Re: SPF and greylisting conditioning

2010-09-26 Thread Stan Hoeppner
junkyardma...@frontier.com put forth on 9/26/2010 5:30 PM: > Which makes their domain an easy target for block lists. > > http://www.spamhaus.org/query/dbl?domain=takeprettypictures.net I can't seem to locate the "reason" page. I see nothing that says this domain was listed due to, ahem, creativ

Re: Where do my rejected email go

2010-09-26 Thread Wietse Venema
Larry Stone: > On 9/26/10 6:59 PM, Stefan Monnier at monn...@iro.umontreal.ca wrote: > > >> If the mail cannot be returned to the return address, it is for all > >> practical purposes discarded. > > > > That describes the behavior I see, but in the case where the mail > > originates locally, thi

Re: SPF and greylisting conditioning

2010-09-26 Thread Henrik K
On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 12:49:40AM +0200, Michal Bruncko wrote: > Hello > > Thank you for pointing me. It was just my quick idea but as you > wrote, perhaps many spammers have valid spf records and thus, my > spam checking will be less spam resistant. I have no problem not GREYLISTING things that

Re: Where do my rejected email go

2010-09-26 Thread Larry Stone
On 9/26/10 6:59 PM, Stefan Monnier at monn...@iro.umontreal.ca wrote: >> If the mail cannot be returned to the return address, it is for all >> practical purposes discarded. > > That describes the behavior I see, but in the case where the mail > originates locally, this behavior is clearly subop

Re: Where do my rejected email go

2010-09-26 Thread Miles Fidelman
Postfix is a Mail TRANSFER Agent; it is not a Mail STORAGE Agent. Think of it like a bricks and mortar post office and mail. If mail is undeliverable, it is returned to the return address. Once returned, the post office is done with it; the post office does not archive a copy. If the mail

Re: Where do my rejected email go

2010-09-26 Thread Noel Jones
On 9/26/2010 6:59 PM, Stefan Monnier wrote: I understand it can't send it anywhere (at least in my case, if the relayhost rejects the message, there's nowhere to send the message and/or the bounce), but can't it save the email in some local file, at least? Especially when the email originated loc

Re: Where do my rejected email go

2010-09-26 Thread Stefan Monnier
>> I understand it can't send it anywhere (at least in my case, if the >> relayhost rejects the message, there's nowhere to send the message >> and/or the bounce), but can't it save the email in some local file, >> at least? >> Especially when the email originated locally (i.e. was not received via

Re: Problem with Mail not Reaching its Destination

2010-09-26 Thread Shane Dittmar
I got it working, thanks guys. (After a crapload of reading) I really appreciate all of the help you guys have given. On 9/26/10, Noel Jones wrote: > On 9/26/2010 6:28 PM, mouss wrote: >> Le 27/09/2010 00:36, Noel Jones a écrit : >>> On 9/26/2010 10:28 AM, Shane Dittmar wrote: On 9/26/10, J

Re: Problem with Mail not Reaching its Destination

2010-09-26 Thread Noel Jones
On 9/26/2010 6:28 PM, mouss wrote: Le 27/09/2010 00:36, Noel Jones a écrit : On 9/26/2010 10:28 AM, Shane Dittmar wrote: On 9/26/10, Jeroen Geilman wrote: On 09/26/2010 04:30 PM, Shane Dittmar wrote: The address (sh...@example.com) is defined as a virtual alias. To what ? If you DO want to

Re: Where do my rejected email go

2010-09-26 Thread Noel Jones
On 9/26/2010 6:23 PM, Stefan Monnier wrote: Postfix attempts to return bounced mail to the envelope sender address. If postfix receives a permanent error when trying to deliver the bounce message to the envelope sender, then the mail is discarded to prevent loops. Evidence of what happened and wh

Re: Where do my rejected email go

2010-09-26 Thread Larry Stone
On 9/26/10 6:23 PM, Stefan Monnier at monn...@iro.umontreal.ca wrote: >> Postfix attempts to return bounced mail to the envelope sender address. >> If postfix receives a permanent error when trying to deliver the bounce >> message to the envelope sender, then the mail is discarded to prevent loops

Re: Problem with Mail not Reaching its Destination

2010-09-26 Thread mouss
Le 27/09/2010 00:36, Noel Jones a écrit : On 9/26/2010 10:28 AM, Shane Dittmar wrote: On 9/26/10, Jeroen Geilman wrote: On 09/26/2010 04:30 PM, Shane Dittmar wrote: The address (sh...@example.com) is defined as a virtual alias. To what ? If you DO want to deliver to example.com, then it M

Re: Where do my rejected email go

2010-09-26 Thread Stefan Monnier
> Postfix attempts to return bounced mail to the envelope sender address. > If postfix receives a permanent error when trying to deliver the bounce > message to the envelope sender, then the mail is discarded to prevent loops. > Evidence of what happened and why is always recorded in the mail log.

Re: Where do my rejected email go

2010-09-26 Thread Noel Jones
On 9/26/2010 5:52 PM, Stefan Monnier wrote: [ Fourth try to send this message. Hopefully this one will get through and hopefully the other ones won't. ] [ BTW, the policy of "silently discard email from non-subscribed addresses"of postfix-users is really obnoxious. ] I'm using Postfix to

Where do my rejected email go

2010-09-26 Thread Stefan Monnier
[ Fourth try to send this message. Hopefully this one will get through and hopefully the other ones won't. ] [ BTW, the policy of "silently discard email from non-subscribed addresses"of postfix-users is really obnoxious. ] I'm using Postfix to send email (via a relayhost) from my laptop (nev

Re: SPF and greylisting conditioning

2010-09-26 Thread Michal Bruncko
Hello Thank you for pointing me. It was just my quick idea but as you wrote, perhaps many spammers have valid spf records and thus, my spam checking will be less spam resistant. and Michael, thank you for your hint. On 26. 9. 2010 12:08, Stan Hoeppner wrote: Michal Bruncko put forth on 9/

Re: Problem with Mail not Reaching its Destination

2010-09-26 Thread Noel Jones
On 9/26/2010 3:33 PM, mouss wrote: Le 26/09/2010 16:30, Shane Dittmar a écrit : On 9/26/10, Magnus Bäck wrote: On Sunday, September 26, 2010 at 12:58 CEST, Shane Dittmar wrote: [...] I saw this message in the log: warning: do not list domain example.com in BOTH mydestination and virtual_mail

Re: Problem with Mail not Reaching its Destination

2010-09-26 Thread Noel Jones
On 9/26/2010 10:28 AM, Shane Dittmar wrote: On 9/26/10, Jeroen Geilman wrote: On 09/26/2010 04:30 PM, Shane Dittmar wrote: The address (sh...@example.com) is defined as a virtual alias. To what ? If you DO want to deliver to example.com, then it MUST BE a virtual mailbox domain. Not listin

Re: SPF and greylisting conditioning

2010-09-26 Thread JunkYardMail1
Which makes their domain an easy target for block lists. http://www.spamhaus.org/query/dbl?domain=takeprettypictures.net -- From: "mouss" Sent: Sunday, September 26, 2010 1:38 PM To: Subject: Re: SPF and greylisting conditioning Le 26/09/2010

Re: SPF and greylisting conditioning

2010-09-26 Thread fakessh
Le dimanche 26 septembre 2010 23:46, mouss a écrit : > Le 26/09/2010 23:28, fakessh a écrit : > > Le dimanche 26 septembre 2010 22:38, mouss a écrit : > >>Le 26/09/2010 12:08, Stan Hoeppner a écrit : > >>> Michal Bruncko put forth on 9/26/2010 4:24 AM: > It is possible in some way to con

Re: SPF and greylisting conditioning

2010-09-26 Thread mouss
Le 26/09/2010 23:28, fakessh a écrit : Le dimanche 26 septembre 2010 22:38, mouss a écrit : Le 26/09/2010 12:08, Stan Hoeppner a écrit : Michal Bruncko put forth on 9/26/2010 4:24 AM: It is possible in some way to configure postfix, that SPF Passed mails will be automatically accepted with

Re: SPF and greylisting conditioning

2010-09-26 Thread fakessh
Le dimanche 26 septembre 2010 22:38, mouss a écrit : > Le 26/09/2010 12:08, Stan Hoeppner a écrit : > > Michal Bruncko put forth on 9/26/2010 4:24 AM: > >> It is possible in some way to configure postfix, that SPF Passed mails > >> will be automatically accepted with postfix without greylisting?

Re: "pure" virtual and program delivery

2010-09-26 Thread mouss
Le 25/09/2010 20:09, Toni Mueller a écrit : [snip] thanks for the hints. I've tried again. Now I can see that: email=# select * from transport_map where email ilike '%bugs%'; id | email | transport +--+--- 11 | r...@bugs.oeko.net | local: 10 | bugs.o

Re: SPF and greylisting conditioning

2010-09-26 Thread mouss
Le 26/09/2010 12:08, Stan Hoeppner a écrit : Michal Bruncko put forth on 9/26/2010 4:24 AM: It is possible in some way to configure postfix, that SPF Passed mails will be automatically accepted with postfix without greylisting? If I may be blunt: this is a really dumb idea. Many, maybe all,

Re: Problem with Mail not Reaching its Destination

2010-09-26 Thread mouss
Le 26/09/2010 16:30, Shane Dittmar a écrit : On 9/26/10, Magnus Bäck wrote: On Sunday, September 26, 2010 at 12:58 CEST, Shane Dittmar wrote: [...] I saw this message in the log: warning: do not list domain example.com in BOTH mydestination and virtual_mailbox_domains So I removed t

Re: SPF and greylisting conditioning

2010-09-26 Thread Michael Orlitzky
On 09/26/10 05:24, Michal Bruncko wrote: > Hello list > > I am using postfix (v 2.7.0) with sender policy framework > (postfix-policyd-spf-perl-2.001) and greylisting (postgrey-1.32) with > following configuration: > > smtpd_recipient_restrictions = > ... > check_policy_service unix:private

Re: Problem with Mail not Reaching its Destination

2010-09-26 Thread Shane Dittmar
On 9/26/10, Jeroen Geilman wrote: > On 09/26/2010 04:30 PM, Shane Dittmar wrote: >> The address (sh...@example.com) is defined as a virtual alias. > > To what ? > > If you DO want to deliver to example.com, then it MUST BE a virtual > mailbox domain. > > Not listing it when you have no clue what t

Re: Problem with Mail not Reaching its Destination

2010-09-26 Thread Jeroen Geilman
On 09/26/2010 04:30 PM, Shane Dittmar wrote: The address (sh...@example.com) is defined as a virtual alias. To what ? If you DO want to deliver to example.com, then it MUST BE a virtual mailbox domain. Not listing it when you have no clue what the effect is, is never good. -- J.

Re: Problem with Mail not Reaching its Destination

2010-09-26 Thread Shane Dittmar
On 9/26/10, Magnus Bäck wrote: > On Sunday, September 26, 2010 at 12:58 CEST, > Shane Dittmar wrote: > > [...] > >> I saw this message in the log: warning: do not list domain example.com >> in BOTH mydestination and virtual_mailbox_domains >> >> So I removed the domain from mydestination. No

Re: Problem with Mail not Reaching its Destination

2010-09-26 Thread Magnus Bäck
On Sunday, September 26, 2010 at 12:58 CEST, Shane Dittmar wrote: [...] > I saw this message in the log: warning: do not list domain example.com > in BOTH mydestination and virtual_mailbox_domains > > So I removed the domain from mydestination. Now, when I attempt to > send mail (I'm doing

Re: Problem with Mail not Reaching its Destination

2010-09-26 Thread Shane Dittmar
Okay, I got syslogd running (and I now feel thurroughly stupid) Now here is the issue: I had originally placed the domain name I'm attempting to send mail to in the mydestination parameter as well as adding it as a virtual domain. The net result was that it appears from this log that it assumes I

Re: SPF and greylisting conditioning

2010-09-26 Thread Stan Hoeppner
Michal Bruncko put forth on 9/26/2010 4:24 AM: > It is possible in some way to configure postfix, that SPF Passed mails > will be automatically accepted with postfix without greylisting? If I may be blunt: this is a really dumb idea. Many, maybe all, snowshoe spammers have valid SPF records. T

SPF and greylisting conditioning

2010-09-26 Thread Michal Bruncko
Hello list I am using postfix (v 2.7.0) with sender policy framework (postfix-policyd-spf-perl-2.001) and greylisting (postgrey-1.32) with following configuration: smtpd_recipient_restrictions = ... check_policy_service unix:private/policy check_policy_service unix:/var/spool/postfix/postg