Re: A question about plain and cram-md5 authentication mechanisms

2009-11-10 Thread Ali Majdzadeh
Patrick, Hi Thanks for your mail. I use the following options in smtpd.conf: mech_list: gssapi plain pwcheck_method: saslauthd saslauthd_path: /var/run/saslauthd/mux keytab: /etc/krb5.keytab and I am able to use GSSAPI and PLAIN (Over PAM using pam_krb5.so) mechanisms. How is it possible to add c

Re: A question about plain and cram-md5 authentication mechanisms

2009-11-10 Thread Patrick Ben Koetter
* Ali Majdzadeh : > Hello All > Is it possible to have both PLAIN and CRAM-MD5 authentication > mechanisms using SASL? Yes. The password must be stored as plaintext. Then plaintext and shared-secret mechanisms will work. p...@rick -- All technical questions asked privately will be automatically

Re: A question about plain and cram-md5 authentication mechanisms

2009-11-10 Thread Magnus Bäck
On Wed, November 11, 2009 7:29 am, Ali Majdzadeh said: > Is it possible to have both PLAIN and CRAM-MD5 authentication > mechanisms using SASL? Yes. -- Magnus Bäck mag...@dsek.lth.se

Re: Blacklisted on Verizon

2009-11-10 Thread ram
On Tue, 2009-11-10 at 17:07 -0500, Chris Arnold wrote: > Hello list! We are being blacklisted every few days from verizon. This > is less important right now as I need to find out if/who is sending > spam from the email server or if the server is an open relay. I am > less inclined to think postf

Re: newaliases problem with root user

2009-11-10 Thread ram
On Wed, 2009-11-11 at 11:44 +0530, Manoj Burande wrote: > Hello Wietse, > > Thanks for your reply. > > Can you please guide me on how to use postfix "newaliases"?. I have > already stopped sendmail on the server. And still it is using sendmail > newaliases". Can you please tell me how to d

答复: 答复: who know how does initial_de stination_concurrency and default_destin ation_concurrency_limit work?

2009-11-10 Thread coofucoo zhang
Hi Noel: I just want to control the sending speed of postfix. Because some of ISP complain me that my speed is too fast. So I want to make postfix send a little slowly. I am not sure how can I accomplish this target, so I set up a test ENV to do testing, to make sure how can I implement it. Then I

A question about plain and cram-md5 authentication mechanisms

2009-11-10 Thread Ali Majdzadeh
Hello All Is it possible to have both PLAIN and CRAM-MD5 authentication mechanisms using SASL? Best Regards Ali Majdzadeh Kohbanani

Re: newaliases problem with root user

2009-11-10 Thread Manoj Burande
Hello Wietse, Thanks for your reply. Can you please guide me on how to use postfix "newaliases"?. I have already stopped sendmail on the server. And still it is using sendmail newaliases". Can you please tell me how to do that? > Manoj Burande: >> /etc/aliases: 77 aliases, longest 36 bytes,

Re: access table problems

2009-11-10 Thread Olivier Nicole
And seeing that the guy is blocking email by country, I really wonder why I took time replying to him.

Re: access table problems

2009-11-10 Thread Olivier Nicole
> When I run these through postmap -q I a get a "REJECT" return. When I > add a fourth octect to the postmap -q input, I get nothing. I've been > beating me head on the desk whilst re-reading man 5 access, and I can't > figure out why real addresses matching these class C subnets aren't > returni

access table problems

2009-11-10 Thread Stan Hoeppner
When I run these through postmap -q I a get a "REJECT" return. When I add a fourth octect to the postmap -q input, I get nothing. I've been beating me head on the desk whilst re-reading man 5 access, and I can't figure out why real addresses matching these class C subnets aren't returning "REJECT

analyzing a large deferred queue

2009-11-10 Thread Miles Fidelman
Hi Folks, The current discussion re. Verizon blacklisting has been very interesting in terms of log analysis suggestions. It leads me to ask what seems to be a related question re. a problem I've been having lately. Over the past couple of weeks I've seen my deferred queue get a LOT larger

Re: Relaying problems

2009-11-10 Thread Victor Duchovni
On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 09:01:45PM -0500, Alex wrote: > Reading from a message in the second queue waiting to be delivered, > the source IP is not one from the pop-before-smtp database "Is not now" is not the same as "was not then". > and is not > from the internal network. You have shown no co

Re: Blacklisted on Verizon

2009-11-10 Thread Olivier Nicole
Hi, > Hello list! We are being blacklisted every few days from verizon. This is > less important right now as I need to find out if/who is sending spam from > the email server or if the server is an open relay. I am less inclined to > think postfix (which is what we use) is an open relay. More inc

Re: Blacklisted on Verizon

2009-11-10 Thread Aaron Wolfe
On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 9:14 PM, Stan Hoeppner wrote: > /dev/rob0 put forth on 11/10/2009 7:58 PM: >> On Tuesday 10 November 2009 19:21:04 Chris Arnold wrote: >>> OK, nothing stands out from pflogsumm.pl: >> >> Nothing? >> >>> Per-Day Traffic Summary >>>     date          received  delivered   def

Blacklisted on Verizon

2009-11-10 Thread Stan Hoeppner
/dev/rob0 put forth on 11/10/2009 7:58 PM: > On Tuesday 10 November 2009 19:21:04 Chris Arnold wrote: >> OK, nothing stands out from pflogsumm.pl: > > Nothing? > >> Per-Day Traffic Summary >> date received delivered deferredbounced rejected >> -

Re: Blacklisted on Verizon

2009-11-10 Thread Chris Arnold
On 11/10/09 8:58 PM, "/dev/rob0" wrote: > On Tuesday 10 November 2009 19:21:04 Chris Arnold wrote: >> OK, nothing stands out from pflogsumm.pl: > > Nothing? > >> Per-Day Traffic Summary >> date received delivered deferredbounced rejected >> -

Blacklisted on Verizon

2009-11-10 Thread Stan Hoeppner
Chris Arnold put forth on 11/10/2009 7:56 PM: > On 11/10/09 8:36 PM, "Stan Hoeppner" wrote: > >> Chris Arnold put forth on 11/10/2009 7:21 PM: >> >>> Don't want to post the whole pflogsumm file as 1 it is very long and 2 there >>> are somethings that don't need to be shared on a mailinglist :) >>

Re: Blacklisted on Verizon

2009-11-10 Thread /dev/rob0
On Tuesday 10 November 2009 19:21:04 Chris Arnold wrote: > OK, nothing stands out from pflogsumm.pl: Nothing? > Per-Day Traffic Summary > date received delivered deferredbounced rejected > > Nov

Relaying problems

2009-11-10 Thread Alex
Hi, Some time ago I posted my smtpd_recipient_restrictions because I was having a problem with unauthorized relaying (basically I had become an open relay!), and received some suggestions. However, I think there is still a problem and I'm open to relaying. I'm still using postfix-1.x, set up with

Re: Blacklisted on Verizon

2009-11-10 Thread Chris Arnold
On 11/10/09 8:36 PM, "Stan Hoeppner" wrote: > Chris Arnold put forth on 11/10/2009 7:21 PM: > >> Don't want to post the whole pflogsumm file as 1 it is very long and 2 there >> are somethings that don't need to be shared on a mailinglist :) >> What are some things I should be looking for in the

Blacklisted on Verizon

2009-11-10 Thread Stan Hoeppner
Chris Arnold put forth on 11/10/2009 7:21 PM: > Don't want to post the whole pflogsumm file as 1 it is very long and 2 there > are somethings that don't need to be shared on a mailinglist :) > What are some things I should be looking for in the pflogsumm.pl report? You should be concentrating you

Re: Blacklisted on Verizon

2009-11-10 Thread Chris Arnold
OK, nothing stands out from pflogsumm.pl: Grand Totals messages 15607 received 15755 delivered 0 forwarded 40 deferred (391 deferrals) 128 bounced 1115 rejected (6%) 0 reject warnings 0 held 0 discarded (0%) 685m bytes

Blacklisted on Verizon

2009-11-10 Thread Stan Hoeppner
Chris Arnold put forth on 11/10/2009 6:47 PM: > OK, I have gotten access to the mail server and have downloaded > pflogsumm.pl. I have followed the readme and chown and chmod. Did not > copy the man page. Run perl pflogsumm.pl and nothing happens; it just > sits there. I untar’ed the gz file that w

Re: Blacklisted on Verizon

2009-11-10 Thread d . hill
Quoting Miles Fidelman : d.h...@yournetplus.com wrote: Quoting Chris Arnold : OK, I have gotten access to the mail server and have downloaded pflogsumm.pl. I have followed the readme and chown and chmod. Did not copy the man page. The man page does state if no file(s) are specified, it read

Re: Blacklisted on Verizon

2009-11-10 Thread Miles Fidelman
d.h...@yournetplus.com wrote: Quoting Chris Arnold : OK, I have gotten access to the mail server and have downloaded pflogsumm.pl. I have followed the readme and chown and chmod. Did not copy the man page. The man page does state if no file(s) are specified, it reads from stdin. Therefore,

Re: Blacklisted on Verizon

2009-11-10 Thread d . hill
Quoting Chris Arnold : OK, I have gotten access to the mail server and have downloaded pflogsumm.pl. I have followed the readme and chown and chmod. Did not copy the man page. The man page does state if no file(s) are specified, it reads from stdin. Therefore, you need to specify the file or

Re: Blacklisted on Verizon

2009-11-10 Thread Chris Arnold
OK, I have gotten access to the mail server and have downloaded pflogsumm.pl. I have followed the readme and chown and chmod. Did not copy the man page. Run perl pflogsumm.pl and nothing happens; it just sits there. I untar¹ed the gz file that was downloaded and that made a dir pflogsumm-1.1.1 and

Re: mysql transport failover

2009-11-10 Thread Wietse Venema
micah anderson: > > I was talking about DIFFERENT hosts instead of repeating the same > > hostname in the Postfix config file. > > That makes sense. > > However, the mysql_table(5) doesn't specify in the MYSQL PARAMETERS > section that the 'hosts' parameter can take different ports. The The nam

Re: Blacklisted on Verizon

2009-11-10 Thread Justin C. Le Grice
Chris Arnold wrote: Hello list! We are being blacklisted every few days from verizon. This is less important right now as I need to find out if/who is sending spam from the email server or if the server is an open relay. I am less inclined to think postfix (which is what we use) is an open rel

Re: mysql transport failover

2009-11-10 Thread micah anderson
Excerpts from wietse's message of Tue Nov 10 17:22:57 -0500 2009: > micah anderson: > > > > hosts = mysql-cluster1 mysql-cluster1 > > > > > > This repeats the query only if the session breaks. However, the > > > hosts are tried without delay, so this is unlikely to be a solution > > > for ke

Re: mysql transport failover

2009-11-10 Thread Wietse Venema
micah anderson: > > > hosts = mysql-cluster1 mysql-cluster1 > > > > This repeats the query only if the session breaks. However, the > > hosts are tried without delay, so this is unlikely to be a solution > > for kernel panics. > > > > Consider configuring more than one mysql server. > > Ac

Blacklisted on Verizon

2009-11-10 Thread Chris Arnold
Hello list! We are being blacklisted every few days from verizon. This is less important right now as I need to find out if/who is sending spam from the email server or if the server is an open relay. I am less inclined to think postfix (which is what we use) is an open relay. More inclined to thin

Re: mysql transport failover

2009-11-10 Thread micah anderson
Excerpts from wietse's message of Tue Nov 10 15:45:38 -0500 2009: > micah anderson: > > > If anything should retry the query, then it would be the mysql > > > client. The proxymap can't make such decisions (for example, it > > > makes no sense to retry after a read error from a local file). > > >

Re: mysql transport failover

2009-11-10 Thread Wietse Venema
micah anderson: > > If anything should retry the query, then it would be the mysql > > client. The proxymap can't make such decisions (for example, it > > makes no sense to retry after a read error from a local file). > > > > And in fact, the mysql client does implement retry logic. It retries >

Re: Required sender email address while table lookup for rejecting mails for unknown local users

2009-11-10 Thread Magnus Bäck
On Tuesday, November 10, 2009 at 07:49 CET, "Arora, Sumit" wrote: > I'm using mysql local_recipient_maps for rejecting email for unknown > local users. > > Here are the changes in my main.cf > > local_recipient_maps = proxy:unix:passwd.byname $alias_maps > virtual_alias_maps = mysql:/etc/

Re: ????: who know how does initial_destination_concurrency and default_destination_concurrency_limit work?

2009-11-10 Thread Victor Duchovni
On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 01:36:28PM -0600, Noel Jones wrote: > At least read the docs before you start twiddling knobs. > http://www.postfix.org/SCHEDULER_README.html > http://www.postfix.org/QSHAPE_README.html > http://www.postfix.org/TUNING_README.html Note, some of the content in SCHEDULER_READ

Re: mysql transport failover

2009-11-10 Thread micah anderson
Excerpts from wietse's message of Mon Nov 09 17:06:11 -0500 2009: > Micah Anderson: > > I would like to reduce the mysql transport retry time (or perhaps the > > proxymap retry time?), is there a variable that I can tweak down to > > reduce the time between retries of mysql transport connection los

Re: proper way to handle error from sendmail front-end in C

2009-11-10 Thread Angus March
Victor Duchovni wrote: > On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 01:22:47PM -0500, Angus March wrote: > > >> And finally, what was sent to the standard error: >> sendmail: warning: -f option specified malformed sender: angus uducat.com >> sendmail: fatal: No recipient addresses found in message header >>

Re: 答复: who know how does initial_desti nation_concurrency and default_destination_con currency_limit work?

2009-11-10 Thread Noel Jones
On 11/10/2009 8:51 AM, Coofucoo Zhang wrote: > Hi Petrik: > Thanks. > But could you tell me why? Or which knobs can I use instead? I just want to > control the sending speed of postfix, how can implement? > What's wrong with postfix default delivery scheduling that it needs to be changed? Descri

Re: proper way to handle error from sendmail front-end in C

2009-11-10 Thread Wietse Venema
Stan Hoeppner: > Angus March put forth on 11/10/2009 12:22 PM: > > > The Postfix I'm using is the rpm that comes with SLE 10: > > postfix-2.2.9-10.23. If what you say is correct, then this sendmail > > operation is buggy. > > Probably unrelated to your current issue, but you should consider > upg

Re: proper way to handle error from sendmail front-end in C

2009-11-10 Thread Wietse Venema
Angus March: > > If there is an ERROR, the Postfix sendmail command will NOT enqueue > > the message, and it will return a non-zero exit status code as > > defined in /usr/include/sysexits.h. > sendmail: fatal: No recipient addresses found in message header That is an ERROR. The Postfix sendmail

proper way to handle error from sendmail front-end in C

2009-11-10 Thread Stan Hoeppner
Angus March put forth on 11/10/2009 12:22 PM: > The Postfix I'm using is the rpm that comes with SLE 10: > postfix-2.2.9-10.23. If what you say is correct, then this sendmail > operation is buggy. Probably unrelated to your current issue, but you should consider upgrading your Postfix to at least

Re: proper way to handle error from sendmail front-end in C

2009-11-10 Thread Victor Duchovni
On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 01:22:47PM -0500, Angus March wrote: > And finally, what was sent to the standard error: > sendmail: warning: -f option specified malformed sender: angus uducat.com > sendmail: fatal: No recipient addresses found in message header This exits with EX_USAGE. Either you are n

Re: proper way to handle error from sendmail front-end in C

2009-11-10 Thread Angus March
Wietse Venema wrote: > Angus March: > >>> No, that was a WARNING. >>> >>> warning: -f option specified malformed sender >>> >>> If there is an ERROR, the Postfix sendmail command will NOT enqueue >>> the message, and it will return a non-zero exit status code as >>> defined in /usr/include/s

Re: [Fwd: Re: proper way to handle error from sendmail front-end in C]

2009-11-10 Thread Wietse Venema
Angus March: > > If sendmail(1) is unable to en-queue a message, it reports an error. > > In all other cases (message en-queued), error reporting is asynchronous. > > > Well, that's the problem here. There was no bounce, obviously, since > the sender was bogus, and sendmail's return value (a

[Fwd: Re: proper way to handle error from sendmail front-end in C]

2009-11-10 Thread Angus March
--- Begin Message --- Victor Duchovni wrote: > On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 10:54:10AM -0500, Angus March wrote: > > >> I have a C program that calls Postfix's sendmail front-end using execv() >> (after calling fork()). I also have a waitpid() on the process, which >> diligently checks the status v

Re: proper way to handle error from sendmail front-end in C

2009-11-10 Thread Victor Duchovni
On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 11:54:43AM -0500, Angus March wrote: > > If sendmail(1) is unable to en-queue a message, it reports an error. > > In all other cases (message en-queued), error reporting is asynchronous. > > Well, that's the problem here. There was no bounce, obviously, since > the sender w

Re: Server-side mail filtering (postfix+cyrus-imap)

2009-11-10 Thread Julien Vehent
On 11/10/2009 02:35 PM, Eero Volotinen wrote: nunatarsuaq wrote: Anybody knows how to set up server-side filtering using Sieve? My server is running openSuse with postfix and cyrus-imap. I guess both of them have to be somehow configured to use Sieve as a filter. I need to move all messages ma

Re: proper way to handle error from sendmail front-end in C

2009-11-10 Thread Angus March
Victor Duchovni wrote: > On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 10:54:10AM -0500, Angus March wrote: > > >> I have a C program that calls Postfix's sendmail front-end using execv() >> (after calling fork()). I also have a waitpid() on the process, which >> diligently checks the status value returned by sendma

Re: proper way to handle error from sendmail front-end in C

2009-11-10 Thread Wietse Venema
Angus March: > I have a C program that calls Postfix's sendmail front-end using execv() > (after calling fork()). I also have a waitpid() on the process, which > diligently checks the status value returned by sendmail. I tried to > sabotage an e-mail by inserting a sender that is un-RFC822, and th

Re: proper way to handle error from sendmail front-end in C

2009-11-10 Thread Victor Duchovni
On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 10:54:10AM -0500, Angus March wrote: > I have a C program that calls Postfix's sendmail front-end using execv() > (after calling fork()). I also have a waitpid() on the process, which > diligently checks the status value returned by sendmail. I tried to > sabotage an e-mai

Re: Transport map

2009-11-10 Thread Dhiraj Chatpar
Just try the following.. i think that should help. Enter this in the main.cf transport_maps = regexp:/etc/postfix/transport.regexp transport.regexp should have the following content. if !/@locally.handled.domain.com$ / /^[a-f]/ smtp1: /^[g-j]/ smtp2: /^[l-q]/ smtp3: /^[r-w]/

proper way to handle error from sendmail front-end in C

2009-11-10 Thread Angus March
I have a C program that calls Postfix's sendmail front-end using execv() (after calling fork()). I also have a waitpid() on the process, which diligently checks the status value returned by sendmail. I tried to sabotage an e-mail by inserting a sender that is un-RFC822, and there were errors sent

Transport map

2009-11-10 Thread Stan Hoeppner
Marc Silver put forth on 11/10/2009 2:23 AM: > Hi, > > On Tue, 10 Nov 2009 09:03:56 +0200, Jack Knowlton > wrote: >> Is it possible to have a transport map with a regular expression? What I >> want is to use an external relay server for all the emails to be >> delivered >> on Yahoo domains (eg, y

答复: who know how does initial_destinat ion_concurrency and default_destination_ concurrency_limit work?

2009-11-10 Thread Coofucoo Zhang
Hi Petrik: Thanks. But could you tell me why? Or which knobs can I use instead? I just want to control the sending speed of postfix, how can implement? -邮件原件- 发件人: Patrik Rak [mailto:pat...@raxoft.cz] 发送时间: 2009年11月10日 18:18 收件人: coofucoo zhang 抄送: postfix-users@postfix.org 主题: Re: who

Re: Transport map

2009-11-10 Thread Noel Jones
On 11/10/2009 2:23 AM, Marc Silver wrote: Hi, On Tue, 10 Nov 2009 09:03:56 +0200, Jack Knowlton wrote: Is it possible to have a transport map with a regular expression? What I want is to use an external relay server for all the emails to be delivered on Yahoo domains (eg, yahoo.com, yahoo.co.u

Re: Server-side mail filtering (postfix+cyrus-imap)

2009-11-10 Thread Eero Volotinen
nunatarsuaq wrote: Anybody knows how to set up server-side filtering using Sieve? My server is running openSuse with postfix and cyrus-imap. I guess both of them have to be somehow configured to use Sieve as a filter. I need to move all messages marked as spam (by SpamAssasin) to user's "Junk" fo

RE: Required sender email address while table lookup for rejecting mails for unknown local users

2009-11-10 Thread Arora, Sumit
Sorry!! Could not find anything relevant Need help! -Original Message- From: owner-postfix-us...@postfix.org [mailto:owner-postfix-us...@postfix.org] On Behalf Of suomi Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 3:05 PM To: postfix-users@postfix.org Subject: Re: Required sender email address w

Re: Setting up mail gateway questions.

2009-11-10 Thread Daniel L'Hommedieu
On Nov 9, 2009, at 20:48, Cameron Smith wrote: We have a private network on our lan and a public network on our lan. We want to put a mail gateway running postfix in the public network and have it be the point of entry and egress for the other mail servers also running postfix on both our pu

Re: who know how does initial_destination_concurrency and default_destination_concurrency_limit work?

2009-11-10 Thread Wietse Venema
coofucoo zhang: > HI ALL: > > I try to understand how the initial_destination_concurrency and > default_destination_concurrency_limit work? How can it support to improve > the output of delivery. I do a small test. > > I config the postfix like this: > > qmgr_message_active_limit = 50 As docume

Re: newaliases problem with root user

2009-11-10 Thread Wietse Venema
Manoj Burande: > /etc/aliases: 77 aliases, longest 36 bytes, 805 bytes total That is SENDMAIL not POSTFIX. Wietse

Re: newaliases problem with root user

2009-11-10 Thread lst_hoe02
Zitat von Manoj Burande : Hello There, Can anybody please suggest me on the below error while adding new aliases to the root user. I am just trying to forward all emails of the root user to my own account but #newaliases command result with the below error. I am a newbie on postfix please

Re: newaliases problem with root user

2009-11-10 Thread Eero Volotinen
Quoting Manoj Burande : Hello There, Can anybody please suggest me on the below error while adding new aliases to the root user. I am just trying to forward all emails of the root user to my own account but #newaliases command result with the below error. I am a newbie on postfix please s

newaliases problem with root user

2009-11-10 Thread Manoj Burande
Hello There, Can anybody please suggest me on the below error while adding new aliases to the root user. I am just trying to forward all emails of the root user to my own account but #newaliases command result with the below error. I am a newbie on postfix please suggest me. Error: == [

Server-side mail filtering (postfix+cyrus-imap)

2009-11-10 Thread nunatarsuaq
Anybody knows how to set up server-side filtering using Sieve? My server is running openSuse with postfix and cyrus-imap. I guess both of them have to be somehow configured to use Sieve as a filter. I need to move all messages marked as spam (by SpamAssasin) to user's "Junk" folder. -- ToMasz

who know how does initial_destination_concurrency and default_destination_concurrency_limit work?

2009-11-10 Thread coofucoo zhang
HI ALL: I try to understand how the initial_destination_concurrency and default_destination_concurrency_limit work? How can it support to improve the output of delivery. I do a small test. I config the postfix like this: qmgr_message_active_limit = 50 qmgr_message_recipient_limit = 50 initial_

who know how does initial_destination_concurrency and default_destination_concurrency_limit work?

2009-11-10 Thread coofucoo zhang
HI ALL: I try to understand how the initial_destination_concurrency and default_destination_concurrency_limit work? How can it support to improve the output of delivery. I do a small test. I config the postfix like this: qmgr_message_active_limit = 50 qmgr_message_recipient_limit = 50 initial_desti

Re: Required sender email address while table lookup for rejecting mails for unknown local users

2009-11-10 Thread suomi
man pipe suomi On 2009-11-10 07:49, Arora, Sumit wrote: Hi folks, I'm using mysql local_recipient_maps for rejecting email for unknown local users. Here are the changes in my main.cf local_recipient_maps = proxy:unix:passwd.byname $alias_maps virtual_alias_maps = mysql:/etc/postfix/mysql-rel

Re: Transport map

2009-11-10 Thread Marc Silver
Hi, On Tue, 10 Nov 2009 09:03:56 +0200, Jack Knowlton wrote: Is it possible to have a transport map with a regular expression? What I want is to use an external relay server for all the emails to be delivered on Yahoo domains (eg, yahoo.com, yahoo.co.uk, yahoo.es, ecc). If it is possible,