Re: smtpd_recipient_restrictions evaluation question

2009-11-01 Thread mouss
/dev/rob0 a écrit : > On Sunday 01 November 2009 12:24:54 mouss wrote: >> Simon Morvan a écrit : >>> Le 30/10/2009 16:05, /dev/rob0 a écrit : [snip] Consider Zen here. It also incorporates the (not-quite-so) new PBL, which has been very effective here. >>> The last time I tried

Re: smtpd_recipient_restrictions evaluation question

2009-11-01 Thread Sahil Tandon
On Sun, 01 Nov 2009, Simon Morvan wrote: [blah blah] > And how am I supposed to send mail from my own mail server if I > don't trust my ISP mail relay nor have $$$ to have a colo space and > my own IP space ? > > And, Stan, you refuse mails from my ISP mail relay... (the second > biggest in Fran

Re: smtpd_recipient_restrictions evaluation question

2009-11-01 Thread /dev/rob0
On Sunday 01 November 2009 12:24:54 mouss wrote: > Simon Morvan a écrit : > > Le 30/10/2009 16:05, /dev/rob0 a écrit : > >>[snip] > >> > >> Consider Zen here. It also incorporates the (not-quite-so) new PBL, > >> which has been very effective here. > > > > The last time I tried it, Zen included too

Re: smtpd_recipient_restrictions evaluation question

2009-11-01 Thread mouss
Simon Morvan a écrit : > Le 30/10/2009 16:05, /dev/rob0 a écrit : >>[snip] >>> >> Consider Zen here. It also incorporates the (not-quite-so) new PBL, >> which has been very effective here. >> >> > The last time I tried it, Zen included too many legitimate users behind > ADSL lines. The "P

Re: smtpd_recipient_restrictions evaluation question

2009-11-01 Thread Daniel V. Reinhardt
- Original Message > From: Simon Morvan > To: postfix-users@postfix.org > Sent: Sun, November 1, 2009 2:37:14 PM > Subject: Re: smtpd_recipient_restrictions evaluation question > > Daniel V. Reinhardt a écrit : > > - Original Message > >

Re: smtpd_recipient_restrictions evaluation question

2009-11-01 Thread Simon Morvan
Daniel V. Reinhardt a écrit : - Original Message From: Stan Hoeppner To: postfix-users@postfix.org Sent: Sun, November 1, 2009 1:00:30 PM Subject: smtpd_recipient_restrictions evaluation question Simon Morvan put forth on 11/1/2009 4:20 AM: That's prevent rejectio

Re: smtpd_recipient_restrictions evaluation question

2009-11-01 Thread Jerry
On Sun, 01 Nov 2009 07:00:30 -0600 Stan Hoeppner replied: [snip] >Net Neutrality has nothing to do with SMTP receivers. It has >everything to do with network carriers and QOS. You have no inherent >right to send email to _my_ MX, nor anyone else's. Your rights end >where mine begin. > If I ch

Re: smtpd_recipient_restrictions evaluation question

2009-11-01 Thread Daniel V. Reinhardt
- Original Message > From: Stan Hoeppner > To: postfix-users@postfix.org > Sent: Sun, November 1, 2009 1:00:30 PM > Subject: smtpd_recipient_restrictions evaluation question > > Simon Morvan put forth on 11/1/2009 4:20 AM: > > > That's prevent rejec

smtpd_recipient_restrictions evaluation question

2009-11-01 Thread Stan Hoeppner
Simon Morvan put forth on 11/1/2009 4:20 AM: > That's prevent rejection but also prevent my ability to ensure my > freedom to use the network : > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Network_neutrality > > That's will be my last message on-list for this topic but feel free to > keep on discuss this off-l

Re: smtpd_recipient_restrictions evaluation question

2009-11-01 Thread Simon Morvan
Stan Hoeppner a écrit : Simon Morvan put forth on 10/31/2009 12:30 PM: And why shouldn't be able to use my own mail server behind my private residential ADSL line ? You should be able to. Here's how to implement the outbound mail portion to prevent mass rejections: http://www.hardwa

smtpd_recipient_restrictions evaluation question

2009-10-31 Thread Stan Hoeppner
Simon Morvan put forth on 10/31/2009 12:30 PM: > And why shouldn't be able to use my own mail server behind my private > residential ADSL line ? You should be able to. Here's how to implement the outbound mail portion to prevent mass rejections: http://www.hardwarefreak.com/postfix-adsl-relay-c

Re: smtpd_recipient_restrictions evaluation question

2009-10-31 Thread Simon Morvan
Mikael Bak a écrit : Larry Stone wrote: On Fri, 30 Oct 2009, Mikael Bak wrote: Simon Morvan wrote: The last time I tried it, Zen included too many legitimate users behind ADSL lines. The "Policy" behind PBL is a bit too restrictive. Maybe it changed, I'll give it another try.

Re: smtpd_recipient_restrictions evaluation question

2009-10-30 Thread Mikael Bak
Larry Stone wrote: > On Fri, 30 Oct 2009, Mikael Bak wrote: > >> Simon Morvan wrote: >>> The last time I tried it, Zen included too many legitimate users behind >>> ADSL lines. The "Policy" behind PBL is a bit too restrictive. Maybe it >>> changed, I'll give it another try. >> >> Can you please te

Re: smtpd_recipient_restrictions evaluation question

2009-10-30 Thread Larry Stone
On Fri, 30 Oct 2009, Mikael Bak wrote: Simon Morvan wrote: The last time I tried it, Zen included too many legitimate users behind ADSL lines. The "Policy" behind PBL is a bit too restrictive. Maybe it changed, I'll give it another try. Can you please tell me why an ADSL user would send legit

smtpd_recipient_restrictions evaluation question

2009-10-30 Thread Stan Hoeppner
Simon Morvan put forth on 10/30/2009 10:39 AM: > The last time I tried it, Zen included too many legitimate users behind > ADSL lines. The "Policy" behind PBL is a bit too restrictive. Maybe it > changed, I'll give it another try. Would you please elaborate a bit on this? Most of the listings in

Re: smtpd_recipient_restrictions evaluation question

2009-10-30 Thread Noel Jones
On 10/30/2009 2:28 PM, Stan Hoeppner wrote: Stan Hoeppner put forth on 10/30/2009 2:23 PM: I don't have reject_unauth_destination. I guess which parameter one needs to implement depends on whether one uses local deliver? Should have proofread that... I meant I do not have reject_unlisted_re

Re: smtpd_recipient_restrictions evaluation question

2009-10-30 Thread Markus Schönhaber
Stan Hoeppner: > I only have reject_unauth_destination on my relay-only server, and > sending to an invalid recipient address returns: > > 550 5.1.1 : Recipient address rejected: User unknown > in relay recipient table > > I don't have reject_unauth_destination. I guess which parameter one > ne

smtpd_recipient_restrictions evaluation question

2009-10-30 Thread Stan Hoeppner
Stan Hoeppner put forth on 10/30/2009 2:23 PM: > I don't have reject_unauth_destination. I guess which parameter one > needs to implement depends on whether one uses local deliver? Should have proofread that... I meant I do not have reject_unlisted_recipient defined. However, the docs say it's

smtpd_recipient_restrictions evaluation question

2009-10-30 Thread Stan Hoeppner
Markus Schönhaber put forth on 10/30/2009 10:05 AM: > Simon Morvan: > >> I notice that event if the recipient address doesn't exists, the >> check_policy_service (greylist) got evaluated, causing higher load than >> needed. Isn't reject_unauth_destination there to block inexistent >> recipients

Re: smtpd_recipient_restrictions evaluation question

2009-10-30 Thread Mikael Bak
Simon Morvan wrote: >> Consider Zen here. It also incorporates the (not-quite-so) new PBL, >> which has been very effective here. >> > The last time I tried it, Zen included too many legitimate users behind > ADSL lines. The "Policy" behind PBL is a bit too restrictive. Maybe it > changed, I'll

Re: smtpd_recipient_restrictions evaluation question

2009-10-30 Thread Simon Morvan
Le 30/10/2009 16:05, /dev/rob0 a écrit : On Friday 30 October 2009 09:52:44 Simon Morvan wrote: Hello folks, I've got some checks setup like that : smtpd_recipient_restrictions = reject_non_fqdn_sender, reject_unknown_sender_domain, reject_non_fqdn_recipient, reject_unknown

Re: smtpd_recipient_restrictions evaluation question

2009-10-30 Thread /dev/rob0
On Friday 30 October 2009 09:52:44 Simon Morvan wrote: > Hello folks, > > I've got some checks setup like that : > > smtpd_recipient_restrictions = >reject_non_fqdn_sender, >reject_unknown_sender_domain, >reject_non_fqdn_recipient, >reject_unknown_recipient_domain, >permit_mynet

Re: smtpd_recipient_restrictions evaluation question

2009-10-30 Thread Markus Schönhaber
Simon Morvan: > I notice that event if the recipient address doesn't exists, the > check_policy_service (greylist) got evaluated, causing higher load than > needed. Isn't reject_unauth_destination there to block inexistent > recipients ? No, that's what reject_unlisted_recipient is for. -- R

smtpd_recipient_restrictions evaluation question

2009-10-30 Thread Simon Morvan
Hello folks, I've got some checks setup like that : smtpd_recipient_restrictions = reject_non_fqdn_sender, reject_unknown_sender_domain, reject_non_fqdn_recipient, reject_unknown_recipient_domain, permit_mynetworks, reject_unauth_destination, reject_invalid_helo_hostname, reject_