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As a general rule, I distrust generated code in PHP, or in HTML. I virtually
never use Dreamweaver (or its evil twin, FronPage), as the code it generates
is rarely what I want at the quality level I want. Such code is designed for
the cut-and-paster.
On Apr 22, 2008, at 9:04 PM, revDAVE wrote:
First of all - I know this is an entirely subjective question, and I
know
there's no single approach to learning this technology. I'm just
looking for
a few hints from seasoned professionals basically whether Dreamweaver
verbose code (at least it
revDAVE wrote:
First of all - I know this is an entirely subjective question, and I know
there's no single approach to learning this technology. I'm just looking for
a few hints from seasoned professionals basically whether Dreamweaver
verbose code (at least it looks like that to me at this begin
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First of all - I know this is an entirely subjective question, and I know
there's no single approach to learning this technology. I'm just looking for
a few hints from seasoned professionals basically whether Dreamweaver
verbose code (at least it looks like that to me at this beginning point) is
al
Tony Marston wrote:
""Jay Blanchard"" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
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[snip]
You haven't answered the question. Where can this piece of wizardry be
downloaded so that it can be reviewed by your peers?
[/snip]
It is not available for download
So your claims canno
""Jay Blanchard"" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
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>> You haven't answered the question. Where can this piece of wizardry be
>> downloaded so that it can be reviewed by your peers?
[/snip]
> It is not available for download
So your claims cannot be substantiate
""Dan Joseph"" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
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> On Tue, Apr 22, 2008 at 1:40 PM, Tony Marston
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
>
>> You haven't answered the question. Where can this piece of wizardry be
>> downloaded so that it can be reviewed by your peers?
>>
>>
>>
>
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> Tony Marston wrote:
>> ""Jay Blanchard"" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
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But can you create a database table, then generate the PHP scripts
which
generate the
Malicious code can still be embedded in images. The vulnerabilities ISTR
are in Windows image handling libraries. I assume they've been fixed now
though because it was some time ago. But that doesn't mean to say more
won't be found.
Could you suggest me a good piece of code to check the PNG
[snip]
You haven't answered the question. Where can this piece of wizardry be
downloaded so that it can be reviewed by your peers?
[/snip]
It is not available for download but it has been reviewed by peers on
several project teams who have used it. It was developed specifically
for a company who
On Tue, Apr 22, 2008 at 1:40 PM, Tony Marston <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> You haven't answered the question. Where can this piece of wizardry be
> downloaded so that it can be reviewed by your peers?
>
>
>
>
I didn't originally want to get in the middle of a fist fight, but I've been
reading thi
Frameworks not only are great for piecing together an application quickly
with user management, content filtering, access control, etc..., there is
another HUGE advantage to using a framework.
If the framework you are using has a thriving community behind it, the
framework will constantly get bett
""Jay Blanchard"" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
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>>> Yes, and it doesn't take 5 minutes.
>> Then where can us mere mortals download this wonderful framework so that
>> we can all share in your wizardry?
[/snip]
> It is not a framework, it is a set of function
Tony Marston wrote:
""Jay Blanchard"" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
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But can you create a database table, then generate the PHP scripts which
generate the HTML and SQL which allow an online user to read, write,
update
and delete records from this table withou
[snip]
> Yes, and it doesn't take 5 minutes.
Then where can us mere mortals download this wonderful framework so that
we
can all share in your wizardry?
[/snip]
It is not a framework, it is a set of functions. But since we are in a
semantical discussion about frameworks then this re-usable code
> > But then, this debate comes up about once a month because people don't
> > know how to RTFA of this list.
> >
> > And I don't know about you, but I've written a BASH script to work with my
> > PHP script to work with an API to deal with relational and flat files and
> > mail interfaces that
On Tue, Apr 22, 2008 at 11:02 AM, paragasu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> imagine a cms, like drupal or joomla. you install the thing w/ the web
> > based installer then go through adding content via the web interface; u
> > can
> > do it :D
> >
> > -nathan
> >
>
> i am going to miss the fun doin
> imagine a cms, like drupal or joomla. you install the thing w/ the web
> based installer then go through adding content via the web interface; u
> can
> do it :D
>
> -nathan
>
i am going to miss the fun doing programming then.
As a comparison, framework is like a canned food. available anytime
You do need javascript to do this. Look into the "window.open()"
function to open your other window, and then something like
"self.close()" to close the login window.
--c
On Sun, Apr 20, 2008 at 2:45 PM, Richard Kurth
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I have my login.php file that when I access the lo
""Jay Blanchard"" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
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> [snip]
>> But can you create a database table, then generate the PHP scripts which
>> generate the HTML and SQL which allow an online user to read, write,
>> update
>> and delete records from this table without writin
[snip]
But can you create a database table, then generate the PHP scripts which
generate the HTML and SQL which allow an online user to read, write,
update
and delete records from this table without writing even a single line of
code? Can you do this with immediate access to a role based access
"Wolf" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
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>> >I had never heard this before. Silly me I thought the "real
>> > measure of a good framework" was how much of the monotony of coding
>> > was removed, how many problems solved, et cetera.
>> >
>> >So I guess the B
On Tue, Apr 22, 2008 at 11:54 AM, paragasu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >I can do this in 5 minutes without having to write a
> >single line of PHP, HTML or SQL. If you can't match this then you're not in
> >the same league.
> >-Tony Marston
>
> i can only think of copy & paste method if i were
On Tue, Apr 22, 2008 at 9:54 AM, paragasu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> i can only think of copy & paste method if i were required to write a PHP
> application
> without a single line of code even a simple "hello world!" application.
> i am really cannot be in the same league :( . well, i might ha
"Stut" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
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> Tony Marston wrote:
>> "Stut" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
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>>> Tony Marston wrote:
""Jay Blanchard"" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
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> [snip]
> If
>I can do this in 5 minutes without having to write a
>single line of PHP, HTML or SQL. If you can't match this then you're not in
>the same league.
>-Tony Marston
i can only think of copy & paste method if i were required to write a PHP
application
without a single line of code even a simple "hel
My 2 cents. I've found that people who buy into using frameworks think that
it will establish order in the code, and improve the chances of a successful
implimentation, and it sort of delivers on these two things most of the
time. It never occurs to them that it also adds a level of complexity to
> >I had never heard this before. Silly me I thought the "real
> > measure of a good framework" was how much of the monotony of coding
> > was removed, how many problems solved, et cetera.
> >
> >So I guess the BASh script I just whipped up a few seconds ago
> > could be classified as
On Tue, Apr 22, 2008 at 9:30 AM, Jay Blanchard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> This is not the only real measure of a good framework, it is just one of
> many. I wrote a tool a long time ago that does the table/form/query bit
> in well under 5 minutes with several permutations. A good framework is
>
Tony Marston wrote:
"Stut" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
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Tony Marston wrote:
""Jay Blanchard"" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
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[snip]
If you don't use a framework then obviously you are writing nothing but
mickey mouse programs, and wou
""Daniel Brown"" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
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> On Tue, Apr 22, 2008 at 11:18 AM, Tony Marston
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> [snip!]
>>
>> The real measure of a good framework is the length of time it takes to
>> create a new database table, then write the compon
[snip]
The real measure of a good framework is the length of time it takes to
create a new database table, then write the components to maintain the
contents of that table. I can do this in 5 minutes without having to
write a
single line of PHP, HTML or SQL. If you can't match this then you're n
On Tue, Apr 22, 2008 at 11:18 AM, Tony Marston
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
[snip!]
>
> The real measure of a good framework is the length of time it takes to
> create a new database table, then write the components to maintain the
> contents of that table. I can do this in 5 minutes without havin
"Stut" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
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> Tony Marston wrote:
>> ""Jay Blanchard"" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
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>>> [snip]
>>> If you don't use a framework then obviously you are writing nothing but
>>> mickey mouse programs, and would
On Tue, Apr 22, 2008 at 9:00 AM, Jay Blanchard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> [snip]
> > [snip]
> > If you don't use a framework then obviously you are writing nothing
> but
> > mickey mouse programs, and wouldn't stand a chance when it comes to
> > writing a proper application.
> >..If you thin
On 4/22/08, Jay Blanchard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> [snip]
> > [snip]
> > If you don't use a framework then obviously you are writing nothing
> but
> > mickey mouse programs, and wouldn't stand a chance when it comes to
> > writing a proper application.
> >..If you think you can achieve th
[snip]
> [snip]
> If you don't use a framework then obviously you are writing nothing
but
> mickey mouse programs, and wouldn't stand a chance when it comes to
> writing a proper application.
>..If you think you can achieve the same
> level of productivity WITHOUT a framework then you are livin
> Try looking in my signature at http://www.radicore.org
wow! i read your personal website and have it on my bookmark list. i salute
you =)
On Apr 22, 2008, at 10:24 AM, Sancar Saran wrote:
Hello there,
Is anyone looking jQuery recently ?. Thas what I call framework...
You are really doing tons of things with much less code.
And jQuery was javaScript thingy and in php world nothing was
comperable.
My toughts about php frame
Hi,
I am a newbee in Linux and php. My fellow team members left me a system and
I am trying to maintain it.
The system is sending sudo messages from php in order to run shell script.
Up to last Monday everything with these calls was ok however the system is
failing from last week and on. The inter
Tony Marston wrote:
""Jay Blanchard"" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[snip]
If you don't use a framework then obviously you are writing nothing but
mickey mouse programs, and wouldn't stand a chance when it comes to
writing a proper application.
..If you think yo
> All those frameworks claim their way was perfect for making love
good joke sancar. i do not see any connection between framework and making
love.
if making love what you looking for. Porn might be a good answer for you.
> And I say, I'm 34 years old, and I got enough knowladge to how to make
lov
Hello there,
Is anyone looking jQuery recently ?. Thas what I call framework...
You are really doing tons of things with much less code.
And jQuery was javaScript thingy and in php world nothing was comperable.
My toughts about php frame work was;
All those frameworks claim their way was perfe
>I'm guessing, since you quoted os-commerce and phpBB, you don't know
>shit code when you see it. Just because it's popular doesn't mean the
>code is good. Have you ever tried to modify either of these? What a
>mess.
honestly, i don't and not really interested to dig inside thus code. but i
guess,
""Jay Blanchard"" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
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> [snip]
> If you don't use a framework then obviously you are writing nothing but
> mickey mouse programs, and wouldn't stand a chance when it comes to
> writing a proper application.
>..If you think you can achiev
"paragasu" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
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>> If you don't use a framework then obviously you are writing nothing but
>> mickey mouse programs, and wouldn't stand a chance when it comes to
>> writing
>> a proper application. For example, I have just completed an ERP
>>
On Mon, Apr 21, 2008 at 9:02 PM, Bastien Koert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Guys,
>
> I switched to gmail since I was having so many issues getting my emails thru
> the spam filter thanks to M$ adding ads to the bottom of the message. To
> make it even better, the unsubcribe confirmation email i
[snip]
If you don't use a framework then obviously you are writing nothing but
mickey mouse programs, and wouldn't stand a chance when it comes to
writing
a proper application. ..If you think you can achieve the same
level of productivity WITHOUT a framework then you are living in cloud
cuc
On Tue, 2008-04-22 at 21:25 +0800, paragasu wrote:
> > If you don't use a framework then obviously you are writing nothing but
> > mickey mouse programs, and wouldn't stand a chance when it comes to
> > writing
> > a proper application. For example, I have just completed an ERP
> > application
> >
On Tue, Apr 22, 2008 at 5:25 AM, paragasu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> honestly, i never used any framework to do my coding.
> i look into few popular framework like cakePHP and codeIgiter.
> I did learn the tutorial but still decide whether to use it on my next
> project.
>
[snip!]
>
> i just
At 9:06 PM +0800 4/22/08, Kinch Zhang wrote:
On 4/22/08, Tony Marston <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> If you don't use a framework then obviously you are writing nothing but
> mickey mouse programs, and wouldn't stand a chance when it comes to
writing
> a proper application.
I agree , you
On Apr 21, 2008, at 1:46 PM, Jason Pruim wrote:
On Apr 21, 2008, at 11:49 AM, Philip Thompson wrote:
On Apr 21, 2008, at 8:03 AM, Jason Pruim wrote:
Hi Everyone,
Last week you all helped me with the code to pull the database
field names directly from the database rather then being hardcode
> If you don't use a framework then obviously you are writing nothing but
> mickey mouse programs, and wouldn't stand a chance when it comes to
> writing
> a proper application. For example, I have just completed an ERP
> application
> which contains 130 database tables, 230 relationships and 1000
On Tue, 2008-04-22 at 21:06 +0800, Kinch Zhang wrote:
> On 4/22/08, Tony Marston <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > If you don't use a framework then obviously you are writing nothing but
> > mickey mouse programs, and wouldn't stand a chance when it comes to
> > writing
> > a proper application.
>
On Tue, Apr 22, 2008 at 9:01 AM, Tony Marston
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> If you don't use a framework then obviously you are writing nothing but
> mickey mouse programs, and wouldn't stand a chance when it comes to writing
> a proper application. For example, I have just completed an ERP applic
Hello Everyone.
I'm trying to use xml structure my pages. My problem was when I was embeding
html into xml documents.
adding resolves problem for reading. And if I
serialize any php array contains html code int xml problems repeating agin.
So ?
I'm asking is there any way to mark some xml n
On 4/22/08, Tony Marston <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> If you don't use a framework then obviously you are writing nothing but
> mickey mouse programs, and wouldn't stand a chance when it comes to
> writing
> a proper application.
I agree , you couldn't avoid using a framework unless you're wri
If you don't use a framework then obviously you are writing nothing but
mickey mouse programs, and wouldn't stand a chance when it comes to writing
a proper application. For example, I have just completed an ERP application
which contains 130 database tables, 230 relationships and 1000 transacti
On Tue, 2008-04-22 at 20:49 +0800, paragasu wrote:
> > You get two kinds of framework in PHP IMHO - the Glue frameworks (like
> > Chisimba, CakePHP etc) and the component frameworks (like PEAR, Zend
> > Framework etc).
> >
>
> personally i prefer to call "component framework" as "code library" =)
On Tue, 2008-04-22 at 14:41 +0200, Paul Scott wrote:
> On Tue, 2008-04-22 at 13:34 +0100, Richard Heyes wrote:
> > Absolutely. Personally I use a lot of disparate libraries, a lot of them
> > from PEAR. Doing this I've never found the need or the inclination to
> > use a "framework".
> >
>
> B
> You get two kinds of framework in PHP IMHO - the Glue frameworks (like
> Chisimba, CakePHP etc) and the component frameworks (like PEAR, Zend
> Framework etc).
>
personally i prefer to call "component framework" as "code library" =)
On Tue, 2008-04-22 at 13:34 +0100, Richard Heyes wrote:
> Absolutely. Personally I use a lot of disparate libraries, a lot of them
> from PEAR. Doing this I've never found the need or the inclination to
> use a "framework".
>
But that is kind of a framework!
You get two kinds of framework in
i just wondering whether i am the only one thinking this way.
anyone out there still doing php without using framework?
Absolutely. Personally I use a lot of disparate libraries, a lot of them
from PEAR. Doing this I've never found the need or the inclination to
use a "framework".
--
Richard
At 5:25 PM +0800 4/22/08, paragasu wrote:
i just wondering whether i am the only one thinking this way.
anyone out there still doing php without using framework?
I don't use a framework either. However, I do have a collection of
routines (many stolen from Rob, David et al on this list) that I
Robert Cummings wrote:
i just wondering whether i am the only one thinking this way.
anyone out there still doing php without using framework?
There's plenty of people out there who don't believe in frameworks.
Nothing wrong with that-- to each their own. Only thing I would ask you
is whether y
> http://ambiguous.dnsalias.net/
what a nice collection you have. i also have some of this files on my
server.
i don't know how the files end up on my web page directory. That time i am
using a shared
server with 300+ website hosted on the same host. i do not have ssh or
telnet access
(ftp and
> My clients benefit downstream whenever I add to my framework. A problem
> solved two years ago is a problem still solved today, and I don't need
> to copy and paste into their project and thus maintain multiple versions
> of the same solution.
i am quite new in php. i only spent about 3 year pl
For all of you with an upload/access page to your site that is
world-viewable I have made available copies of scripts that kiddies have
tried to use to take over my own server. As my upload page has yet to
be broken nor my site taken over, I wanted to share them with everyone
as a way to learn
Hi Everybody,
I am a newbee in Linux and php. My fellow team members left me a system and
I am trying to maintain it.
The system is sending sudo messages from php in order to run shell script.
Up to last Monday everything with these calls was ok however the system is
failing from last week and on
On Tue, 2008-04-22 at 17:25 +0800, paragasu wrote:
> honestly, i never used any framework to do my coding.
> i look into few popular framework like cakePHP and codeIgiter.
> I did learn the tutorial but still decide whether to use it on my next
> project.
>
> the thing is, i already develop few w
Umm hell yes?
I don't use frameworks, its an awsome thing, but I don't like them.
But if I'm not using any framework at all, the least I do is writing the
application object-oriented'ly.
Regards,
Nitsan
On 22/04/2008, paragasu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> honestly, i never used any framework to
honestly, i never used any framework to do my coding.
i look into few popular framework like cakePHP and codeIgiter.
I did learn the tutorial but still decide whether to use it on my next
project.
the thing is, i already develop few working library. no matter how hard i
look into it. i always find
On Tue, 2008-04-22 at 07:55 +0200, Alain Roger wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Till now, i'm used to have a php file (for each language) to store all text
> labels for my international application.
> i tried with Ajax to improve it but it seems not so flexible at it promised.
> my purpose was to limit the trans
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