> On Sep 25, 2023, at 18:23, Roger Marquis wrote:
>
> On Mon, 25 Sep 2023, Mark Millard wrote:
>> ... it takes so long to build (and distribute) the 30,000+
>> packages (or any large incremental subset or subset that
>> involves huge builds) that a fair number ports have had
>> updates before
Hello, again.
I am replying here again because there are so many statements present that I
don't know where to hang.
My poudriere is collecting the time costs required to build the package by
means of an experiment.
Well, although it's simply the number of seconds it took to build :)
Sorting thr
On 9/27/23 01:42, Charlie Li wrote:
> Jose Quinteiro wrote:
>> The sudden appearance of a Rust requirement broke at least some CI
>> systems:
>> https://github.com/pyca/cryptography/issues/5771#issuecomment-774997087
>>
> And that's not py-cryptography's or anyone else's problem except for
> those
Tomoaki AOKI wrote:
On Tue, 26 Sep 2023 22:03:18 +0200
Thierry Thomas wrote:
This is true, but rust is very heavy, and it seems to be updated quiet
frequently.
Just an idea: maybe it could be possible to repocopy lang/rust to e.g.
lang/rust-devel (we already have rust-nightly), lang/rust being
Alexander Leidinger wrote:
Am 2023-09-26 14:06, schrieb Kurt Jaeger:
sccache-overlay upstream is at 0.5.4, the port is at 0.2.15 --
do you know why it diverges that much ?
devel/sccache is maintained by pizzamig@ (CCed) and at v0.5.4, whereas
the ports-mgmt/sccache-overlay port is maintained
Helge Oldach wrote:
Indeed, it's py-sphinx, requiring py-openssl at some stage, which is in
turn requiring py-cryptography which needs rust.
FWIW I disabled by default the part that actually pulls in
py-cryptography, the SSL option in net/py-urllib3.
DEFAULT_VERSIONS+=pycryptography=legacy
in
Jose Quinteiro wrote:
The sudden appearance of a Rust requirement broke at least some CI systems:
https://github.com/pyca/cryptography/issues/5771#issuecomment-774997087
And that's not py-cryptography's or anyone else's problem except for
those CI systems.
cryptography switched from C to Rust
On 27/09/23 02:28, Jose Quinteiro wrote:
On 9/26/23 09:14, Guido Falsi wrote:
(snip)
And yet I remember a proposal that would have prevented this requirement
on one of these lists. Separate base SSL from ports SSL. Force ports to
use ports SSL and prune back base SSL to the bare minimum require
On 9/26/23 09:14, Guido Falsi wrote:
(snip)
>>
>> And yet I remember a proposal that would have prevented this requirement
>> on one of these lists. Separate base SSL from ports SSL. Force ports to
>> use ports SSL and prune back base SSL to the bare minimum required for
>> base. This would have gi
Hi all,
> Am 27.09.2023 um 00:41 schrieb Mike Andrews :
>
> On 9/25/23 9:24 PM, Roger Marquis wrote:
>
>> Or $5/mo for a Digitalocean VM.
>
>
> They dropped FreeBSD support last year. (And simultaneously raised their
> prices.)
That's why I am on Vultr, now.
Kind regards,
Patrick
On 9/25/23 9:24 PM, Roger Marquis wrote:
Or $5/mo for a Digitalocean VM.
They dropped FreeBSD support last year. (And simultaneously raised
their prices.)
On Mon, 25 Sep 2023, Roger Marquis wrote:
> Or $5/mo for a Digitalocean VM.
They host spammers, so I cannot use them (the Boulder Pledge etc); there
are probably other VMs around, should I feel the need.
On Tue, 26 Sep 2023, Guido Falsi wrote:
> > That's fine if you can afford a spare system
On Tue, 26 Sep 2023 22:03:18 +0200
Thierry Thomas wrote:
> Le mar. 26 sept. 23 à 9:44:51 +0200, Guido Falsi
> écrivait :
>
> > Actually it's much worse than that. It's not only rust per se.
> >
> > My poudriere machine rarely can do a build run without rebuilding one or
> > more of rust, som
Le mar. 26 sept. 23 à 9:44:51 +0200, Guido Falsi
écrivait :
> Actually it's much worse than that. It's not only rust per se.
>
> My poudriere machine rarely can do a build run without rebuilding one or
> more of rust, some version of clang, some version of gcc, qt[56]-webengine,
> py-qt6 (this
On 26/09/23 17:44, Jose Quinteiro wrote:
On 9/26/23 00:17, Guido Falsi wrote:
On 26/09/23 08:53, Helge Oldach wrote:
Gareth de Vaux wrote on Mon, 25 Sep 2023 17:06:54 +0200 (CEST):
Hi all, I've just upgraded bind916 which brought half my system down
since
it suddenly required a mountain of pyt
On 26/09/23 17:26, Jose Quinteiro wrote:
On 9/25/23 13:21, George Mitchell wrote:
On 9/25/23 11:38, Guido Falsi wrote:
[...]
There is a more general aspect to this. In the rest of the unix world
software is now almost universally build using CI systems and
buildboxes, people use binary packages
On 9/26/23 00:17, Guido Falsi wrote:
> On 26/09/23 08:53, Helge Oldach wrote:
>> Gareth de Vaux wrote on Mon, 25 Sep 2023 17:06:54 +0200 (CEST):
>>> Hi all, I've just upgraded bind916 which brought half my system down
>>> since
>>> it suddenly required a mountain of python packages and rust which n
On 9/25/23 13:21, George Mitchell wrote:
> On 9/25/23 11:38, Guido Falsi wrote:
>> [...]
>> There is a more general aspect to this. In the rest of the unix world
>> software is now almost universally build using CI systems and
>> buildboxes, people use binary packages almost all the time in linux.
Am 2023-09-26 14:06, schrieb Kurt Jaeger:
Hi!
Am 2023-09-26 09:44, schrieb Guido Falsi:
> My poudriere machine rarely can do a build run without rebuilding one
> or more of rust, some version of clang, some version of gcc,
> qt[56]-webengine, py-qt6 (this one does most of the work single
> thr
On Tue, 26 Sep 2023 14:03:28 +0200
Guido Falsi wrote:
> On 26/09/23 13:46, Alexander Leidinger wrote:
> > Am 2023-09-26 09:44, schrieb Guido Falsi:
> >
> >> My poudriere machine rarely can do a build run without rebuilding one
> >> or more of rust, some version of clang, some version of gcc,
>
Hi!
> Am 2023-09-26 09:44, schrieb Guido Falsi:
>
> > My poudriere machine rarely can do a build run without rebuilding one
> > or more of rust, some version of clang, some version of gcc,
> > qt[56]-webengine, py-qt6 (this one does most of the work single
> > threaded unluckily). Also it often e
On 26/09/23 13:46, Alexander Leidinger wrote:
Am 2023-09-26 09:44, schrieb Guido Falsi:
My poudriere machine rarely can do a build run without rebuilding one
or more of rust, some version of clang, some version of gcc,
qt[56]-webengine, py-qt6 (this one does most of the work single
threaded u
Am 2023-09-26 09:44, schrieb Guido Falsi:
My poudriere machine rarely can do a build run without rebuilding one
or more of rust, some version of clang, some version of gcc,
qt[56]-webengine, py-qt6 (this one does most of the work single
threaded unluckily). Also it often ends up having to rebu
On 26/09/23 09:30, Tatsuki Makino wrote:
Hello.
It means that rust is so pervasive that rust builds are unavoidable :)
Actually it's much worse than that. It's not only rust per se.
My poudriere machine rarely can do a build run without rebuilding one or
more of rust, some version of clang,
Hello.
It means that rust is so pervasive that rust builds are unavoidable :)
During the build of rust, we can take off and do some light exercise. That is
to avoid strained back :)
If you are using a combination of poudriere and portmaster and do not want to
build rust twice, the following spe
On 26/09/23 08:53, Helge Oldach wrote:
Gareth de Vaux wrote on Mon, 25 Sep 2023 17:06:54 +0200 (CEST):
Hi all, I've just upgraded bind916 which brought half my system down since
it suddenly required a mountain of python packages and rust which needed
around 13GB (and hours) to build - space whic
On 26/09/23 00:06, Dave Horsfall wrote:
On Mon, 25 Sep 2023, Guido Falsi wrote:
Anyway building from ports on live machines has always been bad practice
for a lot of reasons.
That's fine if you can afford a spare system just for building...
Again, anyone can do things the way he prefer, bu
On 25/09/23 23:58, Dan Mahoney wrote:
On Sep 25, 2023, at 14:41, Robert Clausecker wrote:
Am Mon, Sep 25, 2023 at 02:15:19PM -0700 schrieb Edward Sanford Sutton, III:
Poudriere still causes crashes in my experience depending on hardware,
poudriere configuration, and what you tell it to bu
Dave Horsfall wrote:
Anyway building from ports on live machines has always been bad practice
That's fine if you can afford a spare system just for building...
Or $5/mo for a Digitalocean VM.
Roger
On Mon, 25 Sep 2023, Mark Millard wrote:
... it takes so long to build (and distribute) the 30,000+
packages (or any large incremental subset or subset that
involves huge builds) that a fair number ports have had
updates before the distribution completes and starts being
Even just getting the p
Dan Mahoney wrote on
Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2023 21:58:23 UTC :
> > . . .
>
> I really, really wish the ports tree supported the option of:
>
> "I am building package X, but it requires dependency A, B, and C, which I
> will build as completely standard, so pretty friggin please, just pkg install
On 9/25/23 18:06, Dave Horsfall wrote:
On Mon, 25 Sep 2023, Guido Falsi wrote:
Anyway building from ports on live machines has always been bad practice
for a lot of reasons.
That's fine if you can afford a spare system just for building...
.. and identical architectures, specifications and
Hi Dan,
Am Mon, Sep 25, 2023 at 02:58:23PM -0700 schrieb Dan Mahoney:
> I really, really wish the ports tree supported the option of:
>
> "I am building package X, but it requires dependency A, B, and C,
> which I will build as completely standard, so pretty friggin please,
> just pkg install the
On Mon, 25 Sep 2023, Guido Falsi wrote:
> Anyway building from ports on live machines has always been bad practice
> for a lot of reasons.
That's fine if you can afford a spare system just for building...
-- Dave
> On Sep 25, 2023, at 14:41, Robert Clausecker wrote:
>
> Am Mon, Sep 25, 2023 at 02:15:19PM -0700 schrieb Edward Sanford Sutton, III:
>> Poudriere still causes crashes in my experience depending on hardware,
>> poudriere configuration, and what you tell it to build; I have to change
>> defau
Am Mon, Sep 25, 2023 at 02:15:19PM -0700 schrieb Edward Sanford Sutton, III:
> Poudriere still causes crashes in my experience depending on hardware,
> poudriere configuration, and what you tell it to build; I have to change
> defaults to use it and then it is fine. With only 32GB of RAM, if I ha
On 9/25/23 13:39, George Mitchell wrote:
On 9/25/23 16:29, Patrick M. Hausen wrote:
[...]
really not intending to be the wise guy, but if you have any significant
number of machines to manage and special package requirements,
please by all means run poudriere. It's a marvelous piece of software.
George Mitchell wrote:
On 9/25/23 16:29, Patrick M. Hausen wrote:
[...]
really not intending to be the wise guy, but if you have any significant
number of machines to manage and special package requirements,
please by all means run poudriere. It's a marvelous piece of software.
We went that way
On 9/25/23 16:39, George Mitchell wrote:
[...] partmaster [...]
I meant portmaster, of course. -- George
On 9/25/23 16:29, Patrick M. Hausen wrote:
[...]
really not intending to be the wise guy, but if you have any significant
number of machines to manage and special package requirements,
please by all means run poudriere. It's a marvelous piece of software.
We went that way early 2017 and never lo
On 25/09/23 22:21, George Mitchell wrote:
On 9/25/23 11:38, Guido Falsi wrote:
[...]
There is a more general aspect to this. In the rest of the unix world
software is now almost universally build using CI systems and
buildboxes, people use binary packages almost all the time in linux.
Develop
Hi all,
> Am 25.09.2023 um 22:21 schrieb George Mitchell :
>
> On 9/25/23 11:38, Guido Falsi wrote:
>> [...]
>> There is a more general aspect to this. In the rest of the unix world
>> software is now almost universally build using CI systems and buildboxes,
>> people use binary packages almost
On 9/25/23 11:38, Guido Falsi wrote:
[...]
There is a more general aspect to this. In the rest of the unix world
software is now almost universally build using CI systems and
buildboxes, people use binary packages almost all the time in linux.
Developers don't care to keep low overhead in thei
On 25/09/23 20:33, Guido Falsi wrote:
On 25/09/23 19:50, Gareth de Vaux wrote:
On Mon 2023-09-25 (17:38), Guido Falsi wrote:
This one, which calls in py-cryptography which requires rust.
Thanks
There is a more general aspect to this. In the rest of the unix world
software is now almost univ
On 25/09/23 19:50, Gareth de Vaux wrote:
On Mon 2023-09-25 (17:38), Guido Falsi wrote:
This one, which calls in py-cryptography which requires rust.
Thanks
There is a more general aspect to this. In the rest of the unix world
software is now almost universally build using CI systems and buil
You might also try:
echo "CONFIGURE_ARGS+=--without-python --disable-linux-caps" >>
/usr/ports/dns/bind916
before building. Heads-up as these CONFIGURE_ARGS won't persist a "make
config".
Roger Marquis
Hi all, I've just upgraded bind916 which brought half my system down since
it sudden
On Mon 2023-09-25 (17:38), Guido Falsi wrote:
> This one, which calls in py-cryptography which requires rust.
Thanks
> There is a more general aspect to this. In the rest of the unix world
> software is now almost universally build using CI systems and buildboxes,
> people use binary packages alm
On 25/09/23 17:06, Gareth de Vaux wrote:
Hi all, I've just upgraded bind916 which brought half my system down since
it suddenly required a mountain of python packages and rust which needed
around 13GB (and hours) to build - space which I didn't have nor have ever
remotely expected to need for a p
Hi all, I've just upgraded bind916 which brought half my system down since
it suddenly required a mountain of python packages and rust which needed
around 13GB (and hours) to build - space which I didn't have nor have ever
remotely expected to need for a ports build.
My bind configuration options
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