Re: [PHP] Zend hit (Encoder price)

2001-01-26 Thread Terrence Chay
on 1/26/01 1:36 AM, Richard Lynch at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >> If there are some things you really need to hide, and perhaps also really >> need to make fast, then write yourself a PHP extension in C that > I dunno... Once you start writing chunks of it in C code, it doesn't really > seem li

Re: [PHP] Zend hit (Encoder price)

2001-01-26 Thread Richard Lynch
> > Unfortunately, it's not that simple. > > > > You haven't factored in Support costs nor administrative overhead nor... > > Well, I don't know what else the Marketing folks do when they figure these > > things out, but that's why I'm not in Marketing, eh? > > > Right it's not my game either (mar

Re: [PHP] Zend hit (Encoder price)

2001-01-26 Thread Christopher Allen
> Unfortunately, it's not that simple. > > You haven't factored in Support costs nor administrative overhead nor... > Well, I don't know what else the Marketing folks do when they figure these > things out, but that's why I'm not in Marketing, eh? Right it's not my game either (marketing), but

Re: [PHP] Zend hit (Encoder price)

2001-01-26 Thread Richard Lynch
> You are entirely correct. However, I (personally) feel that by pricing it so > high you're targeting a very small niche market at a higher rate. Pricing it > in the "$300.00" range would not cost you that niche - but it would gain you > the "x-million" users/freelance developers. Sure, $6,000

Re: [PHP] Zend hit (Encoder price)

2001-01-26 Thread Richard Lynch
> > Well, without the Encoder the entire *possibility* of "seriously proprietary > > kickass scripts" that people distribute and sell is out of the question. > > If there are some things you really need to hide, and perhaps also really > need to make fast, then write yourself a PHP extension in C

RE: [PHP] Zend hit (Encoder price)

2001-01-25 Thread Rasmus Lerdorf
> Yes, but name me one way that will ensure your code in the manner that Zend > does it, making your code unreadable just pisses the people off who wish to > alter the parts which are intended to be altered. And with Zend, its > possible to write readable code, encode the sensitive parts, and invi

RE: [PHP] Zend hit (Encoder price)

2001-01-25 Thread Dallas Kropka
: Rasmus Lerdorf [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2001 2:57 PM To: Jim Jagielski Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Sander Pilon; Uioreanu Calin; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [PHP] Zend hit (Encoder price) > I never said that obfuscating the code is a requirement for all people. > I&

RE: [PHP] Zend hit (Encoder price)

2001-01-25 Thread Dallas Kropka
ut we weren't expecting it to run that high. I must say that Zend did a lousy PR job at promoting the system, but we need to use it. Dallas K. -Original Message- From: Michael A. Peters [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2001 11:40 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EM

Re: [PHP] Zend hit (Encoder price)

2001-01-25 Thread Jim Jagielski
Rasmus Lerdorf wrote: > > You wrote: > > without the Encoder the entire *possibility* of "seriously proprietary > > kickass scripts" that people distribute and sell is out of the question. > > "out of the question" does not imply this "some people" idea. The above > says that if you wish to ser

Re: [PHP] Zend hit (Encoder price)

2001-01-25 Thread Rasmus Lerdorf
> I never said that obfuscating the code is a requirement for all people. > I'd like to know where I said that. It's easy to make me sound like an > idiot or worse when you put words in my mouth. I said that for some > people it is. BIG difference. That was not how I understood what you wrote.

Re: [PHP] Zend hit (Encoder price)

2001-01-25 Thread Jim Jagielski
Rasmus Lerdorf wrote: > > > Well, without the Encoder the entire *possibility* of "seriously proprietary > > kickass scripts" that people distribute and sell is out of the question. > > Let's not go overboard here. You can build and sell serious stuff without > an encoder. Obfuscating the code

Re: [PHP] Zend hit (Encoder price)

2001-01-25 Thread Rasmus Lerdorf
> Well, without the Encoder the entire *possibility* of "seriously proprietary > kickass scripts" that people distribute and sell is out of the question. Let's not go overboard here. You can build and sell serious stuff without an encoder. Obfuscating the code is not a requirement for all peopl

Re: [PHP] Zend hit (Encoder price)

2001-01-25 Thread Jim Winstead
please, please take this discussion elsewhere. if you have questions for the zend guys about their pricing and want to lecture them on what you think the right pricing is, there are a number of message boards on their site that are more suitable. if you want to explore alternatives to the zend c

RE: [PHP] Zend hit (Encoder price)

2001-01-25 Thread Michael A. Peters
My question is- Does the encoder license permit a company to purchase the license, and then optionally encode php for third parties? Can I, for example, encode purchase the encoder, and then make a deal with John who can't afford the encoder to encode John's web application for $150 and give J

Re: [PHP] Zend hit (Encoder price)

2001-01-25 Thread szii
You are entirely correct. However, I (personally) feel that by pricing it so high you're targeting a very small niche market at a higher rate. Pricing it in the "$300.00" range would not cost you that niche - but it would gain you the "x-million" users/freelance developers. Sure, $6,000 is 20x

Re: [PHP] Zend hit (Encoder price)

2001-01-25 Thread Jim Jagielski
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > But I do know that for $6,000 I sure as hell am not buying it. > Maybe for a couple hundred...but $6,000? No way. I'd have to have > some seriously proprietary kickass scripts that cost me a huge investment > in time/money to develop to blow $6,000 just on keeping p

Re: [PHP] Zend hit (Encoder price)

2001-01-25 Thread szii
IMHO, if you want to sell it then it's your right. You coded it, you own it, you get to sell it. But I do know that for $6,000 I sure as hell am not buying it. Maybe for a couple hundred...but $6,000? No way. I'd have to have some seriously proprietary kickass scripts that cost me a huge inv

RE: [PHP] Zend hit (Encoder price) (Freelance Encoding?)

2001-01-25 Thread Wandrer
At 02:26 PM 1/25/01 +0100, you wrote: > > Hello, > > What do you think about Zend position? > > http://php.weblogs.com/ > > http://zend.com/phorum/read.php?num=3&id=6277&loc=0&thread=6277 > >I think that if Zend wants to sell it for $6000, then they have all right >to. These guys have worked hard,

Re: [PHP] Zend hit (Encoder price)

2001-01-25 Thread Jim Jagielski
Sander Pilon wrote: > > > > > > Hello, > > > > What do you think about Zend position? > > http://php.weblogs.com/ > > http://zend.com/phorum/read.php?num=3&id=6277&loc=0&thread=6277 > > > > I think that if Zend wants to sell it for $6000, then they have all right > to. These guys have worked ha

Re: [PHP] Zend hit (Encoder price)

2001-01-25 Thread Teodor Cimpoesu
Hi Sander! On Thu, 25 Jan 2001, Sander Pilon wrote: > > > > > Hello, > > > > What do you think about Zend position? > > http://php.weblogs.com/ > > http://zend.com/phorum/read.php?num=3&id=6277&loc=0&thread=6277 > > > > I think that if Zend wants to sell it for $6000, then they have all right >

RE: [PHP] Zend hit (Encoder price)

2001-01-25 Thread Sander Pilon
> > Hello, > > What do you think about Zend position? > http://php.weblogs.com/ > http://zend.com/phorum/read.php?num=3&id=6277&loc=0&thread=6277 > I think that if Zend wants to sell it for $6000, then they have all right to. These guys have worked hard, and they deserve some cash for it. If pe

[PHP] Zend hit

2001-01-25 Thread Uioreanu Calin
Hello, What do you think about Zend position? http://php.weblogs.com/ http://zend.com/phorum/read.php?num=3&id=6277&loc=0&thread=6277 Cordialement, Uioreanu Calin - [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tel: +4094477589 Web: http://www.ecomert.f2s.com DMS Team