Re: [NF] c# .net and databases

2008-12-15 Thread Alan Bourke
I would investigate a framework to put between yourself and the data - NHibernate, or Microsoft's own Entity Framework, or a complete application framework like StrataFrame. There are myriad approaches to data in .Net and choosing a "right" one for your purposes needs quite a bit of investigation.

Re: [NF] Why do you think Vista sucks?

2008-12-15 Thread Alan Bourke
On Sat, 13 Dec 2008 07:28:36 -0600, "Stephen Russell" said: > What are you real problems with Vista? > > Requires new hardware? Well, it requires probably dual-core and 2GB to do anything serious but that is hardly cutting edge if you bought a PC in the last 2 years. > > Security is over pro

Re: Why not push Linux to your customer, was Why do you think Vista sucks?

2008-12-15 Thread Alan Bourke
On Sat, 13 Dec 2008 16:20:08 -0500, "Rick Schummer" said: > Business only cares that they can get the job done they have to do. Exactly - if Linux had the breadth and choice in applications that businesses actually use, like payroll and accounts and CRM, they'd be all over it. But unfortunately

RE: Why not push Linux to your customer, was Why do you think Vista sucks?

2008-12-15 Thread Geoff Flight
One of the things techo-boffins seem to forget is that in business the Operating System means zip to the user and senior management. They want APPLICATIONS - not foundations. Does anyone remember the first IBM PCs and lotus 1-2-3? People bought LOTUS BOXES not DOS boxes. I hear people raving about

Re: Why not push Linux to your customer, was Why do you think Vista sucks?

2008-12-15 Thread Ted Roche
On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 8:40 AM, Paul Hill wrote: > I'm not a huge Microsoft fan, but NT *is* a very secure OS. The > problem is that on most PCs it's misconfigured. But Microsoft makes it easy for you, by having Windows come out of the box misconfigured... -- Ted Roche Ted Roche & Associates

Re: Why not push Linux to your customer, was Why do you think Vista sucks?

2008-12-15 Thread Ted Roche
On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 8:37 AM, Paul Hill wrote: > That's a flaw in the browser, or should I say a feature that's > misused. Exactly the same can happen on Linux. I don't believe that's true. A binary download in Linux is not executable by default. I'd suggest there are several flaws that con

Re: [NF] c# .net and databases

2008-12-15 Thread Stephen Russell
On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 3:15 AM, Alan Bourke wrote: > I would investigate a framework to put between yourself and the data - > NHibernate, or Microsoft's own Entity Framework, or a complete > application framework like StrataFrame. There are myriad approaches to > data in .Net and choosing a "righ

Re: [NF] Why do you think Vista sucks?

2008-12-15 Thread Stephen Russell
On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 3:49 AM, Allen wrote: > If this is the case then why does the "internet" think it. I thought it > because I could not use some of my hardware and much software. Now that does > not make it bad, just not much use to me at the moment as I'm not in a > position to upgrade har

Re: [NF] c# .net and databases

2008-12-15 Thread Ed Leafe
On Dec 15, 2008, at 1:24 AM, Geoff Flight wrote: > I'm doing the same thing moving from VFP to C#/VB. Unfortunately VFP > IS a > dead language now and there wil never be the features in it that we > need as > the rest of the market place evolves - eg WPF. Now that's a business strateg

Re: [NF] c# .net and databases

2008-12-15 Thread Stephen Russell
On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 8:43 AM, Ed Leafe wrote: > On Dec 15, 2008, at 1:24 AM, Geoff Flight wrote: > >> I'm doing the same thing moving from VFP to C#/VB. Unfortunately VFP >> IS a >> dead language now and there wil never be the features in it that we >> need as >> the rest of the market place ev

RE: [NF] c# .net and databases

2008-12-15 Thread MB Software Solutions General Account
On Mon, December 15, 2008 2:22 am, Allen wrote: > For this project I'm coming away from VFP and using c#. Not because I > want to but because the opposition is telling people I'm writing in a dead > language. They have being saying that before M$ crushed it but as its > now true I have to do somet

Re: Why not push Linux to your customer, was Why do you think Vista sucks?

2008-12-15 Thread MB Software Solutions General Account
On Mon, December 15, 2008 4:24 am, Alan Bourke wrote: > > On Sat, 13 Dec 2008 16:20:08 -0500, "Rick Schummer" > said: > > >> Business only cares that they can get the job done they have to do. >> > > Exactly - if Linux had the breadth and choice in applications that > businesses actually use, lik

Re: [NF] c# .net and databases

2008-12-15 Thread Stephen Russell
On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 9:37 AM, MB Software Solutions General Account wrote: > On Mon, December 15, 2008 2:22 am, Allen wrote: >> For this project I'm coming away from VFP and using c#. Not because I >> want to but because the opposition is telling people I'm writing in a dead >> language. They

Re: Why not push Linux to your customer, was Why do you think Vista sucks?

2008-12-15 Thread Ed Leafe
On Dec 15, 2008, at 9:42 AM, MB Software Solutions General Account wrote: >> Exactly - if Linux had the breadth and choice in applications that >> businesses actually use, like payroll and accounts and CRM, they'd >> be all >> over it. But unfortunately that isn't the case yet. -- > > So what'

Re: Why not push Linux to your customer, was Why do you think Vista sucks?

2008-12-15 Thread Paul Hill
On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 2:35 AM, Stephen Russell wrote: > On Sun, Dec 14, 2008 at 8:12 AM, Ted Roche wrote: >> On Sun, Dec 14, 2008 at 6:53 AM, Paul Hill wrote: >>> >>> Security Windows has been as good as Linux/Unix since Windows NT (the >>> creators of NT were the VMS guys). In some ways it's

RE: [NF] Why do you think Vista sucks?

2008-12-15 Thread Allen
If this is the case then why does the "internet" think it. I thought it because I could not use some of my hardware and much software. Now that does not make it bad, just not much use to me at the moment as I'm not in a position to upgrade hardware just for a new operating system. I would say it's

RE: Why not push Linux to your customer, was Why do you think Vista sucks?

2008-12-15 Thread Gil Hale
It is precisely this Lock-In Loop that has prevented even me from making a Final Stand for a Power Mac for my next machine used for my primary communication and finance management PC. I really would love to have a Mac, but even with the VMWare and Parallels capabilities out there, and the fact bot

RE: [NF] c# .net and databases

2008-12-15 Thread Charlie Coleman
At 10:37 AM 12/15/2008 -0500, MB Software Solutions General Account wrote: >On Mon, December 15, 2008 2:22 am, Allen wrote: > > For this project I'm coming away from VFP and using c#. Not because I > > want to but because the opposition is telling people I'm writing in a dead > > language. They ha

Re: [NF] Why do you think Vista sucks?

2008-12-15 Thread Pete Theisen
Kevin Cully wrote: > Most people count what distro is reported in web browsing. That's > fairly accurate, I would say but even I have a plugin that will report > my Firefox on Linux to be IE on WinXP for when I go to my banks web site. Hi Kevin! That's interesting. What is it called? -- Regards

RE: [NF] c# .net and databases

2008-12-15 Thread Allen
I had guessed that's the sql way. What I was actually looking for was if data could be used in c# without it being server driven. In other words data like vfp uses it. The disconnect is fine but I was looking for I suppose the equivalent of free tables in VFP. Al -Original Message- From:

RE: [NF] c# .net and databases

2008-12-15 Thread Allen
Now XML is a word? That people in my game understand. The word not the meaning. XML is a good way for me to go Al -Original Message- From: profoxtech-boun...@leafe.com [mailto:profoxtech-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Stephen Russell or you could have to connect to data with other B2B p

Re: Why not push Linux to your customer, was Why do you think Vista sucks?

2008-12-15 Thread Leland Jackson
Geoff Flight wrote: > One of the things techo-boffins seem to forget is that in business the > Operating System means zip to the user and senior management. They want > APPLICATIONS - not foundations. Does anyone remember the first IBM PCs and > lotus 1-2-3? People bought LOTUS BOXES not DOS boxes.

RE: [NF] c# .net and databases

2008-12-15 Thread Dave Crozier
Al, You can use any type of data "table/source" you need with ADO. And once you have actioned the "SQL Select" you can then use the OLEDBReader class to access the data. A simple example is at: http://www.devarticles.com/c/a/ADO.NET/Data-Access-in-.NET-using-C-sharp-Par t-1/ Wrap everything up in

Re: [NF] Why do you think Vista sucks?

2008-12-15 Thread Kevin Cully
Most people count what distro is reported in web browsing. That's fairly accurate, I would say but even I have a plugin that will report my Firefox on Linux to be IE on WinXP for when I go to my banks web site. -Kevin CULLY Technologies, LLC Stephen Russell wrote: Can you count dowloads of dist

Re: [NF] c# .net and databases

2008-12-15 Thread Stephen Russell
On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 10:12 AM, Allen wrote: > I had guessed that's the sql way. What I was actually looking for was if > data could be used in c# without it being server driven. In other words data > like vfp uses it. The disconnect is fine but I was looking for I suppose the > equivalent of fr

RE: Why not push Linux to your customer, was Why do you think Vista sucks?

2008-12-15 Thread Michael Madigan
Linux is great for servers. Linux is great for applications like cell phones, pdas, cable TV boxes, dvrs gps machines, etc. Linux on the desktop is not going to happen. If I went into my customers and said "Let's change everything you have over to Linux", they'd fire me. They are all used t

Re: Why not push Linux to your customer, was Why do you think Vista sucks?

2008-12-15 Thread Stephen Russell
On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 9:23 AM, Ed Leafe wrote: > On Dec 15, 2008, at 9:42 AM, MB Software Solutions General Account > wrote: > >>> Exactly - if Linux had the breadth and choice in applications that >>> businesses actually use, like payroll and accounts and CRM, they'd >>> be all >>> over it. But

RE: Why not push Linux to your customer, was Why do you think Vistasucks?

2008-12-15 Thread Matt Jarvis
> -Original Message- > From: profoxtech-boun...@leafe.com [mailto:profoxtech-boun...@leafe.com] > On Behalf Of Leland Jackson > I suspect the lack of payroll module for Linux has something to do with > most Linux Apps being more internationalized than USA based accounting > systems. It's

Re: [NF] Why do you think Vista sucks?

2008-12-15 Thread Kevin Cully
Dang. I can't find it now! I installed it on my wife's computer so she could access the school systems site which didn't work with non IE browsers. Yes, they had a Javascript error, and I even provided them with a fix for the malformed Javascript but they never implemented it. Sigh. Long story

RE: [NF] c# .net and databases

2008-12-15 Thread Allen
I never did really like dbc's. Nothing but trouble in the past. But that's not the reason. I would like to be able to copy paste data from one machine to another easily. I don't think SQL can do that. Al -Original Message- From: profoxtech-boun...@leafe.com [mailto:profoxtech-boun...@leaf

[OT] For Steve Russell

2008-12-15 Thread MB Software Solutions General Account
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/too Merry Christmas, _Stephen! :-) ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/prof

Re: Why not push Linux to your customer, was Why do you think Vista sucks?

2008-12-15 Thread Paul Hill
On Sun, Dec 14, 2008 at 11:29 PM, Ted Roche wrote: > On Sun, Dec 14, 2008 at 1:37 PM, Paul Hill wrote: >> >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_nt >> >> "NT supported per-object (file, function, and role) access control >> lists allowing a rich set of security permissions to be applied to >> sy

[OT] "Miss Constitution" to push Russia "brand"

2008-12-15 Thread Pete Theisen
Hi Everybody! http://www.latimes.com/news/printedition/front/la-fg-missconstitution13-2008dec13,0,368070.story or http://tinyurl.com/6cnhxl -- Regards, Pete http://pete-theisen.com/ ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: h

RE: Why not push Linux to your customer, was Why do you think Vista sucks?

2008-12-15 Thread Rick Schummer
>> So what's the hold-up?<< Simple, two words: Market Share. Rick White Light Computing, Inc. www.whitelightcomputing.com www.swfox.net www.rickschummer.com ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/l

RE: Why not push Linux to your customer, was Why do you think Vista sucks?

2008-12-15 Thread Allen
Its funny that the programs you mention are available for free on Linux. Or windows for that matter (open office). But I know what you mean, it's the programs that don't appear on Linux. Allen -Original Message- From: profoxtech-boun...@leafe.com [mailto:profoxtech-boun...@leafe.com] On B

Re: Why not push Linux to your customer, was Why do you think Vista sucks?

2008-12-15 Thread Stephen Russell
On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 7:40 AM, Paul Hill wrote: > On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 2:35 AM, Stephen Russell > wrote: >> On Sun, Dec 14, 2008 at 8:12 AM, Ted Roche wrote: >>> On Sun, Dec 14, 2008 at 6:53 AM, Paul Hill wrote: Security Windows has been as good as Linux/Unix since Windows NT (t

Re: Why not push Linux to your customer, was Why do you think Vista sucks?

2008-12-15 Thread Alan Bourke
On Mon, 15 Dec 2008 10:42:51 -0500 (EST), "MB Software Solutions General Account" said: > So what's the hold-up? Chicken-and-egg situation I would imagine. The apps won't appear unless the installed base is there, and vice versa. -- Alan Bourke alanpbou...@fastmail.fm _

RE: [NF] c# .net and databases

2008-12-15 Thread Alan Bourke
On Mon, 15 Dec 2008 10:28:20 -0500, "Charlie Coleman" said: > Are you sure ADO is the current gospel preached by MS? ADO.Net, and Entity Framework this week. -- Alan Bourke alanpbou...@fastmail.fm ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscr

Re: [NF] Why do you think Vista sucks?

2008-12-15 Thread Ted Roche
On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 11:36 AM, Kevin Cully wrote: > Yes, they had a Javascript error, and I even provided them > with a fix for the malformed Javascript but they never implemented it. > Sigh. Long story short is that we pulled our kids out of school and are > now home schooling them. Over a

Re: Why not push Linux to your customer, was Why do you think Vista sucks?

2008-12-15 Thread Paul McNett
MB Software Solutions General Account wrote: >> Exactly - if Linux had the breadth and choice in applications that >> businesses actually use, like payroll and accounts and CRM, they'd be all >> over it. But unfortunately that isn't the case yet. -- > > > So what's the hold-up? The hold up is th

RE: [NF] c# .net and databases

2008-12-15 Thread Alan Bourke
On Mon, 15 Dec 2008 17:12:37 +0100, "Allen" said: > The disconnect is fine but I was looking for I suppose > the > equivalent of free tables in VFP. > You won't find it. There is no magic bullet that will give you the same integrated RAD ability like VFP has. You can get a lot of the way there by

[OT] Yankees Sign Iraqi Hurler

2008-12-15 Thread Ed Leafe
http://www.borowitzreport.com/article.aspx?ID=6969 ( -or- http://tinyurl.com/5dyl5z ) - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - "In their latest bid to beef up their pitching rotation for the 2009 season, the New York Yankees today signed Iraqi journalist Muntadar

Re: Why not push Linux to your customer, was Why do you think Vista sucks?

2008-12-15 Thread Alan Bourke
On Mon, 15 Dec 2008 10:32:31 -0600, "Stephen Russell" said: > > > there are plenty of business apps in the multi OS market, but they are > not at all the tiny scope that our readers here focus on. There is > JDE, SAP just to name a few. > Sure, there's the Johnny Big Cigars stuff. I'm talking

RE: Why not push Linux to your customer, was Why do you thinkVista sucks?

2008-12-15 Thread Allen
So that just about sums it up for Linux then . Al -Original Message- From: profoxtech-boun...@leafe.com [mailto:profoxtech-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Alan Bourke Chicken-and-egg situation I would imagine. The apps won't appear unless the installed base is there, and vice versa. _

Re: Why not push Linux to your customer, was Why do you think Vista sucks?

2008-12-15 Thread Paul Hill
On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 1:53 PM, Ted Roche wrote: > But they can't run ActiveX controls :) > > Sure, they can still activate trojan horses, but it takes them more work. tar -zxvf malware-0.25b.tzr.gz cd malware-0.25b sh configure make make install I see what you mean :-) -- Paul

Re: [NF] c# .net and databases

2008-12-15 Thread Ed Leafe
On Dec 15, 2008, at 11:28 AM, Alan Bourke wrote: > You won't find it. There is no magic bullet that will give you the > same > integrated RAD ability like VFP has. You can get a lot of the way > there > by abstracting the data as far away as you can. For example use an > object-relational mapp

[OT] Slimmies celebrate 21 years of HAMAS

2008-12-15 Thread Pete Theisen
Hi Everybody! http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/12/14/AR2008121402453.html Jimmy Carter was on hand to congratulate them. Wherever America's enemies are, he is as well. -- Regards, Pete http://pete-theisen.com/ ___ Post Mess

Re: [OT] For Steve Russell

2008-12-15 Thread Stephen Russell
On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 11:18 AM, MB Software Solutions General Account wrote: > http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/too > > Merry Christmas, _Stephen! > :-) Thanks! Same for you and I hope you get time with your kids over the holiday. How does the GF and the kids work out? Never met ye

Re: [OT] Yankees Sign Iraqi Hurler

2008-12-15 Thread Pete Theisen
Ed Leafe wrote: > http://www.borowitzreport.com/article.aspx?ID=6969 > ( -or- http://tinyurl.com/5dyl5z ) Hi Ed! The report misspelled it. It is Hitler. -- Regards, Pete http://pete-theisen.com/ ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Ma

[NF - sorta] Credit Card Processing

2008-12-15 Thread Kenneth Kixmoeller/fh
Hey - - - - - My current web app has an eCommerce aspect, for which we need to do web-based credit card processing. I have found this process among the most frustrating of my professional life. The processing company has been as unresponsive beyond belief. It has taken us *months* just to g

Re: [NF - sorta] Credit Card Processing

2008-12-15 Thread Kevin Cully
I'm writing a shopping cart based on the West-Wind cart right now. We've decided to process CCs from their desktop system for this very reason. If there's a problem with the order, they'll call the client. -Kevin CULLY Technologies, LLC Kenneth Kixmoeller/fh wrote: > Anybody out there have expe

Re: [OT] Yankees Sign Iraqi Hurler

2008-12-15 Thread Michael Madigan
He'll be playing next year at the Yankee farm team at Guantanamo. * Impeach Blagojevich http://www.cafepress.com/rightwingmike --- On Mon, 12/15/08, Ed Leafe wrote: > From: Ed Leafe > Subject: [OT] Yankees Sign Iraqi Hurler > To: "ProFox Maili

Re: [NF] Why do you think Vista sucks?

2008-12-15 Thread Kevin Cully
LOL! I made is sound like that, didn't I!!! :D The school system is so broken, we decided we just couldn't begin to try to fix it, and risk our kids. The problem with schools is EVERYTHING. Facilities, administration, teachers, government (local, state, federal), parents and students. All part

Re: [NF - sorta] Credit Card Processing

2008-12-15 Thread Michael Madigan
Take a look at paypal.com. they have set up some really easy tools for the average guy to set up and get running. > > > Kenneth Kixmoeller/fh wrote: > > Anybody out there have experience with interacting > with CC processing > > companies? Gateway providers? Our Processor: Chase > PaymenTech?

[NF - sorta] Credit Card Processing

2008-12-15 Thread phphelp -- kbk
Hey - - - - - My current web app has an eCommerce aspect, for which we need to do web-based credit card processing. I have found this process among the most frustrating of my professional life. The processing company has been as unresponsive beyond belief. It has taken us *months* just to g

Re: [NF] Verizon tech admits service rolling disconnects

2008-12-15 Thread Pete Theisen
Leland Jackson wrote: >> Printed out about 30 pages of logs and settings. Hi Leland! So after all that I hooked up the new modem and it wouldn't do anything. After an hour with the tech (the seventh or eighth one) he said wait three hours and call me again. I hung up, put the old one back on a

Re: Why not push Linux to your customer, was Why do you think Vista sucks?

2008-12-15 Thread MB Software Solutions General Account
On Mon, December 15, 2008 12:27 pm, Paul McNett wrote: > My client is becoming impressed with the price/performance of some Linux > systems I've configured for them using older equipment. But to switch on a > mass scale they'd need to evaluate whether they really need MS Office > instead of OpenOff

Re: [NF - sorta] Credit Card Processing

2008-12-15 Thread Paul McNett
Kenneth Kixmoeller/fh wrote: > Advice, real-world experience (and the usual WAGs) appreciated. Back in 1996-1998 I successfully used VISANET for a client, for a web app and for a desktop app (same merchant number in each). They had published API's back then, so I'd hope they haven't screwed it

Re: [NF] Verizon tech admits service rolling disconnects

2008-12-15 Thread Michael Madigan
See if you can get better service with the cable company. They may have a 6-month introductory deal too. --- On Mon, 12/15/08, Pete Theisen wrote: > From: Pete Theisen > Subject: Re: [NF] Verizon tech admits service rolling disconnects > To: "ProFox Email List" > Date: Monday, December 15

Re: [NF - sorta] Credit Card Processing

2008-12-15 Thread Paul McNett
Kevin Cully wrote: > I'm writing a shopping cart based on the West-Wind cart right now. > We've decided to process CCs from their desktop system for this very > reason. If there's a problem with the order, they'll call the client. You probably still want to check the validity of the card, or get

Re: [NF] Why do you think Vista sucks?

2008-12-15 Thread MB Software Solutions General Account
On Mon, December 15, 2008 2:08 pm, Kevin Cully wrote: > LOL! I made is sound like that, didn't I!!! :D > > > The school system is so broken, we decided we just couldn't begin to try > to fix it, and risk our kids. The problem with schools is EVERYTHING. > Facilities, administration, teachers, go

Re: [NF - sorta] Credit Card Processing

2008-12-15 Thread Paul McNett
Michael Madigan wrote: > Take a look at paypal.com. they have set up some really easy tools for the > average guy to set up and get running. The problem with going with a 3rd-party is that customers get understandably confused when they don't recognize the merchant on their bill. Much better,

[OT] Bleed the World

2008-12-15 Thread Ed Leafe
This holiday season, take some time to remember those who don't have it as well as you do. http://www.bleedtheworld.com/ -- Ed Leafe ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox

RE: [NF] c# .net and databases

2008-12-15 Thread Geoff Flight
Not really... keep in mind that EVERY language/tool eventually dies. Im just choosing the latest one. It is also Bill Gates personal favourite (basic) so I'm also tipping it won't die while he is still alive no matter what. But I must admit the learning curve for .net was stepper than I expected. I

RE: [NF] c# .net and databases

2008-12-15 Thread Geoff Flight
I learned cobol '68 back a LONG LONG TIME ago (I can still remember). I don't miss it at all. -Original Message- From: profox-boun...@leafe.com [mailto:profox-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Stephen Russell Sent: Tuesday, 16 December 2008 1:25 AM To: ProFox Email List Subject: Re: [NF] c#

RE: [NF] c# .net and databases

2008-12-15 Thread Geoff Flight
The ADO way thru .NET seems confusing at first because VFP was just SO simple and easy. But eventually it makes sense. It was my hardest learning curve - getting used to the fact that data access was 1000 times harder than in fox. -Original Message- From: profox-boun...@leafe.com [mailto:p

RE: [NF] c# .net and databases

2008-12-15 Thread MB Software Solutions General Account
On Mon, December 15, 2008 2:53 pm, Geoff Flight wrote: > Not really... keep in mind that EVERY language/tool eventually dies. Im > just choosing the latest one. It is also Bill Gates personal favourite > (basic) so > I'm also tipping it won't die while he is still alive no matter what. But > I > mu

Re: [NF - sorta] Credit Card Processing

2008-12-15 Thread Ken Kixmoeller/fh
On Dec 15, 2008, at 1:16 PM, Michael Madigan wrote: > Take a look at paypal.com. they have set up some really easy tools > for the average guy to set up and get running. You can process credit cards on Chase PaymenTech via PayPal??? Ken ___ Post M

RE: Why not push Linux to your customer, was Why do you think Vista sucks?

2008-12-15 Thread Geoff Flight
The cross-platform apps are what will give linux validity. If .net apps could be ported to linux then linux could be used a lot more. -Original Message- From: profox-boun...@leafe.com [mailto:profox-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Ed Leafe Sent: Tuesday, 16 December 2008 1:54 AM To: ProFox

Re: [NF - sorta] Credit Card Processing

2008-12-15 Thread Ken Kixmoeller/fh
> We've decided to process CCs from their desktop system for this very > reason. Kevin - - -- Do I understand you to say that you are just gathering the card information and manually processing them? Ken ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subsc

Re: [NF - sorta] Credit Card Processing

2008-12-15 Thread Ken Kixmoeller/fh
On Dec 15, 2008, at 1:48 PM, Paul McNett wrote: > Michael Madigan wrote: >> Take a look at paypal.com. they have set up some really easy >> tools for the average guy to set up and get running. > > The problem with going with a 3rd-party is that customers get > understandably confused > when

Re: [NF] Verizon tech admits service rolling disconnects

2008-12-15 Thread Leland Jackson
Pete Theisen wrote: > Leland Jackson wrote: > > >>> Printed out about 30 pages of logs and settings. >>> > > Hi Leland! > > So after all that I hooked up the new modem and it wouldn't do anything. > After an hour with the tech (the seventh or eighth one) he said wait > three hours and c

RE: Why not push Linux to your customer, was Why do you think Vista sucks?

2008-12-15 Thread MB Software Solutions General Account
On Mon, December 15, 2008 3:01 pm, Geoff Flight wrote: > The cross-platform apps are what will give linux validity. If .net apps > could be ported to linux then linux could be used a lot more. ...and that's why M$ doesn't really want to make DotNet apps portable to Linux, perhaps?

Re: [NF] Why do you think Vista sucks?

2008-12-15 Thread Kevin Cully
Truly, there wasn't much to do. Word processing, spreadsheets, TuxMath, Internet browsing, printing. For what they need, I don't think they needed much coaching or teaching. My parents successfully transitioned from Windows ME to Ubuntu and they have called me twice in over two years. Once was

Re: [NF - sorta] Credit Card Processing

2008-12-15 Thread Kevin Cully
The company already has a desktop application that they process the CCs through. The plan is that they'll receive an email when there is an internet order. They press the button to bring down the orders and into their system. From that point on, they process the order as if they entered it thems

Re: [NF - sorta] Credit Card Processing

2008-12-15 Thread Michael Madigan
I believe they do something like "pay pal - XYZ corp" but I'm not certain on that one. --- On Mon, 12/15/08, Paul McNett wrote: From: Paul McNett Subject: Re: [NF - sorta] Credit Card Processing To: profox@leafe.com Date: Monday, December 15, 2008, 2:48 PM Michael Madigan wrote: > Take a l

Re: [NF - sorta] Credit Card Processing

2008-12-15 Thread Michael Madigan
Here's the paypal merchant payment info page https://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=_wp-standard-overview-outside&nav=2.0.0 * --- On Mon, 12/15/08, Ken Kixmoeller/fh wrote: > From: Ken Kixmoeller/fh > Subject: Re: [NF - sorta] Credit Card

Re: [NF - sorta] Credit Card Processing

2008-12-15 Thread Ken Kixmoeller/fh
On Dec 15, 2008, at 2:20 PM, Michael Madigan wrote: > Here's the paypal merchant payment info page Thanks, I looked at it when you sent it before, but I thought you knew something more. I'd love not to be, but we are stuck with the processor we have. The question is more about whether to use

Re: [OT] Bleed the World

2008-12-15 Thread Leland Jackson
It's to bad about the current economy, but thing could have been much worse. If President Bush would have succeeded in privatizing social security, it might have freed enough government funds to launch a pre-emptive war against Iran, while keeping the housing bubble and Dow Joones Industrial a

RE: [NF] c# .net and databases

2008-12-15 Thread Geoff Flight
I wish they could have made a VFP.NET!!! I kinda see why but still it would have been nice to leverage all the .net niceties and retain great local data abilities and a language that is less obtuse than C# or VB! But unless someone has big enough pockets to buy VFP and do that to it it aint gonna h

[OT] What a bag!

2008-12-15 Thread Pete Theisen
Hi Everybody! Dang, how did she get so ugly? She was such a cutie as a child! http://www.nytimes.com/imagepages/2008/12/15/nyregion/15cnd-caroline2.ready.html I know, it is being a liberal past age 30 that does it. -- Regards, Pete http://pete-theisen.com/ ___

Re: [NF] Verizon tech admits service rolling disconnects

2008-12-15 Thread Pete Theisen
Michael Madigan wrote: > See if you can get better service with the cable company. They may > have a 6-month introductory deal too. Hi Michael! It might be all right now. Hasn't dropped in 20 minutes and I don't notice the speed difference. Printed out about 30 pages of logs and settings.

Grids, UI's & MS Standards - Oh my!

2008-12-15 Thread Kurt Wendt
One of our clients have complained that our Browse screens for selection of data does not act like Standard MS interface designs. In particular, being able to select one line of data - then scrolling down and clicking on another line of data while holding down the Shift key - to select a range of r

RE: [NF] c# .net and databases

2008-12-15 Thread Allen
I'm not convinced so far :) Al -Original Message- From: profoxtech-boun...@leafe.com [mailto:profoxtech-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of MB Software Solutions General Account Yes! It's all about your marketability!!! VFP might be great, but not many are hiring for it, and less and less

Re: Why not push Linux to your customer, was Why do you think Vista sucks?

2008-12-15 Thread Paul McNett
MB Software Solutions General Account wrote: >> So, my client is already seeing *tangible business benefit* from having a >> cross-platform application instead of a Windows-only application. I >> expect these benefits to increase over time. > > Very cool...what industry is served by your app? Wi

Re: [NF - sorta] Credit Card Processing

2008-12-15 Thread Paul McNett
Ken Kixmoeller/fh wrote: > On Dec 15, 2008, at 1:48 PM, Paul McNett wrote: > >> Michael Madigan wrote: >>> Take a look at paypal.com. they have set up some really easy >>> tools for the average guy to set up and get running. >> The problem with going with a 3rd-party is that customers get >>

Re: Why not push Linux to your customer, was Why do you think Vista sucks?

2008-12-15 Thread Paul McNett
MB Software Solutions General Account wrote: > On Mon, December 15, 2008 3:01 pm, Geoff Flight wrote: >> The cross-platform apps are what will give linux validity. If .net apps >> could be ported to linux then linux could be used a lot more. > > > ...and that's why M$ doesn't really want to make

Re: [NF - sorta] Credit Card Processing

2008-12-15 Thread Paul McNett
Kevin Cully wrote: > The company already has a desktop application that they process the CCs > through. The plan is that they'll receive an email when there is an > internet order. They press the button to bring down the orders and into > their system. From that point on, they process the order

Re: Grids, UI's & MS Standards - Oh my!

2008-12-15 Thread Ed Leafe
On Dec 15, 2008, at 2:42 PM, Kurt Wendt wrote: > One of our clients have complained that our Browse screens for > selection > of data does not act like Standard MS interface designs. In > particular, > being able to select one line of data - then scrolling down and > clicking > on another li

RE: Grids, UI's & MS Standards - Oh my!

2008-12-15 Thread Tracy Pearson
A listbox with MultiSelect = .T. -Original Message- From: Kurt Wendt Sent: Monday, December 15, 2008 3:42 PM One of our clients have complained that our Browse screens for selection of data does not act like Standard MS interface designs. In particular, being able to select one line of da

Re: [NF - sorta] Credit Card Processing

2008-12-15 Thread Kevin Cully
Yup. I'm saving the last four digits unaltered in its own field called cc4, but I'm encrypting the CC number and never storing the original CC number. All communication on checkout and download will be SSL. -Kevin CULLY Technologies, LLC Paul McNett wrote: > Kevin Cully wrote: >> The company a

Re: [NF] c# .net and databases

2008-12-15 Thread Ed Leafe
On Dec 15, 2008, at 1:53 PM, Geoff Flight wrote: > Not really... keep in mind that EVERY language/tool eventually dies. Some die of natural causes such as old age; others are smothered with a pillow to force people to buy something else. The good thing about languages such as P

RE: [NF] c# .net and databases

2008-12-15 Thread Alan Bourke
On Tue, 16 Dec 2008 06:59:37 +1030, "Geoff Flight" said: > I wish they could have made a VFP.NET!!! I kinda see why but still it > would > have been nice to leverage all the .net niceties and retain great local > data > abilities and a language that is less obtuse than C# or VB! You might find o

Re: [NF - sorta] Credit Card Processing

2008-12-15 Thread Ken Kixmoeller/fh
On Dec 15, 2008, at 2:48 PM, Paul McNett wrote: > I know you know this, but you better strongly encrypt that personal > information > for the timeframe between entry and processing, and you better > erase that card number > when you are done processing! Yeah, my client is doing this manually

Re: [NF] Why do you think Vista sucks?

2008-12-15 Thread Ed Leafe
On Dec 15, 2008, at 2:09 PM, Kevin Cully wrote: > My parents successfully transitioned from Windows ME to Ubuntu and > they > have called me twice in over two years. Once was when their digital > camera wouldn't be recognized by Ubuntu. Turns out the camera's > batteries had died. Once replac

Re: Why not push Linux to your customer, was Why do you think Vista sucks?

2008-12-15 Thread Ed Leafe
On Dec 15, 2008, at 2:47 PM, Paul McNett wrote: > Apparently, you can use Mono to compile and deploy .net apps to > Linux. I have no idea > if it actually works in practice, though. Using a *very* limited subset of the .Net classes. Most full .Net apps will not run under Mono because

Re: Why not push Linux to your customer, was Why do you think Vista sucks?

2008-12-15 Thread Ed Leafe
On Dec 15, 2008, at 2:01 PM, Geoff Flight wrote: > The cross-platform apps are what will give linux validity. If .net > apps > could be ported to linux then linux could be used a lot more. Or... Imagine creating x-plat apps from the start, without the need to force others to

Re: [NF] c# .net and databases

2008-12-15 Thread Stephen Russell
On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 1:57 PM, Geoff Flight wrote: > The ADO way thru .NET seems confusing at first because VFP was just SO > simple and easy. But eventually it makes sense. It was my hardest learning > curve - getting used to the fact that data access was 1000 times harder than > in fox. --

Re: [NF - sorta] Credit Card Processing

2008-12-15 Thread Paul Hill
On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 8:48 PM, Paul McNett wrote: > Kevin Cully wrote: >> The company already has a desktop application that they process the CCs >> through. The plan is that they'll receive an email when there is an >> internet order. They press the button to bring down the orders and into >>

TUDBC - Totally Unified Database Access

2008-12-15 Thread Alan Bourke
"Visual FoxPro (New!)" Hadn't seen this before - it could be useful for using VFP data from a different language. http://www.tudbc.org/ -- Alan Bourke alanpbou...@fastmail.fm ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http:

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