Re: [pve-devel] [PATCH manager] ui: node: system: avoid using 'Syslog'

2024-02-26 Thread Esi Y via pve-devel
--- Begin Message --- Another random find today in man 8 rasdaemon [1], a post Syslogd-only era tool: > These trace events are logged in /sys/kernel/debug/tracing, reporting them > via syslog/journald. [1] https://manpages.debian.org/testing/rasdaemon/rasdaemon.8 On Fri, Feb 16, 2024 at 10:25:2

Re: [pve-devel] [PATCH manager] ui: node: system: avoid using 'Syslog'

2024-02-23 Thread Esi Y via pve-devel
--- Begin Message --- Just a small random addition to the rabbithole of the term syslog and that it has been source of confusion since long. There's yet another syslog, completely unrelated: # man 2 syslog: DESCRIPTION Note: Probably, you are looking for the C library function sy

Re: [pve-devel] [PATCH manager] ui: node: system: avoid using 'Syslog'

2024-02-16 Thread Esi Y via pve-devel
--- Begin Message --- On Thu, Feb 15, 2024 at 07:20:51PM +0100, Dietmar Maurer wrote: > > The information gathered by the API call comes from the systemd > > journal. While 'Syslog' could be interpreted as a shorthand for > > "System Log", it's better to be explicit to avoid any confusion. > > > -

Re: [pve-devel] [PATCH manager] ui: node: system: avoid using 'Syslog'

2024-02-16 Thread Esi Y via pve-devel
--- Begin Message --- On Fri, Feb 16, 2024 at 10:25:22AM +0100, Dietmar Maurer wrote: > > while I don't mind (at all!) that that part of the UI/API is labelled > > syslog (I don't think it's hard to understand that it gives you the system > > logs of that node, and "syslog" is a bit like "Kleenex

Re: [pve-devel] [PATCH manager] ui: node: system: avoid using 'Syslog'

2024-02-16 Thread Dietmar Maurer
> while I don't mind (at all!) that that part of the UI/API is labelled syslog > (I don't think it's hard to understand that it gives you the system logs of > that node, and "syslog" is a bit like "Kleenex" in that regard ;)) - I do > have to disagree here ;) journald does a lot more than just c

Re: [pve-devel] [PATCH manager] ui: node: system: avoid using 'Syslog'

2024-02-16 Thread Fiona Ebner
Am 16.02.24 um 10:01 schrieb Fabian Grünbichler: > >> Fiona Ebner hat am 16.02.2024 09:29 CET geschrieben: >> Am 15.02.24 um 19:20 schrieb Dietmar Maurer: The information gathered by the API call comes from the systemd journal. While 'Syslog' could be interpreted as a shorthand for >>

Re: [pve-devel] [PATCH manager] ui: node: system: avoid using 'Syslog'

2024-02-16 Thread Fabian Grünbichler
> Fiona Ebner hat am 16.02.2024 09:29 CET geschrieben: > Am 15.02.24 um 19:20 schrieb Dietmar Maurer: > >> The information gathered by the API call comes from the systemd > >> journal. While 'Syslog' could be interpreted as a shorthand for > >> "System Log", it's better to be explicit to avoid an

Re: [pve-devel] [PATCH manager] ui: node: system: avoid using 'Syslog'

2024-02-16 Thread Fiona Ebner
Am 15.02.24 um 19:20 schrieb Dietmar Maurer: >> The information gathered by the API call comes from the systemd >> journal. While 'Syslog' could be interpreted as a shorthand for >> "System Log", it's better to be explicit to avoid any confusion. > >> -title: 'Syslog', >> +

Re: [pve-devel] [PATCH manager] ui: node: system: avoid using 'Syslog'

2024-02-15 Thread Fiona Ebner
Am 15.02.24 um 19:25 schrieb Dietmar Maurer: > I can also imaging using "Events" instead of "Syslog". > > - title: 'Syslog', > + title: gettext('Events'), > > IMHO this is easier to translate. > Then at least "System Events". Otherwise it leaves the question "what kind o

Re: [pve-devel] [PATCH manager] ui: node: system: avoid using 'Syslog'

2024-02-15 Thread Fiona Ebner
Am 15.02.24 um 19:20 schrieb Dietmar Maurer: >> The information gathered by the API call comes from the systemd >> journal. While 'Syslog' could be interpreted as a shorthand for >> "System Log", it's better to be explicit to avoid any confusion. > >> -title: 'Syslog', >> +

Re: [pve-devel] [PATCH manager] ui: node: system: avoid using 'Syslog'

2024-02-15 Thread Dietmar Maurer
I can also imaging using "Events" instead of "Syslog". - title: 'Syslog', + title: gettext('Events'), IMHO this is easier to translate. > With your change: > > - title: 'Syslog', > + title: gettext('System Log'), > > we now need to translate

Re: [pve-devel] [PATCH manager] ui: node: system: avoid using 'Syslog'

2024-02-15 Thread Dietmar Maurer
> The information gathered by the API call comes from the systemd > journal. While 'Syslog' could be interpreted as a shorthand for > "System Log", it's better to be explicit to avoid any confusion. > - title: 'Syslog', > + title: gettext('System Log'), From Wikipedia: htt

[pve-devel] [PATCH manager] ui: node: system: avoid using 'Syslog'

2024-02-15 Thread Fiona Ebner
Reported in the community forum [0]. Since Proxmox VE 8/Debian 12, rsyslog is not installed by default for new installations anymore [1]. The information gathered by the API call comes from the systemd journal. While 'Syslog' could be interpreted as a shorthand for "System Log", it's better to be e