Hello Sean,
Thursday, September 06, 2001, 1:46:28 PM, you wrote:
SCM> My experience is the same. Here in Spain everybody uses Microsoft
SCM> products. W95, W98, NT everywhere, and now 2000. There a lot of MCSE
SCM> around and very little Linux/PHP experts. Yes there are a lot of people
SCM> tha
Miles
>
> Fascinating link and series of articles. Well worth reading.
>
> One of my VFP buddies copies his entire set of classes into every new
> project he starts; I've also seen scenarios where to use one or two useful
> functions you had to import a whole class structure.
>
Yes, I think he r
Hi
>
>I'm getting a 404 not found on that URL. Please check it.
>
Oops - silly typo - and I double checked it too!
Here is the address:
http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Lab/6888/prpats.htm
Actually, this is a pretty interesting site. The root is at:
http://www.geocities.com/SiliconVall
From: Miles Thompson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Thu, Sep 06, 2001 at 01:44:16PM -0300
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [PHP] The future of PHP - PHP Pattern Repository
> Geoff,
> I'm getting a 404 not found on that URL. Please check it.
> Miles
You sho
Geoff,
I'm getting a 404 not found on that URL. Please check it.
Miles
At 05:07 PM 9/6/01 +0100, Geoff Caplan wrote:
>Michael Kimsal wrote
>
> > Tell me more about your thoughts on this please.
>
>One of the strengths of PHP is the gentle learning curve. This means that a
>lot of people are using
Michael Kimsal wrote
> Tell me more about your thoughts on this please.
One of the strengths of PHP is the gentle learning curve. This means that a
lot of people are using it as their first programming language, and a lot of
the traffic on the lists, and the articles on the PHP sites, are at a p
"B. van Ouwerkerk" wrote:
>
> >I can tell you that in general, companies in Europe appears to be more
> >open to open-source solutions much more than ones in the US. Of course,
> >Europe is comprised of lots of different countries, and each country has
> >lots of different companies, so your mil
Hi
Thomas Deliduka wrote:
> Actually this originally started ... with my question as to what
> to tell my JSP-loving buddy that PHP isn't an
> antiquated and dying language/processing system.
I have a proposal for the PHP gurus which should help establish PHP's
credentials as a serious tool wi
>I can tell you that in general, companies in Europe appears to be more
>open to open-source solutions much more than ones in the US. Of course,
>Europe is comprised of lots of different countries, and each country has
>lots of different companies, so your mileage may vary.
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>
>
> At 03:11 03-09-01, Valter Santos wrote:
>
> > > >In this company, they have choose Microsoft stuff because
> they think it
> > > >is the right choice for what they do. For some things, PHP could be a
>
At 03:11 03-09-01, Valter Santos wrote:
> > >In this company, they have choose Microsoft stuff because they think it
> > >is the right choice for what they do. For some things, PHP could be a
> > >better choice, but it would be hard to convince who is in charge above
> > >me because PHP does not
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> -Original Message-
> From: Zeev Suraski [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Friday, August 31, 2001 1:54 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: [PHP] The fut
At 14:52 01-09-01, Christian Reiniger wrote:
>On Friday 31 August 2001 15:22, Manuel Lemos wrote:
> > > I actually mention PHP-GTK in my sessions. I mention it as an
> > > anecdote, much like I mention some of the other interesting modules
> > > and projects in PHP (e.g., PEAR). I'm really not s
At 16:22 31-08-01, Manuel Lemos wrote:
>Oh, man, do you really do that? That is worse than not mention it at
>all. You may be joking but not everybody may understand it that way.
>Doing that you ruining the credibility of those efforts that take PHP
>far out what originally it was meant for. If yo
On Friday 31 August 2001 15:22, Manuel Lemos wrote:
> > I actually mention PHP-GTK in my sessions. I mention it as an
> > anecdote, much like I mention some of the other interesting modules
> > and projects in PHP (e.g., PEAR). I'm really not sure why people
> > think I'm trying to bury PHP-GTK.
> looks bright.
The future's so bright, I need to wear shades.
Sorry, couldn't resist.
Bottom line I'm hearing: The Dev team has no more hours to give, and is
focussing on what they believe is right. If somebody wants to sink
time/money into this, go for it.
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>I think with everyone replying to "The future of PHP" e-mails and putting in
>their two cents, we're eventually going to raise that $100,000 in no time.
>
Yeah.. not to mention the time it takes to read or just download those
messages.
I stopped counting and started hitting the delete button.
the language are focusing on
making the best web development language out there.
(even if it is already the best)
py
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Actually this originally started (If you're referring to the thread itself)
with my question as to what to tell my JSP-loving buddy that PHP isn't an
antiquated and dying language/processing system.
I NEVER would have thought it was balloon into this conversation!
On 8/31/2001 10:29 AM this was
Php'ers:
These are great points that have been brought up (a kinda synopsis, since we
are repeating here :)
1) some want direct marketing
2) Some believe the status quo is enough
3) all agreee php is useful as a web development tool/language
4) some agree that it can/should be more (GTK/Command
Hello,
Zeev Suraski wrote:
>
> At 01:40 31-08-01, Manuel Lemos wrote:
> >Whoever hears you may even believe that Microsoft products and
> >supporting sites are successful because they don't have flaws. Sorry,
> >but honestely this sounds like an excuse for not doing it.
>
> Microsoft chooses wh
At 01:40 31-08-01, Manuel Lemos wrote:
>Whoever hears you may even believe that Microsoft products and
>supporting sites are successful because they don't have flaws. Sorry,
>but honestely this sounds like an excuse for not doing it.
Microsoft chooses which sites it links from microsoft.com *very
: http://www.dsnet.net/
-Original Message-
From: Manuel Lemos [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2001 6:40 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [PHP] The future of PHP
Hello Zeev,
Zeev Suraski wrote:
>
> Manuel,
>
> I started answering your letter point by
Hello Zeev,
Zeev Suraski wrote:
>
> Manuel,
>
> I started answering your letter point by point, but stopped, as it wouldn't
> have gotten us anywhere.
>
> I'm sorry if sharing my (IMHO very realistic) estimate of the PHP world
> seemed like an insult to you or anybody else. Not everything tha
Manuel,
I started answering your letter point by point, but stopped, as it wouldn't
have gotten us anywhere.
I'm sorry if sharing my (IMHO very realistic) estimate of the PHP world
seemed like an insult to you or anybody else. Not everything that is done
in the PHP world is of good quality.
On Thu, 30 Aug 2001 02:52:33 -0500, "Richard Lynch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>Which dot-bomb had a business plan, with a revenue model, which did *NOT*
>involve going into heavy debt and blowing huge piles of VC money for several
>years in a market-share grab on the Internet, where the barrier
This has strayed off-topic a bit. Unless you're into music and/or business
planning for e-commerce, you probably should hit delete now...
> > How about this one, doing *EXTREMELY* well selling CDs online:
> >
> > http://CDBaby.com/
> >
> > Of course, that has almost nothing to do with his choice
> (Even though I didn't understand quite how shared objects work. )
Like, I only did it once, and it was GD, and about 80% of the time it puked
trying to display an image, but...
Basically, if you compile using --with-apxs in the first place, and then you
re-compile from source using that --wit
> > >Can small business live from e-commerce today?
> >
> > What is the relevance of your question? Do businesses "live" from
> > their telephone? Whether they do or not, they need it in either case.
>
> AFAIK, it costs a lot more money to have any start and operate a
> e-commerce business than
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In article <010001c1311e$d86ebb40$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Matthew A. Schneider) wrote:
> > Rather than whining about the future of PHP, why don't you be proactive
> > and take on the goal o
In article <010001c1311e$d86ebb40$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Matthew A. Schneider) wrote:
> > Rather than whining about the future of PHP, why don't you be proactive
> > and take on the goal of raising the $100,000 for the project?
> Although Fred's comments appear rhetorical, the s
t;
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2001 5:55 AM
Subject: Re: [PHP] The future of PHP
> Manuel,
> Rather than whining about the future of PHP, why don't you be proactive
and
> take on the goal of raising the $100,000 for the project?
> Fred Steinkopf
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-Original Message-
From: Rasmus Lerdorf [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2001 2:10 PM
To: Manuel Lemos
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [PHP] The future of PHP
> The talks that
Could we cool it down a little ... maybe let a day go by before hitting
"Send" once more on this thread?
Attacking Rasmus and Zeev is counterproductive, and it's starting to sound
pretty hostile. The whole PHP development team is doing a fantastic job.
(Even though I didn't understand quite h
> The talks that you give are for people that already know about PHP.
No they aren't. As I said in my message, the seminar series I did were
specifically for people who knew nothing about PHP and it was presented
alongside other technologies. But yes, the people would have to have had
some inte
29, 2001 11:04 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [PHP] The future of PHP
Grrr !! same for me, I never knew you were in Montreal,
> - Linux Expo - Montreal, Canada
Now I see why the calandar is so useful on php.net !!
py
p.s. in june I was probably too busy at the jazz festival
So sprach »Zeev Suraski« am 2001-08-29 um 20:32:32 +0300 :
> What I *am* saying is that GUI apps are not PHP's main strength, and thus,
> should not be its main focus. If we try to push and market PHP, we should
> pick reasonable objectives - and pushing it as a platform is much more
> attaina
ED]>
To: "Rasmus Lerdorf" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Manuel Lemos" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2001 1:25 PM
Subject: Re: [PHP] The future of PHP
> Damn, I wish I had read that thre was this event in Toronto, I w
Hello,
Rasmus Lerdorf wrote:
>
> > If you read my messages in the thread from the beginning you can see
> > that basically the current problems of PHP in its acceptance are more
> > with the people view of PHP than about its technical abilities. It is a
> > known fact that PHP is very good for W
E CAN NOT MOVE UNTIL YOU PUT THE PHP AWAY!"
> -Original Message-
> From: Ninety-Nine Ways To Die [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2001 11:18 AM
> To: Manuel Lemos; Rasmus Lerdorf
> Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: [PHP] The future of PHP
>
>
At 20:23 29-08-01, Alexander Skwar wrote:
>However, I don't think it's right to say that this will never ever
>happen, like you do. And I also do think, that it's counter-productive
>from you to say something like this. I mean, it would be okay (with
>me), if you kinda ignored this. But what's
Hello Zeev,
Zeev Suraski wrote:
> >If you are going to descriminate sites based on subjective criteria,
> >like matters of taste or points of view that vary greatly from person to
> >person, that is bad because you will certainly leave out contributions
> >that could help greatly PHP and in the e
So sprach »Zeev Suraski« am 2001-08-29 um 19:43:15 +0300 :
> very useful, especially to people who already know PHP. However, assuming
> that it would ever catch a significant share of the GUI market is naive,
> IMHO.
Well, my point was, that at the beginning of the Perl->GTK binding,
noone wo
Damn, I wish I had read that thre was this event in Toronto, I would have
liked to attend! :)
> - Linux User Group in Toronto, Canada
I agree, suggestion and constructive criticism are fine but lets not start
attacking the guys who have put in countless hours to make PHP what it is
today. I'm
I attended one of your conferences / training sessions, the Linux Conference in NYC,
and I have to say it was excellent, and certainly motivational. Through that one day
of your speech it motivated me enough to get off my bum and start using PHP in our
environment for whatever we possibly could
> If you read my messages in the thread from the beginning you can see
> that basically the current problems of PHP in its acceptance are more
> with the people view of PHP than about its technical abilities. It is a
> known fact that PHP is very good for Web programming. The problem is
> that not
At 15:19 29-08-01, Alexander Skwar wrote:
>So sprach »Manuel Lemos« am 2001-08-28 um 23:21:54 -0300 :
> > Man, give it some time! How long was it since Andrei released PHP-GTK?
> > How old is PHP now?
>
>Exactly. And also Perl wasn't made to create GUI apps, was it? But
>look how many Perl GUI a
Hello,
> one assumption you seem to have is the ongoing viability of php (if not
> the very livelihood of we the developers using php) is somehow a function
> of the number of folks who know what php is. that somehow the more folks
> know about php, the better php gets. it also seems that you fe
Hello,
"Frederick L. Steinkopf" wrote:
>
> Manuel,
> Rather than whining about the future of PHP, why don't you be proactive and
> take on the goal of raising the $100,000 for the project?
Because I do not depend on the PHP future for my professional life. That
is a role for PHP core developers
-
From: Manuel Lemos [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2001 9:21 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [PHP] The future of PHP
Hello,
> > These guys resort to these marketing tricks to promote Python as hell,
> > and the PHP people just sits and waits doing
Hello,
> > These guys resort to these marketing tricks to promote Python as hell,
> > and the PHP people just sits and waits doing almost nothing in
> > comparision to promote PHP as hard as they can even when they lives
> > depend on the acceptance of PHP as a wide spread language!
>
> Manuel,
So sprach »Manuel Lemos« am 2001-08-28 um 23:21:54 -0300 :
> Man, give it some time! How long was it since Andrei released PHP-GTK?
> How old is PHP now?
Exactly. And also Perl wasn't made to create GUI apps, was it? But
look how many Perl GUI apps there are out there now. Eg. all (? at
least
At 05:21 29-08-01, Manuel Lemos wrote:
>If when you mean pro-active you mean that's intentional and is all part
>of a plan,
>then we agree. If you acted somehow to promote PHP and got some
>unexpected results
>(good or bad) that is still marketing although not pro-active.
Regardless of this defi
TED]>
Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2001 12:11 AM
Subject: Re: [PHP] The future of PHP
> > These guys resort to these marketing tricks to promote Python as hell,
> > and the PHP people just sits and waits doing almost nothing in
> > compar
--On Tuesday, August 28, 2001 11:42 PM -0300 Manuel Lemos <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> These guys resort to these marketing tricks to promote Python as hell,
> and the PHP people just sits and waits doing almost nothing in
> comparision to promote PHP as hard as they can even when they lives
> d
> These guys resort to these marketing tricks to promote Python as hell,
> and the PHP people just sits and waits doing almost nothing in
> comparision to promote PHP as hard as they can even when they lives
> depend on the acceptance of PHP as a wide spread language!
Manuel, please, give this ti
Hello,
Julio Nobrega Trabalhando wrote:
>
> Hi Manuel,
>
> Great post. I enjoyed the part where you said it would be a good idea to
> do some 'competition' with php programmers, sponsored by some company.
Actually, what I was suggested was not invented. It seems some body with
great intere
Hello Zeev,
Zeev Suraski wrote:
>
> At 23:02 26-08-01, Manuel Lemos wrote:
> >I don't think we have the same understanding of what is marketing. For
> >me, marketing is being proactive in terms of promoting something before
> >the potential market. Seeing people advocating PHP or analysts coveri
At 12:46 27-08-01, Alexander Skwar wrote:
>So sprach »Zeev Suraski« am 2001-08-27 um 09:40:40 +0300 :
> > Regarding source code hiding, you can use the Zend Encoder. Pricing wise,
> > the lowest you can get it for right now is $50/month, which may be too
> high
> > for certain developers.
>
>Uhm
Hi Manuel,
Great post. I enjoyed the part where you said it would be a good idea to
do some 'competition' with php programmers, sponsored by some company.
For example, most times when I want a php script, either I go to
Hotscripts.com or Sourceforge.net.
Sf.net, by rebound, makes me rem
So sprach »Zeev Suraski« am 2001-08-27 um 09:40:40 +0300 :
> Regarding source code hiding, you can use the Zend Encoder. Pricing wise,
> the lowest you can get it for right now is $50/month, which may be too high
> for certain developers.
Uhm, really? I mean, if you don't make $50/month, the
At 08:07 27-08-01, Robin Chen wrote:
>This is very true. I have a few ideas that I want to sell, but the only
>way that I can do it with PHP is to give out the source, and the user is
>expected to know how to install PHP and set up the script. If I can
>compile the PHP script, then I can sell th
This is very true. I have a few ideas that I want to sell, but the only
way that I can do it with PHP is to give out the source, and the user is
expected to know how to install PHP and set up the script. If I can
compile the PHP script, then I can sell the executables. The users
would only have
At 23:02 26-08-01, Manuel Lemos wrote:
>I don't think we have the same understanding of what is marketing. For
>me, marketing is being proactive in terms of promoting something before
>the potential market. Seeing people advocating PHP or analysts covering
>PHP here and there is not proactive at a
Hello,
Zeev Suraski wrote:
>
> At 05:36 26-08-01, Manuel Lemos wrote:
> >The first problem is technical. You just keep developing PHP to satisfy
> >the user needs as soon as you perceive them and that's it.
>
> I think we're doing that nicely, but it's quite true that meeting the
> technical ne
> there. There are too many languages in the world, including ones which
are
> much more capable than PHP in the GUI programming area, and if we move the
> focus to this front, we're going to fight a lost battle. In the Web
front,
> on the other hand, we're doing quite well.
This is the main re
At 05:36 26-08-01, Manuel Lemos wrote:
>The first problem is technical. You just keep developing PHP to satisfy
>the user needs as soon as you perceive them and that's it.
I think we're doing that nicely, but it's quite true that meeting the
technical needs is not enough.
>The second problem is
Hello Rasmus,
Rasmus Lerdorf wrote:
>
> > So, it is very hard to convince the anybody to bet all the farm in PHP.
> > You may have the technical arguments, but is not enough, I'm afraid.
> >
> > You in particular, may not need to convince others to bet on PHP, but it
> > is nothing like that for
Hmmm. Manuel what's that you're smoking? Where can I get some?
M
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From: Manuel Lemos [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: 24 August 2001 20:30
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [PHP] The future of PHP
Hello,
Egan wrote:
>
> On Fri, 24 Aug 200
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>
>
>-Original Message-
>From: Rasmus Lerdorf [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2001 1:52 AM
>To: Manuel Lemos
>Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: Re: [PHP] The future of PHP
>
>
> > So, it is very
Good Morning(CST USA here :))
>
> PHP is represented at every important technical conference right alongside
> Perl and Python. When you hear someone talk about scripting languages,
> they will usually say Perl, Python and PHP. I don't see any problem with
> the current state of PHP "marketing"
hi
>rasmus: "PHP is not marketed the way Java and .NET is. There are no
>multi-billion
>dollar corporations behind PHP and asking us, and apparently me
>personally, to make that happen is unrealistic";
true, but who can afford java and .net? oracle..., certainly not the small
and medium size
As a small business owner (partner, actually), I can address this question
below:
"Manuel Lemos" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
[EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> AFAIK, it costs a lot more money to have any start and operate a
> e-commerce business than a telephone. What is th
smus Lerdorf [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2001 1:52 AM
To: Manuel Lemos
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [PHP] The future of PHP
> So, it is very hard to convince the anybody to bet all the farm in PHP.
> You may have the technical arguments, but is not enough, I'm
> So, it is very hard to convince the anybody to bet all the farm in PHP.
> You may have the technical arguments, but is not enough, I'm afraid.
>
> You in particular, may not need to convince others to bet on PHP, but it
> is nothing like that for most people that want to live from software
> dev
>PHP can be extremely sloppy or coded extremely modularly. I think it's
>a shame that
>most tutorials on PHP (and ASP, from what I've experienced) show
>comingling of code
>and HTML - far more than we ever do in day-to-day PHP work. People get the
>impression that that's the only way to do stuff
done is in fine tuning or developing new master functions...
to each thier own
Dave
>-Original Message-
>From: Jeff Lewis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>Sent: Friday, August 24, 2001 6:22 PM
>To: Dave; Michael Kimsal
>Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: RE: [PHP] The future of
Richard Lynch wrote:
>
> > >Do you really believe that? As far as I can recall, this recession
> > >started when a "mean judge" convicted Microsoft for anti-trust
> > >practices. That caused NASDAQ crash that scared people away from
> > >investing in tech company stocks.
>
> This is the most war
Hello,
Richard Lynch wrote:
>
> > Can small business live from e-commerce today?
>
> Define small.
> Define e-commerce.
>
> How about this one, doing *EXTREMELY* well selling CDs online:
>
> http://CDBaby.com/
>
> Of course, that has almost nothing to do with his choice of PHP (the
> languag
Hello,
Michael Kimsal wrote:
>
> I've asked for help on this before, and will ask again - I've got a
> framework up at
> phpshowcase.com which allows people to post their own project details about
> PHP deployments, large and small. A growing information store there
> would be one
> avenue to
Most of my stuff is mingled right with the HTML. Heh. I guess I haven't
advanced to the all-code-no-html formatting. :-)
Mainly it's like that because I work with a team of designers, They make the
shell of the site, I then have to fill in the code. I'm sure many of you
will say y'all do it the s
Hello,
Egan wrote:
>
> On Fri, 24 Aug 2001 16:30:04 -0300, Manuel Lemos <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
>
> >Can small business live from e-commerce today?
>
> What is the relevance of your question? Do businesses "live" from
> their telephone? Whether they do or not, they need it in either cas
> Can small business live from e-commerce today?
Define small.
Define e-commerce.
How about this one, doing *EXTREMELY* well selling CDs online:
http://CDBaby.com/
Of course, that has almost nothing to do with his choice of PHP (the
language he could understand the easiest) and everything to d
I would't say that. he says it's modular and easier to code in OOP.
Jeff
> -Original Message-
> From: Dave [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Friday, August 24, 2001 6:15 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Michael Kimsal
> Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject:
Jeff Lewis wrote:
>I actually had a talk with my boss today...
>
>We discussed different technologies and why we chose them. The reasons we
>chose Java/JSP/J2EE etc:
>
>1) Scalability (number 1 reason)
>2) Different projects like EJB etc
>
>I had been talking about PHP a lot and he says he lik
>
> Large corporations are like railroad steam locomotives whose era has
> ended. They may continue running for a while, but in time, many will
> disappear like the steam locomotive did.
hmm not according to Marx. ;p
Anyways,
back on topic, how to promote php and who is going to do it? Who i
>He also said he likes how Java is OOP and has great error handling.
sound more of a judgement on the staffs ability to program than the capability
of the language. A great language can have crappy error handling if the
designed doesn't program it in well.
Dave
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On Fri, 24 Aug 2001 16:25:08 -0400, Thomas Deliduka
([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
>Wait, you blame someone convicting microsoft for a recession? Give
>me a break. Things were on the way out before it started.
Was that the cause? Not really, there were many causes and that was
just one of them.
Was
Wait, you blame someone convicting microsoft for a recession? Give me a
break. Things were on the way out before it started.
Alan Greenspan was chasing the 'inflation' demon that didn't exist raising
interest rates when things were going great. It came back to bite him in the
arse with the collap
.
Jeff
> -Original Message-
> From: Michael Kimsal [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Friday, August 24, 2001 5:34 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> Subject: Re: [PHP] The future of PHP
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> Jeff Lewis wrote:
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> >I actually
> >Do you really believe that? As far as I can recall, this recession
> >started when a "mean judge" convicted Microsoft for anti-trust
> >practices. That caused NASDAQ crash that scared people away from
> >investing in tech company stocks.
This is the most warped view-point I have heard...
The
On Fri, 24 Aug 2001 20:54:33 +0100, "Sean C. McCarthy"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Also the effect that this downturn is going through all the chain, from
>transportation to food and goods. And BTW most companies that caused
>this were startups not really big companies. Much more information on
>
On Fri, 24 Aug 2001 14:40:47 -0500, "Navid Yar" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>Until Linux gets better at certain things, I think I have no choice but
>to stick with Windows for now (especially in the design area).
True enough, for now.
Steam locomotives were an impressive technology, deeply entre
On Vie 24 Ago 2001 16:50, Egan wrote:
> On Fri, 24 Aug 2001 16:30:04 -0300, Manuel Lemos <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> wrote:
> >Can small business live from e-commerce today?
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> What is the relevance of your question? Do businesses "live" from
> their telephone? Whether they do or not, they need it
Manuel Lemos wrote:
> Do you really believe that? As far as I can recall, this recession
> started when a "mean judge" convicted Microsoft for anti-trust
> practices. That caused NASDAQ crash that scared people away from
> investing in tech company stocks. Many Internet companies dried and
> wit
On Fri, 24 Aug 2001 16:30:04 -0300, Manuel Lemos <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>Can small business live from e-commerce today?
What is the relevance of your question? Do businesses "live" from
their telephone? Whether they do or not, they need it in either case.
>Do you really believe that? As
keep up the promotion of
PHP, you have some great ideas. I want it to grow as much as you do. Thanks
:)
-Original Message-
From: Manuel Lemos [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, August 24, 2001 12:57 PM
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Subject: Re: [PHP] The future of PHP
Hello,
Christopher C
Hello,
Egan wrote:
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> On Fri, 24 Aug 2001 15:34:04 -0300, Manuel Lemos <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> >> Many small businesses would like to do e-commerce, but can't afford
> >> expensive consultants, expensive hardware, and expensive software
> >> tools developed by huge corporations.
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> -Original Message-
> From: Egan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Friday, August 24, 2001 2:53 PM
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> Subject: Re: [PHP] The future of PHP
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> On Fri, 24 Aug 2001 15:34:04 -0300, Manuel Lemos <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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