Re: Gmail and spam, a request

2020-03-22 Thread Wietse Venema
Peter: > On 21/03/20 4:06 am, Wietse Venema wrote: > > Would it help if the postfix list used "dmarc mitigation" so that > > the From header does not contain your email address: > > Well, in this particular case I'm seeing three messages from Jaroslaw > end up in spam. Google says that all three

Re: Gmail and spam, a request

2020-03-22 Thread Franck MAHE
Hi Wietse, > Would it help if the postfix list used "dmarc mitigation" so that > the From header does not contain your email address: Well, in this particular case I'm seeing three messages from Jaroslaw end up in spam. Google says that all three pass DMARC and DKIM and SPF is neutral. Also

Re: Gmail and spam, a request

2020-03-22 Thread Alex JOST
Am 20.03.2020 um 16:06 schrieb Wietse Venema: Jaroslaw Rafa: Hello all members of this list, I have a kind request to all of you related to deliverability of my messages. Please help. Currently I have an issue (again; the previous one from a few months ago was resolved) with my messages sent t

Re: Gmail and spam, a request

2020-03-22 Thread Wietse Venema
Franck MAHE: > Hi Wietse, > > >> > Would it help if the postfix list used "dmarc mitigation" so that > >> > the From header does not contain your email address: > >> > >> Well, in this particular case I'm seeing three messages from Jaroslaw > >> end up in spam. Google says that all three pass DM

Re: Gmail and spam, a request

2020-03-22 Thread Peter
On 23/03/20 3:40 am, Wietse Venema wrote: Would removing Jaroslaw's email address would have changed the 'spam' ruling? We don't know that without further measurements. Right, no real way to tell. At the end of the day it's a matter of jumping through as many hoops as we can and hope that it'

Re: Gmail and spam, a request

2020-03-22 Thread Viktor Dukhovni
On Mon, Mar 23, 2020 at 10:42:29AM +1300, Peter wrote: > > That could be a hack like this (in Postfix or Majordomo): > > - In Postfix, trigger on listmanager envelope address info > > - Munge From: (combining original From: and listmanager envelope address > > info). > > - Munge Reply-To: (using

Re: Gmail and spam, a request

2020-03-22 Thread Peter
On 23/03/20 4:23 am, Wietse Venema wrote: Coming back to the original problem, that Gmail was flagging Jaroslaw's non-list messages as spam. Would removing Jaroslaw's email address from Postfix list mail have changed the 'spam' disposition of his non-list messages? The response from Gmail staff i

Re: Gmail and spam, a request

2020-03-22 Thread Peter
On 23/03/20 10:55 am, Viktor Dukhovni wrote: ARC signing might be helpful, but I don't think we need to do anything at all. With just one user having issues, the problem is most likely upstream. It's not just one user. I regularly have to pluck messages from my Spam folder coming from this l

Re: Gmail and spam, a request

2020-03-22 Thread Viktor Dukhovni
On Mon, Mar 23, 2020 at 11:03:43AM +1300, Peter wrote: > On 23/03/20 10:55 am, Viktor Dukhovni wrote: > > ARC signing might be helpful, but I don't think we need to do anything > > at all. With just one user having issues, the problem is most likely > > upstream. > > It's not just one user. I r

Re: Gmail and spam, a request

2020-03-22 Thread Peter
On 23/03/20 11:09 am, Viktor Dukhovni wrote: On Mon, Mar 23, 2020 at 11:03:43AM +1300, Peter wrote: On 23/03/20 10:55 am, Viktor Dukhovni wrote: ARC signing might be helpful, but I don't think we need to do anything at all. With just one user having issues, the problem is most likely upstream