Re: [Puppet Users] Why we wont use zpool ever again

2010-04-07 Thread Gary Law
On 7 April 2010 11:56, Thomas Bellman wrote: > I have never quite understood the distinction between provisioning and > other systems administration.  Why is creating a file system provisioning, > but installing a package not? Some things are usually -- or best -- done at install time. IMHO that'

Re: [Puppet Users] Why we wont use zpool ever again

2010-04-07 Thread Thomas Bellman
Joe McDonagh wrote: [I'm re-arranging what Joe said a bit so I can keep replies to related issues together.] They're not unix-agnostic resources for one (has that fundamental bit of philosophy changed?), and they're unlikely to change in a way that you want puppet to 'correct'. Puppet has

Re: [Puppet Users] Why we wont use zpool ever again

2010-04-07 Thread David Schmitt
On 4/7/2010 10:44 AM, Kaspar Schiess wrote: Use "puppetd --disable" the next time to keep your tools from stampeding over your manual recovery efforts. I am not sure I understand - I could only boot into failsafe mode at the time. And the first real boot came up with puppetd running first thing

Re: [Puppet Users] Why we wont use zpool ever again

2010-04-07 Thread Kaspar Schiess
Use "puppetd --disable" the next time to keep your tools from stampeding over your manual recovery efforts. I am not sure I understand - I could only boot into failsafe mode at the time. And the first real boot came up with puppetd running first thing. I can't think of anything to stop that,

Re: [Puppet Users] Why we wont use zpool ever again

2010-04-07 Thread David Schmitt
On 4/7/2010 8:31 AM, Kaspar Schiess wrote: Hi as far as I understood was that the zpool information was lost, hence puppet thought that there was no zpool anymore. I assume that this means that zpool-tools didn't know about that anymore either, but it might have been recoverable with manual int

Re: [Puppet Users] Why we wont use zpool ever again

2010-04-06 Thread Kaspar Schiess
Hi as far as I understood was that the zpool information was lost, hence puppet thought that there was no zpool anymore. I assume that this means that zpool-tools didn't know about that anymore either, but it might have been recoverable with manual interaction. That's what happened. Actually, it

Re: [Puppet Users] Why we wont use zpool ever again

2010-04-06 Thread Nicolas Szalay
- "Peter Meier" a écrit : | | as far as I understood was that the zpool information was lost, hence | puppet thought that there was no zpool anymore. I assume that this | means | that zpool-tools didn't know about that anymore either, but it might | have been recoverable with manual interacti

Re: [Puppet Users] Why we wont use zpool ever again

2010-04-06 Thread Peter Meier
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi > On Tue, Apr 6, 2010 at 10:52 AM, Kaspar Schiess wrote: >> Creating zpools is a manual thing in every case, since one has to know the >> devices participating. The names of which tend to be a little bit different >> from one server to the next. >

Re: [Puppet Users] Why we wont use zpool ever again

2010-04-06 Thread Jeff McCune
On Tue, Apr 6, 2010 at 10:52 AM, Kaspar Schiess wrote: > Creating zpools is a manual thing in every case, since one has to know the > devices participating. The names of which tend to be a little bit different > from one server to the next. Wow, so I've got a fairly large Solaris 10 server deploy

Re: [Puppet Users] Why we wont use zpool ever again

2010-04-06 Thread Joe McDonagh
Kaspar Schiess wrote: Hi everyone, Just wanted to tell you a little story. We've been enthusiastic puppet users since about a year ago here at the Geographic Institute of the University of Zürich. But we won't use the zpool type ever again. Its just not worth it. Here's what happened: . o

Re: [Puppet Users] Why we wont use zpool ever again

2010-04-06 Thread Joe McDonagh
Peter Meier wrote: Hi But we won't use the zpool type ever again. Its just not worth it. Here's what happened: . one of our servers lost knowledge about one of its zfs pools . puppet didn't find the pool and .. went on to zpool create it . we did indeed have a backup, but would have lost all

Re: [Puppet Users] Why we wont use zpool ever again

2010-04-06 Thread Peter Meier
Hi But we won't use the zpool type ever again. Its just not worth it. Here's what happened: . one of our servers lost knowledge about one of its zfs pools . puppet didn't find the pool and .. went on to zpool create it . we did indeed have a backup, but would have lost all data if not Creati