While I don't want to tear down Manuel Lemos or some of the good points he's made, I think it would be helpful to hope that he's been to a PHP talk. Likewise, he makes several pointed views on why it is important to follow the outline he's set forth for a product to be successful. Some credence could be added to these arguments if it were backed by either a clear logical explanation, or some relevant reference to work experience and/or education. Right now, I think a lot of us are stabbing in the air trying to agree with everything you're saying. I think you fail to understand the phenomenal success PHP has had in the last 2-3 years. I see it in every aspect of reality. Netcraft shows booming charts, the #php efnet channel has sweltered from a few dozen people at most to over 165 as I write this email. The mailing lists are unmanageable they're so high traffic. I can walk into a job, suggest PHP, and not be met by a bunch of questioning "What the hell is 'PHP' looks". I can go to the bookstore and select from any one of probably 15 PHP books. I can go onto monster.com, pop in "PHP", and get a plethora of results--compared to none about 16 months ago. To me, PHP will always be the project I watched grow into a juggernaut in front of my eyes. I'm proud of Zeev, Andi, Rasmus, and the rest of the team and all they've accomplished. I frequently regret not being able to dedicate myself to the success of the project like they do. I do not know what you define as success, but surely this has got to be it. The best thing? The project has attained critical mass now. It's going to keep growing and growing and growing no matter how poor of a job you think everyone is doing. It may be able to grow a little faster if we do a dance and spend a million bucks, but its going to grow sooner or later either way. Just think, someday I'd like to think our children will be coding in PHP. Regards, Cristopher Daniluk President & CEO email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] direct: 330/530-2373 Digital Services Network, Inc Unleashing Your Potential voice: 800/845-4822 web: http://www.dsnet.net/ -----Original Message----- From: Rasmus Lerdorf [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2001 2:10 PM To: Manuel Lemos Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [PHP] The future of PHP > The talks that you give are for people that already know about PHP. No they aren't. As I said in my message, the seminar series I did were specifically for people who knew nothing about PHP and it was presented alongside other technologies. But yes, the people would have to have had some interest in web stuff or database stuff to have bothered to attend in the first place. -Rasmus -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To contact the list administrators, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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