So in agreement w/ that
> On Thu, 2002-11-21 at 16:52, Charles Johnson wrote:
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>> In 1995 Linux did not have the desktop software we need.
>
> Heh, well, just a little. ;-)
>
>> We only have to train 3 server admins. We have 850 users in 26
>> counties at more than 60 facilities, with the
On Thu, 2002-11-21 at 16:52, Charles Johnson wrote:
> In 1995 Linux did not have the desktop software we need.
Heh, well, just a little. ;-)
> We only have to train 3 server admins. We have 850 users in 26 counties at more than
>60 facilities, with the requisite T1's, frame relay, and
I hear this 'training' thing over and over again.
I don't know why it comes up. OOh yeah that right users are idiots.
The thing that gets me is cause you SAY its not WINDOWS people FREAK
and forget how to click a mouse on a button and read the screen.
I think alot of this 'training' thing
In 1995 Linux did not have the desktop software we need.
We only have to train 3 server admins. We have 850 users in 26 counties at more than
60 facilities, with the requisite T1's, frame relay, and 10/100BaseT's to keep them
connected, as well as keeping them connected
to our ASP, e-mail (Group
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On Thu, 21 Nov 2002, Charles Johnson wrote:
> It is more than the "masses." We have over 850 users on-line here in our
> company and the re-training costs shifting to a linux desktop are very
> large.
Side note: Did you know that the cost of
Justin Zygmont wrote:
i'm willing to bet that MS PPTP is propriatory. There's a lot of things
that open source programmers would include, if it was possible.
I'm not studied in the details of PPTP, but it seems to be pretty well
documented--both in strengths and weakness. The references i
3 RH training points you should have to worry about,
1. E-Mail Client (Evolution) its not that bad really I have done it with
over a 100 users already
2. Web Browser (Netscape 7 or Mozilla 1.0) this is the BIGGEST issue you
will encounter, you will probably want Net. 7 since it comes default w/
F
On 19 Nov 2002, Brent Fox wrote:
> On Tue, 2002-11-19 at 14:08, Robert P. J. Day wrote:
> >
> > it's like the schoolyard bully who's had his way for years. individually,
> > no one can stand up to him but over those same years, a thought grows
> > that, if everyone bands together, they might be
On Tue, 2002-11-19 at 14:08, Robert P. J. Day wrote:
>
> it's like the schoolyard bully who's had his way for years. individually,
> no one can stand up to him but over those same years, a thought grows
> that, if everyone bands together, they might be able to do something about
> it. and when t
It is more than the "masses." We have over 850 users on-line here in our company and
the re-training costs shifting to a linux desktop are very large. In this way,
RedHat *is* moving in the right direction by trying to give us a desktop which
will require minimal re-training for companies like ou
Hello,
I too feel that Psyche has changed significantly in look and use, from 7.3.
It took several days to get a gui rpm manager that gave me info and
feed-back about what was really on my system. I don't know about the
reasons why kpackage has disappeared, but I do believe that many people mi
Keith Winston wrote:
On Tue, 2002-11-19 at 11:02, Alan Peery wrote:
The VPN uses CIPE, not
Microsoft PPTP--which makes it completely unusable in an already
existing infrastructure...
You mean an already existing Microsoft infrastructure.
In that phrasing, yes. But in a more global s
On Wed, 20 Nov 2002, Robert P. J. Day wrote:
> > Red Hat expicitly claims 8.0 to be a desktop for the enterprise. Almost
> > nothing you mention above has to do with a work environment unless
> > you're a programmer. In which case you can easily configure it to work.
> > In fact, it might be a plu
On Thu, 21 Nov 2002, John wrote:
> On Wed, 20 Nov 2002, Michael Fratoni wrote:
> > up2date checks the Red Hat server for package information. It will happily
> > skip downloading any updates if you point it to a directory containing
> > the updated files.
> That's no good. It goes against my band
On 20 Nov 2002, esra wrote:
>
> > They also want to listen to their collection of mp3s. They want to
> > visit web sites that make use of Macromedia Flash player and Java and
> > Realplayer and Quicktime and Microsoft Media Player formats. They want
> > their web browser to Just Work with thei
> They also want to listen to their collection of mp3s. They want to
> visit web sites that make use of Macromedia Flash player and Java and
> Realplayer and Quicktime and Microsoft Media Player formats. They want
> their web browser to Just Work with their favorite web sites and not
> have to
On Wed, 20 Nov 2002, Michael Fratoni wrote:
> up2date checks the Red Hat server for package information. It will happily
> skip downloading any updates if you point it to a directory containing
> the updated files.
That's no good. It goes against my bandwidth allocation, and prevents me
from b
nux 8.0 (Psyche)
>Subject: Re: A thought about psyche
>
>i'm willing to bet that MS PPTP is propriatory. There's a lot of things
>that open source programmers would include, if it was possible.
PPTP is available for Linux, and has been for _ages_. PPTP is
not a secure pr
On Wed, 2002-11-20 at 17:57, Keith Winston wrote:
> Let's be honest here. With a default Windows XP install or retail
> pre-install, you can't listen to MP3s, use flash or java or realplayer
> or quicktime because most PCs don't come with those pre-installed and
> configured.
If Dell doesn't ins
On Wed, 2002-11-20 at 15:46, John Yanosko wrote:
> They also want to listen to their collection of mp3s. They want to
> visit web sites that make use of Macromedia Flash player and Java and
> Realplayer and Quicktime and Microsoft Media Player formats. They want
> their web browser to Just Work w
On Wed, 2002-11-20 at 10:46, Aaron Konstam wrote:
> People complain about all sorts of things but in RH 8.0 when installed
> the naive user has immediate access to the applications he most wants in
> Windows. He finds the equivalent of Windows Office and a browser. That
> is all that most Windows
On Wed, 20 Nov 2002, Aaron Konstam wrote:
> >
> >
> > My wife complains every time I change something, including updates from
> > one RHL release to another (before 8.0). I can see her complaining even
> > more if I install RHL 8.0 on her computer. Possibly, I'd get away with
> > Debian.
> >
>
>
>
> My wife complains every time I change something, including updates from
> one RHL release to another (before 8.0). I can see her complaining even
> more if I install RHL 8.0 on her computer. Possibly, I'd get away with
> Debian.
>
People complain about all sorts of things but in RH 8.0 wh
> -Original Message-
> From: Tony Nugent [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Wed, November 20, 2002 4:11 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: A thought about psyche
>
>
> On Tue Nov 19 2002 at 17:43, Justin Zygmont wrote:
>
> > i'm will
Psyche is good in a lot of respects for the newbie, and the computer
illiterate esp. with the "generic names". However that makes it harder
for the rest of us who are set in our ways. The problem is the "hiding"
of stuff to reduce complexity, and the difficulty of finding that stuff
in the doco. Us
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On Tuesday 19 November 2002 10:53 pm, John wrote:
> > > My favourite time-waster (freecell) isn't on a KDE menu, and I
> > > still don't think Gnome's up to it.
- From the kmenu->
Games -> Patience
Select Freecell as the game type (under settings). N
On Wed, 20 Nov 2002 11:53:18 +0800 (WST)
John <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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# I've used 15 consecutive releases of RHL. Back at 3.0.3 I'm sure it
# was the best choice. Looking at alternatives now is not premature.
Please, if thats how you feel, go look into it. There is no need to
continue a fl
On Tue, 19 Nov 2002, Joe Klemmer wrote:
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> On Wed, 20 Nov 2002, John wrote:
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> > > Quite a clever strategy if you ask me. What so others think?
> >
> > I think I'll be going to Debian. That's what I think.
> >
> > Simple things I've been doin
On Tue Nov 19 2002 at 17:43, Justin Zygmont wrote:
> i'm willing to bet that MS PPTP is propriatory. There's a lot of things
> that open source programmers would include, if it was possible.
The pptp _protocol_ is described in an RFC.
However, the _implementation_ of that protocol (along with
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On Wed, 20 Nov 2002, John wrote:
> > Quite a clever strategy if you ask me. What so others think?
>
> I think I'll be going to Debian. That's what I think.
>
> Simple things I've been doing for Eons I now can't. Like maximise a
> Window vertically o
i'm willing to bet that MS PPTP is propriatory. There's a lot of things
that open source programmers would include, if it was possible.
On Tue, 19 Nov 2002, Alan Peery wrote:
> Aaron Konstam wrote:
>
> >This is not a deep thought but something that occurred to me that I have not
> >seen comme
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>Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 08:46:23 -0600
>From: Aaron Konstam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: Psyche <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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>more depth than that in RH 8 but it looks like a real attempt on Red
>Hat's part to sell the product to forme
On 19 Nov 2002, Keith Winston wrote:
> On Tue, 2002-11-19 at 11:02, Alan Peery wrote:
> > There are areas that will turn power users of Microsoft right off. It
> > was really nice to see a VPN connection offered in "neat" in a standard
> > install--but it doesn't work. (Missing a directory and
On Tue, 2002-11-19 at 11:02, Alan Peery wrote:
> There are areas that will turn power users of Microsoft right off. It
> was really nice to see a VPN connection offered in "neat" in a standard
> install--but it doesn't work. (Missing a directory and a device, two
> items that appear if you ins
On Tue, 19 Nov 2002, Aaron Konstam wrote:
> This is not a deep thought but something that occurred to me that I have not
> seen commented on anywhere else. If you were a windows user you would feel
> really at home in psyche. Most windows users get no farther than using Windows
> office and a brow
Aaron Konstam wrote:
This is not a deep thought but something that occurred to me that I have not
seen commented on anywhere else. If you were a windows user you would feel
really at home in psyche. Most windows users get no farther than using Windows
office and a browser. In RH 8 there they are
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