On 25/09/23 23:58, Dan Mahoney wrote:
On Sep 25, 2023, at 14:41, Robert Clausecker <f...@fuz.su> wrote:
Am Mon, Sep 25, 2023 at 02:15:19PM -0700 schrieb Edward Sanford Sutton, III:
Poudriere still causes crashes in my experience depending on hardware,
poudriere configuration, and what you tell it to build; I have to change
defaults to use it and then it is fine. With only 32GB of RAM, if I have it
operate the whole build process in RAM
(USE_TMPFS=all>/usr/local/etc/poudriere) then I have to limit myself to 2
build jobs (PARALLEL_JOBS=2, though I specify it on the poudriere command
line) or I 'may' have issues. Within that I can have multiple jobs per build
(ALLOW_MAKE_JOBS=yes>/usr/local/etc/poudriere,
MAKE_JOBS_NUMBER=4>/usr/local/etc/poudriere.d/make.conf) which gets through
each compile job much faster so no one job is as likely to be running
'alone' holding up other jobs while cores sit idle.
Ports tend to eat more and more storage for their source and dependencies these
days. I encountered the same issue you had. A simple fix is to switch to
USE_TMPFS="data localbase" which keeps the source code and objects of the
package
to be built on disk while placing dependencies into RAM. This does not actually
reduce performance by much as the biggest spike in disk usage is when
dependencies
are installed and the distfile is extracted. This setting helps with the former
while not doing much to the latter. During the build, compilers infrequently
write small objects to disk, which gets handled very well by the write cache, so
having the WRKDIR on disk doesn't hurt. The cache also quickly picks up on
frequently needed source files, so there's little penalty in having to read them
from disk every once in a while.
I really, really wish the ports tree supported the option of:
"I am building package X, but it requires dependency A, B, and C, which I will build
as completely standard, so pretty friggin please, just pkg install them."
So often have I done the dance of "Make...crap, ^c^c^c, pkg install autoconf...Make,
...dammit... pkg install dialog4ports....make....dammit, crap install bison...."
pkg, as far as I know, has no concept of tracking the build-dependencies of a
thing, but I would love the option of pkg --install-all-build-deps-for foo.
"Just run poudriere" is a really crappy option when you just have a single box
on an AWS t2-tiny install.
There is work in poudriere development to support using binary packages
for dependencies. [1]
Poudriere already has a -S flag to avoid rebuilding things when a run
dependency changes. I see there is ongoing work related with this flag,
but it should be usable most of the time, although it exposes to some of
the same risks that building manually causes. [2]
DISLAIMER:
Everyone is free to manage his own machines as he sees fit, there is
really no sanctioned way to do that, and building ports on live machines
is supported, and I have fixed bugs in the ports I maintain that failed
to build properly in such an environment, and will keep doing that to
the best of my abilities.
But I also must state that doing things like that is a way to look for
unnecessary trouble.
Poudriere is resource hungry, because building software is resource
hungry and will get even hungrier.
I started computing on a Spectrum 48K and am still baffled by how we got
to a condition where 48K is not even enough for a simple configuration
file, but here we are.
[1]
https://github.com/freebsd/poudriere/commit/a587ae7a3741d56a3991d030a8d08b6e9e619f07
[2] https://github.com/freebsd/poudriere/issues/806
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Guido Falsi <madpi...@freebsd.org>
