Re: A Letter to the Authors of Web Authentication Libraries

2009-05-12 Thread Paul Johnston
Hi, > The what?  Is this some place in Korea or Vietnam? Koh Phangan is one of the Southern islands in Thailand. I'm not going to Korea, but I should be in Vietnam within a couple of months. Read all about it - http://pajhome.org.uk/aboutme/blog/ Paul --~--~-~--~~~-

Re: A Letter to the Authors of Web Authentication Libraries

2009-05-12 Thread Mike Orr
On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 2:42 AM, Paul Johnston wrote: > > BTW, the Full Moon Party on Koh Phangan is the most amazing party I > have ever been to in my life. The what? Is this some place in Korea or Vietnam? -- Mike Orr --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this

Re: A Letter to the Authors of Web Authentication Libraries

2009-05-12 Thread Paul Johnston
Hi, Cool, really pleased we're all friends again. I haven't heard from James about AuthKit; I will contact him myself at some point. I'm going to add this to repoze.who first, mostly because that's the TG auth lib, and TG is my fave framework. To be honest, I don't know if there's much demand f

Re: A Letter to the Authors of Web Authentication Libraries

2009-05-10 Thread Ross Lawley
Hi, On Sun, May 10, 2009 at 12:27 PM, Paul Johnston wrote: > > Hi, > > > No need to be arrogant and insult people. "Your reply is line noise"? > > "Go to another site to find out why"? That really makes people trust > > what you have to say, not. > > Sorry for bringing mud to the list, I know

Re: A Letter to the Authors of Web Authentication Libraries

2009-05-10 Thread Iain Duncan
On Sun, 2009-05-10 at 11:28 -0700, Mike Orr wrote: > On Sun, May 10, 2009 at 4:27 AM, Paul Johnston wrote: > > Ben, I was thinking that adding this to AuthKit is the obvious choice. > > Neither AuthKit nor repoze.who are intrinsically part of Pylons, so > you want to direct your question to Jame

Re: A Letter to the Authors of Web Authentication Libraries

2009-05-10 Thread Mike Orr
On Sun, May 10, 2009 at 4:27 AM, Paul Johnston wrote: > Ben, I was thinking that adding this to AuthKit is the obvious choice. Neither AuthKit nor repoze.who are intrinsically part of Pylons, so you want to direct your question to James Gardner, the AuthKit maintainer, whom I'm cc'ing. Chris Mc

Re: A Letter to the Authors of Web Authentication Libraries

2009-05-10 Thread Mike Orr
On Sun, May 10, 2009 at 4:27 AM, Paul Johnston wrote: > > Hi, > >> No need to be arrogant and insult people.  "Your reply is line noise"? >>  "Go to another site to find out why"?  That really makes people trust >> what you have to say, not. > > Sorry for bringing mud to the list, I know it's not

Re: A Letter to the Authors of Web Authentication Libraries

2009-05-10 Thread Paul Johnston
Hi, > No need to be arrogant and insult people.  "Your reply is line noise"? >  "Go to another site to find out why"?  That really makes people trust > what you have to say, not. Sorry for bringing mud to the list, I know it's not the culture here to communicate like that. However, Ross' message

Re: A Letter to the Authors of Web Authentication Libraries

2009-05-09 Thread Mike Orr
On Sat, May 9, 2009 at 7:14 AM, Paul Johnston wrote: > > Ross, your reply is also line noise and if you read the site you'll > understand why. No need to be arrogant and insult people. "Your reply is line noise"? "Go to another site to find out why"? That really makes people trust what you ha

Re: A Letter to the Authors of Web Authentication Libraries

2009-05-09 Thread Ben Bangert
On May 9, 2009, at 8:40 AM, Ross Lawley wrote: Its not *just* noise, its not the first time such conversations have come up and I'm yet to be convinced javascript can provide a solid solution. No one ever said it was fool-proof, its an alternative to using SSL. I've never heard anyone pro

Re: A Letter to the Authors of Web Authentication Libraries

2009-05-09 Thread Ross Lawley
Paul, Its not *just* noise, its not the first time such conversations have come up and I'm yet to be convinced javascript can provide a solid solution. As a user I can I login without js and with js enabled? Certain devices might not have js enabled, do I have to cater for that as well purely on

Re: A Letter to the Authors of Web Authentication Libraries

2009-05-09 Thread Paul Johnston
Ross, your reply is also line noise and if you read the site you'll understand why. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "pylons-devel" group. To post to this group, send email to pylons-devel@googlegroups.

Re: A Letter to the Authors of Web Authentication Libraries

2009-05-09 Thread Ross Lawley
Not sure I agree with this, Requiring javascript for login / authentication is crazy as it means those without js can't authenticate. If you allow both methods you just then you increased the the attack vector by 100%. Ross On Sat, May 9, 2009 at 7:28 AM, Paul Johnston wrote: > > Hi, > > Good

Re: A Letter to the Authors of Web Authentication Libraries

2009-05-08 Thread Paul Johnston
Hi, Good summary Ben. Mike - no worries for jumping the gun, about 50% of replies have been similar. I'm still learning how to tailor these communications to reduce line noise; any suggestions would be welcome. In fact, MD5 is fine for this use, the scheme doesn't rely on the collision resistanc

Re: A Letter to the Authors of Web Authentication Libraries

2009-05-05 Thread Mike Lewis
Oh that's interesting. My apologies for jumping the gun. (like I said, I'm not really a security person) On May 4, 11:49 pm, Ben Bangert wrote: > On May 4, 2009, at 4:48 PM, Mike Lewis wrote: > > > Having passwords encrypted in MD5 sent in plaintext is probably almost > > worse than just sendin

Re: A Letter to the Authors of Web Authentication Libraries

2009-05-04 Thread Ben Bangert
On May 4, 2009, at 4:48 PM, Mike Lewis wrote: Having passwords encrypted in MD5 sent in plaintext is probably almost worse than just sending them in plaintext. I was about to say something similar, until I read more about Paul's scheme. :) Paul is using a hand-shake method whereby the pass

Re: A Letter to the Authors of Web Authentication Libraries

2009-05-04 Thread Mike Lewis
Hi Paul, Having passwords encrypted in MD5 sent in plaintext is probably almost worse than just sending them in plaintext. MD5 has been considered insecure for quite a while now. It's very easy to crack. [1] The reason I suggest it's worse is because it gives a false sense of security. Also, th

A Letter to the Authors of Web Authentication Libraries

2009-05-02 Thread Paul Johnston
Hi, Many web sites have a user name and password login system, and do not use SSL. As a consequence, users' passwords are transmitted over the internet unencrypted. This puts them at risk, particularly if the user is on a shared ethernet segment, or open wireless network. For many years I have p