On 20Jul2011 19:06, rantingrick wrote:
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| RE: *Tim Chase changes topic and talks smack*
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| On Jul 20, 8:38 pm, Tim Chase wrote:
| > On 07/20/2011 08:17 PM, rantingrick wrote:
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| > > RE: *Ben Finney changes thread subject*
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| > > Please everyone, do not change the subject of someone's th
On Thu, 21 Jul 2011 12:34 pm Phlip wrote:
> On Jul 20, 6:17 pm, rantingrick wrote:
>> RE: *Ben Finney changes thread subject*
>>
>> Please everyone, do not change the subject of someone's thread because
>> it's considered rude. Thank you.
>
> No it isn't. Rambling off on a new topic under the wr
rantingrick wrote:
> What about the etiquette of staying on topic?
Such as raising your personal opinion of online etiquette in a thread
on GUI toolkits?
As always, there's what you say, and there's what you do, and never
the twain shall meet.
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rantingrick wrote:
> The old "reinvent the wheel" argument is only valid when wheels
> already exists. Currently we have triangles (or maybe pentagons) but
> no wheels.
No, currently we have a small handful of people who feel the wheels
are triangles but have done nothing more than complain about
On Jul 20, 6:17 pm, rantingrick wrote:
> RE: *Ben Finney changes thread subject*
>
> Please everyone, do not change the subject of someone's thread because
> it's considered rude. Thank you.
No it isn't. Rambling off on a new topic under the wrong subject is
rude.
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RE: *Tim Chase changes topic and talks smack*
On Jul 20, 8:38 pm, Tim Chase wrote:
> On 07/20/2011 08:17 PM, rantingrick wrote:
>
> > RE: *Ben Finney changes thread subject*
>
> > Please everyone, do not change the subject of someone's thread because
> > it's considered rude. Thank you.
>
> Righ
2011/7/20 igotmumps :
> On Jul 13, 1:04 pm, ccc31807 wrote:
>> On Jul 12, 7:54 am, Xah Lee wrote:
>>
>> > maybe this will be of interest.
>>
>> > 〈What Programing Language Are the Largest Website Written
>> > In?〉http://xahlee.org/comp/website_lang_popularity.html
>>
>> About five years ago, I d
On 07/20/2011 08:17 PM, rantingrick wrote:
RE: *Ben Finney changes thread subject*
Please everyone, do not change the subject of someone's thread because
it's considered rude. Thank you.
Right...do not change the subject because it's considered rude.
Change it because the topic drifted from
On Jul 13, 1:04 pm, ccc31807 wrote:
> On Jul 12, 7:54 am, Xah Lee wrote:
>
> > maybe this will be of interest.
>
> > 〈What Programing Language Are the Largest Website Written
> > In?〉http://xahlee.org/comp/website_lang_popularity.html
>
> About five years ago, I did some pretty extensive researc
RE: *Ben Finney changes thread subject*
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Phlip writes:
> Tkinter sucks because it looks like an enfeebled Motif 1980s dawn-of-
> GUIs scratchy window with grooves and lines everywhere.
Applications have been written that look like that, sure. Many of them
were *written* in the 1980s and 1990s, so the wonder is not how they
look but tha
On 21 Jul, 00:52, Phlip wrote:
> Oh, and you can TDD it, too...
No, I can't TDD with Tkinter. All my tests fail when there is no
OpenGL support (Togl is gone). For TDD to work, the tests must have a
chance of passing.
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On Jul 20, 3:13 pm, sturlamolden wrote:
> On 20 Jul, 22:58, Phlip wrote:
>
> > Tkinter sucks because it looks like an enfeebled Motif 1980s dawn-of-
> > GUIs scratchy window with grooves and lines everywhere.
>
> The widget set is limited compared to GTK or Qt, though it has the
> most common GU
On 20 Jul, 22:58, Phlip wrote:
> Tkinter sucks because it looks like an enfeebled Motif 1980s dawn-of-
> GUIs scratchy window with grooves and lines everywhere.
And using it with OpenGL has been impossible since Python 2.2 (or
whatever).
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Excerpts from Phlip's message of Wed Jul 20 16:58:08 -0400 2011:
> On Jul 20, 10:32am, rantingrick wrote:
>
> > Steven, you have no buisness offering advice on Tkinter since you
> > yourself have proclaimed that YOU NEVER used the module and never
> > will. Stick to what you know please.
>
> All
On 20 Jul, 22:58, Phlip wrote:
> Tkinter sucks because it looks like an enfeebled Motif 1980s dawn-of-
> GUIs scratchy window with grooves and lines everywhere.
The widget set is limited compared to GTK or Qt, though it has the
most common GUI controls, and it does not look that bad with the
rec
On Jul 20, 10:32 am, rantingrick wrote:
> Steven, you have no buisness offering advice on Tkinter since you
> yourself have proclaimed that YOU NEVER used the module and never
> will. Stick to what you know please.
Allow me.
Tkinter sucks because it looks like an enfeebled Motif 1980s dawn-of-
On Wed, Jul 20 2011, Randal L. Schwartz wrote:
>> "Uri" == Uri Guttman writes:
>
> Uri> a better parsing challenge. how can you parse usenet to keep this troll
> Uri> from posting on the wrong groups on usenet? first one to do so, wins the
> Uri> praise of his peers. 2nd one to do it makes su
On 7/20/2011 2:21 AM, Stefan Behnel wrote:
Terry Reedy, 19.07.2011 18:31:
Chapter 5 is mostly about the behavior of built-in class instances. For
some classes, like range, instances only come from class calls and the
behavior of instances is intimately tied to the constructor arguments.
Having t
Thanks, everyone. Very helpful!
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> "Uri" == Uri Guttman writes:
Uri> a better parsing challenge. how can you parse usenet to keep this troll
Uri> from posting on the wrong groups on usenet? first one to do so, wins the
Uri> praise of his peers. 2nd one to do it makes sure the filter stays in
Uri> place. all the rest will be
On Jul 20, 9:31 pm, "Uri Guttman" wrote:
> a better parsing challenge. how can you parse usenet to keep this troll
> from posting on the wrong groups on usenet? first one to do so, wins the
> praise of his peers. 2nd one to do it makes sure the filter stays in
> place. all the rest will be rewarde
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On Jul 19, 11:28 pm, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
>
> Have you tried Tkinter version 8.0 or better, which offers a native look and
> feel?
Steven, you have no buisness offering advice on Tkinter since you
yourself have proclaimed that YOU NEVER used the module and never
will. Stick to what you know ple
On Jul 19, 6:32 pm, Matty Sarro wrote:
> Hey everyone. I am currently reading through an RFC, and it mentions
> that a client and server half of a transaction are embodied by finite
> state machines. I am reading through the wikipedia article for finite
> state machines, and sadly it's going a bit
On 20 Jul, 06:28, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
> Have you tried Tkinter version 8.0 or better, which offers a native look and
> feel?
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>>>
a better parsing challenge. how can you parse usenet to keep this troll
from posting on the wrong groups on usenet? first one to do so, wins the
praise of his peers. 2nd one to do it makes sure the filter stays in
place. all the rest will be rewarded by not seeing the troll anymore.
anyone who ac
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On Jul 20, 7:39 pm, Ian Kelly wrote:
> On Wed, Jul 20, 2011 at 4:18 AM, risboo6909 wrote:
> > Hello all,
>
> > I've noticed some strange behaviour of functools.total_ordering
> > decorator, at least it seems strange to me.
>
> Looks like this is already known and fixed as of March:
>
> http://bug
Am 20.07.2011 17:33, schrieb llwa...@gmail.com:
> Hi all,
> I am compiling the example with MCVS2010
VC 2010 is not officially supported.
Christian
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On 20 Jul, 17:21, Thomas Jollans wrote:
> Don't know about Mac, I was under the impression that GTK was fine on
> Windows these days.
GTK looks awful on Windows, requires a dozen of installers (non of
which comes from a single source), is not properly stabile (nobody
cares?), and does not work o
On Wed, Jul 20, 2011 at 4:18 AM, risboo6909 wrote:
> Hello all,
>
> I've noticed some strange behaviour of functools.total_ordering
> decorator, at least it seems strange to me.
Looks like this is already known and fixed as of March:
http://bugs.python.org/issue10042
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Hi all,
I am compiling the example with MCVS2010
#include "Python.h"
static PyObject *
ex_foo(PyObject *self, PyObject *args)
{
printf("Hello, world\n");
Py_INCREF(Py_None);
return Py_None;
}
static PyMethodDef example_methods[] = {
{"foo", ex_foo, METH_VARARGS, "foo() doc stri
On 20/07/11 15:47, sturlamolden wrote:
> On 20 Jul, 11:59, Thomas Jollans wrote:
>
>> I wonder - what do you think of GTK+?
>
> PyGTK with GLADE is the easier to use, but a bit awkward looking on
> Windows and Mac. (Not to mention the number of dependencies that must
> be installed, inclusing a
On Jul 20, 9:27 am, sturlamolden wrote:
> On 20 Jul, 16:17, Mel wrote:
>
> > OTOH, if you intend to re-use the Dialog object, it's not a memory leak.
>
> It cannot be reused if you don't have any references pointing to it.
> Sure it is nice to have dialogs that can be hidden and re-displayed,
> b
On 20 Jul, 13:08, Tim Chase wrote:
> http://xkcd.com/927/
>
> :-)
Indeed.
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On 20 Jul, 13:04, Adam Tauno Williams wrote:
> > 3. Instances of extension types can clean themselves up on
> > deallocation. No parent-child ownership model to mess things up. No
> > manual clean-up. Python does all the reference counting we need.
>
> NEVER GOING TO HAPPEN. UI's don't work that
On 20 Jul, 16:17, Mel wrote:
> OTOH, if you intend to re-use the Dialog object, it's not a memory leak.
It cannot be reused if you don't have any references pointing to it.
Sure it is nice to have dialogs that can be hidden and re-displayed,
but only those that can be accessed again.
tp_dealloc
On 20 Jul, 11:59, Thomas Jollans wrote:
> Okay, I haven't used SWT yet: manual memory management? Java is GC!
>
> It is perfectly reasonable to be required to manually call some sort of
> destroy() method to tell the toolkit what you no longer want the user to
> see: firstly, you have the display
sturlamolden wrote:
> On 20 Jul, 11:59, Thomas Jollans wrote:
>> It is perfectly reasonable to be required to manually call some sort of
>> destroy() method to tell the toolkit what you no longer want the user to
>> see
> Yes, but not to avoid a memory leak.
OTOH, if you intend to re-use the Di
On 2011-07-20, Adam Tauno Williams wrote:
> On Tue, 2011-07-19 at 19:12 -0700, sturlamolden wrote:
>> What is wrong with them
>> 1. Designed for other languages, particularly C++, tcl and Java.
>> 2. Bloatware. Qt and wxWidgets are C++ application frameworks. (Python
>> has a standard library!)
>
On 2011-07-20, Thomas Jollans wrote:
>> 5. No particular GUI thread synchronization is needed -- Python has a
>> GIL.
>
> That's where you're wrong: the GIL is not a feature of Python. It is an
> unfortunate implementation detail of current versions of CPython. (and
> PyPy, apparently)
And ther
On 20 Jul, 11:59, Thomas Jollans wrote:
> I wonder - what do you think of GTK+?
PyGTK with GLADE is the easier to use, but a bit awkward looking on
Windows and Mac. (Not to mention the number of dependencies that must
be installed, inclusing a GTK runtime.)
> Really, while Swing and Tkinter are
On Jul 19, 9:44 pm, Kevin Walzer wrote:
> > 2. Bloatware. Qt and wxWidgets are C++ application frameworks. (Python
> > has a standard library!)
>
> Again, so? This isn't applicable to Tk, by the way. It's a GUI toolkit
> specifically designed for scripting languages.
Tk is SPECIFICALLY designed
On Jul 19, 9:12 pm, sturlamolden wrote:
> What is wrong with them:
>
> 1. Designed for other languages, particularly C++, tcl and Java.
This fact bugs me but no one is willing to put forth an effort to make
things happen. So we are stuck with what we have now.
> 3. Unpythonic memory management:
Thomas Jollans writes:
> On 20/07/11 04:12, sturlamolden wrote:
>> 3. Unpythonic memory management: Python references to deleted C++
>> objects (PyQt). Manual dialog destruction (wxPython). Parent-child
>> ownership might be smart in C++, but in Python we have a garbage
>> collector.
>
> I wonder
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I appreciate !
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sturlamolden, 20.07.2011 04:12:
Or should modern deskop apps be written with something completely
different, such as HTML5?
Depends. For many "desktop" apps, this is actually quite workable, with the
additional advantage of having an Internet-/Intranet-ready implementation
available in case y
On Wed, 2011-07-20 at 11:59 +0200, Thomas Jollans wrote:
> On 20/07/11 04:12, sturlamolden wrote:
> > 5. No particular GUI thread synchronization is needed -- Python has a
> > GIL.
> That's where you're wrong: the GIL is not a feature of Python. It is an
> unfortunate implementation detail of curr
On 07/19/2011 09:12 PM, sturlamolden wrote:
How I would prefer the GUI library to be, if based on "native"
widgets:
http://xkcd.com/927/
:-)
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On Tue, 2011-07-19 at 19:12 -0700, sturlamolden wrote:
> What is wrong with them
> 1. Designed for other languages, particularly C++, tcl and Java.
> 2. Bloatware. Qt and wxWidgets are C++ application frameworks. (Python
> has a standard library!)
I've no idea what this means. I happily use pygtk
On 20/07/11 06:19, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
> On Wed, 20 Jul 2011 01:17 pm CM wrote:
>
>> I have three items in a dict, like this:
>>
>> the_dict = {'a':1, 'b':2, 'c':3}
>>
>> but the vals could be anything. I want to configure something else
>> based on the "winner" of such a dict, with these rule
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Hello all,
I've noticed some strange behaviour of functools.total_ordering
decorator, at least it seems strange to me.
Let's consider code snippet below
import functools
@functools.total_ordering
class MyComparableType(object):
def __init__(self, value, ref):
self.value = value
On 20/07/11 04:12, sturlamolden wrote:
> 3. Unpythonic memory management: Python references to deleted C++
> objects (PyQt). Manual dialog destruction (wxPython). Parent-child
> ownership might be smart in C++, but in Python we have a garbage
> collector.
I wonder - what do you think of GTK+?
I've
hello, thanks for your answer.
> From the stuff below, you appear to be compiling for Windows.
yes
>
> > The following modules appear to be missing
> > ['Carbon', 'Carbon.Files',
> This is Mac gui stuff which you neither need nor want in a Windows
> binary. I suspect mis-specification somewhere.
On Wed, 20 Jul 2011 05:51 pm Andrew Berg wrote:
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> On 2011.07.20 02:28 AM, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
>> Isn't it optional though?
> No.
> http://doc.pypy.org/en/latest/faq.html#does-pypy-have-a-gil-why
Ah, my mistake, thank you. I knew PyPy ha
On Wed, 20 Jul 2011 05:54 pm jmfauth wrote:
> DRY? acronym for ?
I'd like to tell you, but I already told somebody else...
*grins*
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Don't_repeat_yourself
http://c2.com/cgi/wiki?DontRepeatYourself
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On 20 juil, 09:29, Ian Kelly wrote:
> Otherwise, here's another non-DRY solution:
>
> >>> from itertools import izip
> >>> for i, c in izip(reversed(xrange(len(s))), reversed(s)):
>
> ...
>
> Unfortunately, this is one space where there just doesn't seem to be a
> single obvious way to do it.
We
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On 2011.07.20 02:28 AM, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
> Isn't it optional though?
No.
http://doc.pypy.org/en/latest/faq.html#does-pypy-have-a-gil-why
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On Tue, 19 Jul 2011 11:32 pm Matty Sarro wrote:
> Hey everyone. I am currently reading through an RFC, and it mentions
> that a client and server half of a transaction are embodied by finite
> state machines. I am reading through the wikipedia article for finite
> state machines, and sadly it's go
On Wed, 20 Jul 2011 05:20 pm Stefan Behnel wrote:
> Steven D'Aprano, 20.07.2011 06:28:
>>> Python has a GIL.
>>
>> Except for Jython, IronPython and PyPy.
>
> PyPy has a GIL, too.
Isn't it optional though?
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On Wed, Jul 20, 2011 at 12:29 AM, jmfauth wrote:
>> Then it is hard to code precisely.
>>
>
> Not really. The trick is to count the different opener/closer
> separately.
> That is what I am doing to check balanced brackets in
> chemical formulas. The rules are howerver not the same
> as in math.
Steven D'Aprano, 20.07.2011 06:28:
Python has a GIL.
Except for Jython, IronPython and PyPy.
PyPy has a GIL, too.
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On Tue, Jul 19, 2011 at 8:12 PM, sturlamolden wrote:
> 3. Unpythonic memory management: Python references to deleted C++
> objects (PyQt). Manual dialog destruction (wxPython). Parent-child
> ownership might be smart in C++, but in Python we have a garbage
> collector.
Perhaps you already know th
On Tue, Jul 19, 2011 at 10:10 PM, CM wrote:
> On Jul 19, 11:17 pm, CM wrote:
>> I have three items in a dict, like this:
>>
>> the_dict = {'a':1, 'b':2, 'c':3}
>>
>> but the vals could be anything. I want to configure something else
>> based on the "winner" of such a dict, with these rules:
> I
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