Re: merits of Lisp vs Python

2006-12-10 Thread Kay Schluehr
[EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb: > I find it amusing that most of the arguments that python-people are > making in this thread are actually the arguments that C++ and Java make > against Python. "Who needs dynamic typing?", "Who needs closures?", > "The idea of using whitespace for syntax is beyond stup

Re: merits of Lisp vs Python

2006-12-10 Thread Paddy
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > Python has to rely more on using the right algorithm... > > This sound familiar: "Macros are dangerous!" Yes. I changed my opinion on advocating Python having macros in one of our long threads on the subject. Maintainance counts. > "Compilers make you lazy." This is n

alternate language

2006-12-10 Thread Bryan
what is a good alternate language to learn? i just want something to expand my mind and hopefully reduce or delay any chance of alzheimer's. i would especially like to hear from those of you who learned python _before_ these languages. haskell, erlang, ocaml, mozart/oz, rebel, etc. i don't requir

Re: merits of Lisp vs Python

2006-12-10 Thread Kaz Kylheku
Paul Rubin wrote: > "Kaz Kylheku" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > Lisp just seems hopelessly old-fashioned to me these days. A > > > modernized version would be cool, but I think the more serious > > > Lisp-like language designers have moved on to newer ideas. > > > > What are some of their name

Re: Automatic debugging of copy by reference errors?

2006-12-10 Thread Carl Banks
Niels L Ellegaard wrote: > Marc 'BlackJack' Rintsch wrote: > > In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Niels L > > Ellegaard wrote: > > > I have been using scipy for some time now, but in the beginning I made > > > a few mistakes with copying by reference. > > But "copying by reference" is the way Python works.

Re: Newbie Question - Checkboxes

2006-12-10 Thread John Machin
Leanne wrote: > I have been using Python for only a few months part-time and have > recently had my first encounter with retrieving user input from > checkboxes. I have a problem with the way Python reads the input > values from a set of checkboxes on a webpage. > > The values assigned to the che

Re: merits of Lisp vs Python

2006-12-10 Thread Kaz Kylheku
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Well, having read a lot of this thread, I can see one of the > reasons why the software profession might want to avoid > lispies. With advocacy like this, who needs detractors? And thus your plan for breaking into the software profession is ... to develop Usenet advocac

Re: merits of Lisp vs Python

2006-12-10 Thread Paul Rubin
"Alex Mizrahi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > PR> I don't see how to implement coroutines with CL macros. Maybe I'm > PR> missing something. > > read the book. Which book? > but once you convert it to CPS, you just operate with closures. stack is > just a lexical variables caught into closure

Re: Automatic debugging of copy by reference errors?

2006-12-10 Thread Carl Banks
Russ wrote: > If a debugger could tell you how many references exist to an object, > that would be helpful. import sys sys.getrefcount(a) But I doubt it would be very helpful. Carl Banks -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: merits of Lisp vs Python

2006-12-10 Thread Kaz Kylheku
Steven D'Aprano wrote: > I'd love to say it has been fun, but it has been more frustrating than > enjoyable. I don't mind an honest disagreement between people who Honest disagreement requires parties who are reasonably informed, and who are willing not to form opinions about things that they have

Quake 3 and the Python interpreter

2006-12-10 Thread Neil Toronto
So I've recently had a stroke of insanity, deciding that what the open-source Quake III engine *really* needs is a good, healthy dose of Python. Here's the quick version: The Q3 engine is split into the engine (responsible for rendering, sound, networking, input, and collision detection) and t