >> :) Don't just thank me, Grant and Roy were key to it too - and the >> whole "there's no shortage of newlines" thing started with Steven >> D'Aprano (I think), and it's a ripe

Re: chunking a long string?

On Sun, Nov 10, 2013 at 5:39 PM, Steven D'Aprano wrote: > On Sun, 10 Nov 2013 09:14:28 +1100, Chris Angelico wrote: > >> And >> as is typical of python-list, it's this extremely minor point that >> became the new course of the thread - > > You say that as if it were a bad thing :-P More a curiosi

Re: To whoever hacked into my Database

Am 09.11.2013 15:07, schrieb Steven D'Aprano: ... Nikos, you have annoyed and alienated enough people here... Sorry, I DO NOT AGREE! These threads keep my entire office entertained. I would even go so far to suggest, that we should set up an entirely new mailing list for Nikos only, maybe som

Re: datetime question

On Saturday 09 November 2013 19:52:52 Chris Angelico did opine: > On Sun, Nov 10, 2013 at 2:39 AM, Gene Heskett wrote: > > Ya know, folks like Nick would have me signing off. Fortunately there > > are kill files. But the backscatter he creates I am still forced to > > read, or more usually skip.