Re: Prevention of sending authentication via plaintext on port 25.

2016-12-10 Thread Wietse Venema
COrreaction: smtp should br smtpd. Corrected text follows. John: > I have submission sasl set as Venema suggests, should/would it a good > idea to add "smtpd_sasl_auth_enable=no" to the smtp entry in master.cf, > or is the default "good enough". If you're concerned that SASL will be enabled by

Re: Prevention of sending authentication via plaintext on port 25.

2016-12-09 Thread Wietse Venema
John: > I have submission sasl set as Venema suggests, should/would it a good > idea to add "smtp_sasl_auth_enable=no" to the smtp entry in master.cf, > or is the default "good enough". If you're concerned that SASL will be enabled by accident, you could set "smtp_sasl_auth_enable=no" in main.cf

Re: Prevention of sending authentication via plaintext on port 25.

2016-12-09 Thread John
I have submission sasl set as Venema suggests, should/would it a good idea to add "smtp_sasl_auth_enable=no" to the smtp entry in master.cf, or is the default "good enough". On 03/12/16 10:10 AM, Wietse Venema wrote: rich.gre...@hushmail.com: There are ports that exist for encrypted transfe

Re: Prevention of sending authentication via plaintext on port 25.

2016-12-03 Thread Wietse Venema
rich.gre...@hushmail.com: > $ telnet example.com 25 > Trying 87.138.xxx.yyy... > Connected to example.com. > Escape character is '^]'. > 220 example.com ESMTP Postfix (Ubuntu) > ehlo example.com > 250-example.com > 250-PIPELINING > 250-SIZE 1024 > 250-VRFY > 250-ETRN > 250-STARTTLS > 250-AUTH P

Re: Prevention of sending authentication via plaintext on port 25.

2016-12-03 Thread Wietse Venema
rich.gre...@hushmail.com: > I suspected that was a typo. I figured it out. > > I made those changes, when I attempt an AUTH LOGIN, I get back "535 5.7.8 > Error: authentication failed: UGFzc3dvcmQ6" which seems to be appropriate. You still have AUTH enabled on port 25. Wietse

Re: Prevention of sending authentication via plaintext on port 25.

2016-12-03 Thread rich . greder
On 12/3/2016 at 10:45 AM, "John Fawcett" wrote: > >On 12/03/2016 05:25 PM, rich.gre...@hushmail.com wrote: >> Here I am, replying to my own post again. What I said in the >prior post wasn't entirely true. I realized that I used the wrong >password in my prior attempt. I am still granted acc

Re: Prevention of sending authentication via plaintext on port 25.

2016-12-03 Thread Victoriano Giralt
El 03/12/16 a las 17:25, rich.gre...@hushmail.com escribió: > So I'm somewhat confused how to prevent/discourage users from sending > their authentication detail in the clear when there are secure methods > that exist (such as, $ openssl s_client -starttls smtp -connect > example.com:587) We woul

Re: Prevention of sending authentication via plaintext on port 25.

2016-12-03 Thread John Fawcett
correcting my own typo now On 12/03/2016 05:44 PM, John Fawcett wrote: > On 12/03/2016 05:25 PM, rich.gre...@hushmail.com wrote: >> Here I am, replying to my own post again. What I said in the prior post >> wasn't entirely true. I realized that I used the wrong password in my prior >> attempt.

Re: Prevention of sending authentication via plaintext on port 25.

2016-12-03 Thread John Fawcett
On 12/03/2016 05:25 PM, rich.gre...@hushmail.com wrote: > Here I am, replying to my own post again. What I said in the prior post > wasn't entirely true. I realized that I used the wrong password in my prior > attempt. I am still granted access to the SMTP service after authenticating > in pl

Re: Prevention of sending authentication via plaintext on port 25.

2016-12-03 Thread rich . greder
Here I am, replying to my own post again. What I said in the prior post wasn't entirely true. I realized that I used the wrong password in my prior attempt. I am still granted access to the SMTP service after authenticating in plaintext on port 25. So I'm somewhat confused how to prevent/dis

Re: Prevention of sending authentication via plaintext on port 25.

2016-12-03 Thread rich . greder
I suspected that was a typo. I figured it out. I made those changes, when I attempt an AUTH LOGIN, I get back "535 5.7.8 Error: authentication failed: UGFzc3dvcmQ6" which seems to be appropriate. So the user is no longer rewarded with access to the SMTP services when they attempt to connect u

Re: Prevention of sending authentication via plaintext on port 25.

2016-12-03 Thread Wietse Venema
John Fawcett: > On 12/03/2016 04:10 PM, Wietse Venema wrote: > > rich.gre...@hushmail.com: > >> There are ports that exist for encrypted transfer of this data > >> (such as 465, 587). What is the current state of the art for > >> preventing the user's client software from being able to do this > >

Re: Prevention of sending authentication via plaintext on port 25.

2016-12-03 Thread John Fawcett
On 12/03/2016 04:10 PM, Wietse Venema wrote: > rich.gre...@hushmail.com: >> There are ports that exist for encrypted transfer of this data >> (such as 465, 587). What is the current state of the art for >> preventing the user's client software from being able to do this >> (sending their authentic

Re: Prevention of sending authentication via plaintext on port 25.

2016-12-03 Thread Wietse Venema
rich.gre...@hushmail.com: > There are ports that exist for encrypted transfer of this data > (such as 465, 587). What is the current state of the art for > preventing the user's client software from being able to do this > (sending their authentication details plaintext)? Is it safe to > simply b

Prevention of sending authentication via plaintext on port 25.

2016-12-03 Thread rich . greder
I love to go and see what I can get away with using telnet. I decided to send and check email from the command line. Since I consider my test location to be low risk, I decided to try to send my password plaintext over port 25. I was a moderately surprised that it did work, as seen below in t