Re: Picolisp Outlook

2021-02-24 Thread pd
On Tue, Feb 23, 2021 at 11:06 PM Davide BERTOLOTTO < davide.bertolo...@gmail.com> wrote: > After all these years I am still wondering how people like complicated > sintaxes full of special forms more than the simplicity of lisp. After all, > the parentheses and the prefix notation do not look so t

Re: Picolisp Outlook

2021-02-24 Thread pd
> > On Tue, Feb 23, 2021, 21:03 pd wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> > This is complete rubbish (IMHO)!! You are not even a normie, but an > NPC!! > Maybe if you explain your arguments we can build a little discussion, I'm not a normie but kinda opposite, don't know what are you refering with NPC (maybe N

Re: Picolisp Outlook

2021-02-23 Thread Danilo Kordic
On Tue, Feb 23, 2021, 23:06 Davide BERTOLOTTO wrote: > After all these years I am still wondering how people like complicated > sintaxes full of special forms more than the simplicity of lisp. After all, > the parentheses and the prefix notation do not look so terrible to me, > especially conside

Re: Picolisp Outlook

2021-02-23 Thread Davide BERTOLOTTO
After all these years I am still wondering how people like complicated sintaxes full of special forms more than the simplicity of lisp. After all, the parentheses and the prefix notation do not look so terrible to me, especially considering that you gain a lot in clarity and simplicity of the langu

Re: Picolisp Outlook

2021-02-23 Thread pd
On Tue, Feb 23, 2021 at 5:00 PM Danilo Kordic wrote: > 'float' could be implemented as a lib. > yes, but the point here it is not at core and even having a float lib or whatever science lib, python is plenty of them and a nicer syntax it's not about me neither talking about (pico)lisp feature

Re: Picolisp Outlook

2021-02-23 Thread Alexander Burger
Hi Eric, On Tue, Feb 23, 2021 at 05:31:13PM +0100, cilz wrote: > Hence I kind of agree with Alex below, for me > there's nothing to add yet to Picolisp, but to > the documentation or IMHO provide some more > "full" examples Right. Perhaps we should say "more explanations" instead of "documentatio

Re: Picolisp Outlook

2021-02-23 Thread cilz
Hello guys, I' m just a hobbyist here, but if you're ok, this is my 2 cents. As it has already been written by many, Picolisp has already many features that are IMHO killing features: - simplicity - the integrated web server + client library, - the integrated NoSQL database + the integrated

Re: Picolisp Outlook

2021-02-23 Thread andreas
Yeah, you mean some commercial or FOSS products with the opportunity for PicoLisp programming/consulting/service business around it. My company does that since 2015, and it's our main source of income since 2018. Currently its customized business applications (so similar to the business model of A

Re: Picolisp Outlook

2021-02-23 Thread Thorsten Jolitz
I'm just saying that it would be nice to have a Picolisp app that has a real demand and a little ecosystem around it ... Like e.g. Moodle or some CMS system, that probably have an ecosystem of PHP programmers around them, and many organisations using them (with need for some support). For them it'

Re: Picolisp Outlook

2021-02-23 Thread Thorsten Jolitz
Hi Alex, Alexander Burger schrieb am Di., 23. Feb. 2021, 09:33: > Hi Thorsten, > > > Maybe we should sponsor Alex (3 month work?) to build that "killer app" > > with the clear goals > > Hmm, no need to specially sponsor me, but thanks for the proposal! > > The problem is that such an app would

Re: Picolisp Outlook

2021-02-23 Thread Thorsten Jolitz
I thought interfacing with important data science libraries would be a pro, but of course it has to be done first, it's quite a lot of work and not always that easy, even if it's C, not to mention C++. I guess you are right about the popularity of Lisp ... pd schrieb am Di., 23. Feb. 2021, 08:57

Re: Picolisp Outlook

2021-02-23 Thread C K Kashyap
I also believe that the simplicity of PicoLisp by itself is a "killer app". I've explored several languages in the past but PicoLisp is the only one that allowed me to understand the implementation of the language all the way (I still have to work on the external symbol bit :) . I was so used to se

Re: Picolisp Outlook

2021-02-23 Thread Manuel Cano
Hi, That's surely because it isn't made in Picolisp! :D Kind regards, Manu El mar, 23 feb 2021 a las 10:32, Alexander Burger () escribió: > Hi all, > > sorry for the multiple mails! Seems I have a DNS problem on > the server ... > > On Tue, Feb 23, 2021 at 09:18:57AM +0100, Alexander Burger wr

Re: Picolisp Outlook

2021-02-23 Thread Alexander Burger
Hi all, sorry for the multiple mails! Seems I have a DNS problem on the server ... On Tue, Feb 23, 2021 at 09:18:57AM +0100, Alexander Burger wrote: > Hi Thorsten, > ... -- UNSUBSCRIBE: mailto:picolisp@software-lab.de?subject=Unsubscribe

Re: Picolisp Outlook

2021-02-23 Thread Alexander Burger
Hi Thorsten, > Maybe we should sponsor Alex (3 month work?) to build that "killer app" > with the clear goals Hmm, no need to specially sponsor me, but thanks for the proposal! The problem is that such an app would probably not be accepted by those millions of (data) scientists. As always, Lisp

Re: Picolisp Outlook

2021-02-23 Thread Alexander Burger
Hi Thorsten, > Maybe we should sponsor Alex (3 month work?) to build that "killer app" > with the clear goals Hmm, no need to specially sponsor me, but thanks for the proposal! The problem is that such an app would probably not be accepted by those millions of (data) scientists. As always, Lisp

Re: Picolisp Outlook

2021-02-22 Thread Thorsten Jolitz
Maybe we should sponsor Alex (3 month work?) to build that "killer app" with the clear goals - for all those millions of (data) scientists that work with R etc, it should be the easiest (because fully integrated) way to build applications on top of their data - for those who like Picolisp it shoul

Re: Picolisp Outlook

2021-02-22 Thread Danilo Kordic
Yes. CLOSOS assumes Common Lisp. ATM I am studying Intel N4100 on which to experiment with them. On Mon, Feb 22, 2021, 09:32 Alexander Burger wrote: > On Sun, Feb 21, 2021 at 08:08:26PM +0100, Danilo Kordic wrote: > > LispM ( http://metamodular.com/closos.pdf ). > > Nice article! Looks a

Re: Picolisp Outlook

2021-02-22 Thread andreas
Yeah I had kinda similiar ideas, Thorsten. PicolispDB is certainly a killer feature - multi-paradigm database (Key-Value, Object, Document, Graph, Relational.. really everything covered), ACID (transactions), many indexing capabilities (including text and spatial indexing), performant, extremely f

Re: Picolisp Outlook

2021-02-22 Thread Thorsten Jolitz
hallo list, I always thought a "killer app" would be nice, to make those "killer features" popular, and I always thought that could be a "data science application builder" with 3 features: - easy data import into a Picolisp DB - ffi/java wrappers for many data science libs (Rmath, Weka, ...) - ea

Re: Picolisp Outlook

2021-02-22 Thread andreas
What are you talking about? Troll bait much. Majority of IT practitioners have really bad knowledge about history of IT & computer science. Most things are in popular use solely because they are popular (which may give legitimate non-technical benefits). Especially in software long-solved mistake

Re: Picolisp Outlook

2021-02-22 Thread pd
El lun., 22 feb. 2021 9:31, Alexander Burger escribió: > ... and immune to temporary hypes. > What a nice desire being rejected by history of humankind again and again ;) Specially in computer science >

Re: Picolisp Outlook

2021-02-22 Thread Alexander Burger
On Sun, Feb 21, 2021 at 08:08:26PM +0100, Danilo Kordic wrote: > LispM ( http://metamodular.com/closos.pdf ). Nice article! Looks a lot like PilOS, no? ☺/ A!ex -- UNSUBSCRIBE: mailto:picolisp@software-lab.de?subject=Unsubscribe

Re: Picolisp Outlook

2021-02-22 Thread Alexander Burger
On Sun, Feb 21, 2021 at 05:17:59PM +0100, bied...@gmail.com wrote: > It's 2021, Software is eating the world, people are flocking to Python and > Javascript mainly, we're swimming in machine learning and AI and serverless > and what not. In the current times, where do you see the future of Picolisp

Re: Picolisp Outlook

2021-02-21 Thread Nehal
Hi Tom, It appears that so long as the virtual machine abstraction is of any value the PicoLisp ecosystem will continue to grow. PicoLisp basically is Cell (cons pair) processing. One needs to approach PicoLisp bottom up from cell. Surprisingly the cloud and its serverless abstraction are ultimat

Re: Picolisp Outlook

2021-02-21 Thread Danilo Kordic
LispM ( http://metamodular.com/closos.pdf ). On Sun, Feb 21, 2021, 17:58 wrote: > It's 2021, Software is eating the world, people are flocking to Python and > Javascript mainly, we're swimming in machine learning and AI and serverless > and what not. In the current times, where do you see the

Re: Picolisp Outlook

2021-02-21 Thread Christophe Gragnic
Hi! My personal thoughts below Le dim. 21 févr. 2021 à 17:57, a écrit : > ... where do you see the future of Picolisp in the years to come? > People willing to use it will use it. People not aware of it or not wanting to use it will not use it. That's all. Alex just made a "coup de maître" rei